Guest guest Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 2/23/2006 2:50:09 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > " billrishel " <illusyn > The end of " what is going on " (((Re: Frank talk / mind at > rest > > i think i wrote it as an " understanding " of oneSelf.....an > understanding of the " whole " .....means, of the wholeness of > oneSelf.... > > then....the mind can be at rest.....at " free will " ...... > > >>>> > if it is about the " mind " understanding > something, then the mind is still going on... just > in a more lucid kind of way. The impression I get from > such a notion is that the helmsman is still steering, > but now with a clear sense of direction. > > I suggest that is not very important... such lucidity. > What is really far more interesting, is when the helmsman > has disappeared -- and unaccountably at that. > > So there is no one steering. And clarity is not an issue. > And why ever would that matter anyhow? > > Because " what's going on " itself doesn't really matter. > What is done, or not done, happens of its own. > There is no one at the wheel. > > So it cannot be about the " mind " understanding... yes? > Is that much clear? > > And so what kind of understanding could it be that > results in the helmsman disappearing? > > > I ask the question, but have no answer. > > If the fruit ripens and finally falls from the > tree... has the fruit *understood*? > > > Bill > > > If it is the fruit's lack of understanding that keeps it clinging to the tree, then yes, it has understood. Did the fruit cause that understanding to occur? No. Does it matter whether understanding has occurred? Yes. Phil ~~~~~~~~~ To whom does it matter whether understanding has occurred? Certainly not to the fruit. It has fallen from the tree and the ordeal is over. It has no need to care anymore. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 In a message dated 2/25/2006 1:52:45 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: " billrishel " <illusyn The end of " what is going on " (((Re: Frank talk / min Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 2/23/2006 2:50:09 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > " billrishel " <illusyn > The end of " what is going on " (((Re: Frank talk / mind at > rest > > i think i wrote it as an " understanding " of oneSelf.....an > understanding of the " whole " .....means, of the wholeness of > oneSelf.... > > then....the mind can be at rest.....at " free will " ...... > > >>>> > if it is about the " mind " understanding > something, then the mind is still going on... just > in a more lucid kind of way. The impression I get from > such a notion is that the helmsman is still steering, > but now with a clear sense of direction. > > I suggest that is not very important... such lucidity. > What is really far more interesting, is when the helmsman > has disappeared -- and unaccountably at that. > > So there is no one steering. And clarity is not an issue. > And why ever would that matter anyhow? > > Because " what's going on " itself doesn't really matter. > What is done, or not done, happens of its own. > There is no one at the wheel. > > So it cannot be about the " mind " understanding... yes? > Is that much clear? > > And so what kind of understanding could it be that > results in the helmsman disappearing? > > > I ask the question, but have no answer. > > If the fruit ripens and finally falls from the > tree... has the fruit *understood*? > > > Bill > > > If it is the fruit's lack of understanding that keeps it clinging to the tree, then yes, it has understood. Did the fruit cause that understanding to occur? No. Does it matter whether understanding has occurred? Yes. Phil ~~~~~~~~~ To whom does it matter whether understanding has occurred? Certainly not to the fruit. It has fallen from the tree and the ordeal is over. It has no need to care anymore. Bill It matters to all the other little fruits that are still 'hanging around' and Ooooh'ing and Ahhhh'ing over the one that finally fell. Heheee. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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