Guest guest Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 The country was never in danger from Sadam, but people believed that, and so supported the war. So that false belief was useful to Bush, even when the danger didn't exist. In the same way, the I'm is a rallying call when there is a serious threat. And momentarily even the brain of a jnani would feel that sense of " I. " >>>> You don't establish that a sense of " I " is of value here. You just say that it may appear momentarily for a jnani. That doesn't mean it is of value. And that a false belief was useful to Bush only is an example of the false being useful to someone in an illusory context. But useful in an illusory context does not mean it is really useful. A sense of " I " is never of value and never serves a useful purpose in any real sense. Bill Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie4 wrote: > > P: Illusion is part of nature, it's here to > > stay, and realization or not it must be deal with. > > >>> > > B: I heartily disagree. > > Illusion is just that, illusion. It is a mis-taking of > > what is. It serves no real value. > > > > > > P: Ha, ha! " I heartily disagree " is illusion, > > It is the sense of " I Am " returning. > > B: You seem to believe that use of the pronoun 'I' > is evidence of belief in " I am " . > > P: No, I think disagreeing HEARTILY could be > a momentary flair up of that stance, not > as a belief, but as defense mechanism. > > > B: The point of discussion was the utility of > the illusory sense of " I am " . > > You said there is a utility. > I said there is not. > > P: The " I am " is a belief surrounded by > very strong satellite feelings. A belief > exists as an idea, and as brain transactions > regardless whether the object of the belief > is real or not. Ghosts may no haunt your > house, but if you believe they do, any > strange sound or shadow could bring fear > because the belief is real. > > The country was never in danger from Sadam, > but people believed that, and so supported > the war. So that false belief was useful to > Bush, even when the danger didn't exist. In > the same way, the I'm is a rallying call when > there is a serious threat. And momentarily > even the brain of a jnani would feel that > sense of " I. " > > Many people who don't believe in God pray in > times of crisis. So beliefs are useful, even > when false as a rallying cry, and the " I " is > that. All illusions have a substratum of > fact. A mirage may not be water, but is an > atmospheric phenomenon. > > B: Can we discuss this in earnest, or do you want > to end it with a jest? > > P: I just did! ) > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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