Guest guest Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 In a message dated 2/26/2006 7:39:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, lastrain writes: > Acceptance is the by-product of understanding....not the path leading to > it. > > > > toombaru L.E: As an individual resides in the here and now of life, there is no understanding and no acceptance. There is only the present moment that contains all that is. In the unrealized sense of things acceptance and understanding are simultaneous, no path, no leading, simultaneous. Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 In a message dated 2/26/2006 8:24:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, lastrain writes: > ..............even the moon disappears. > > toombaru L.E: And what moon are you looking at? I don't see anything. Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 In a message dated 2/26/2006 8:43:00 AM Pacific Standard Time, lastrain writes: > > > I don't see anything. > > There's that pesky little monkey again. > > > toombaru L.E: I don't see that pesky little monkey. What are you talking about? Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 In a message dated 2/26/2006 8:43:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, lastrain writes: > >In a message dated 2/26/2006 8:24:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, > >lastrain writes: > > > >>..............even the moon disappears. > >> > >>toombaru > > > > > >L.E: And what moon are you looking at? I don't see anything. > > > >Larry Epston Toombaru: " " L.E: Oh that moon! The one that isn't really there. Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 In a message dated 2/26/2006 8:50:30 AM Pacific Standard Time, lastrain writes: > I don't see anything. > >> > >>There's that pesky little monkey again. > >> > >> > >>toombaru > > > > > >L.E: I don't see that pesky little monkey. What are you talking about? > > > >Larry Epston > > > > > Toombaru: Remember........when you begin a sentence with > " I " ......................... > > L.E: Don't worry about it. It's just a verbal conceptual device to aide communication. Actually, it points to nothing at all. But that doesn't change a thing. Remember..... when you begin an email with " Toombaru. " ......... Who is this " Toombaru? " Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 In a message dated 2/26/2006 8:56:29 AM Pacific Standard Time, lastrain writes: > > .......and alas...........all information..........is misinformation. > L.E: Hey!! Your house is on fire! Your child was just hit by a truck. Your dog was shredded by a big fan. Your wife is doing your best friend. You're fired!! Get out of my place of business. Yeah, sure thing! Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 Acceptance is the by-product of understanding....not the path leading to it. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 2/26/2006 7:39:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, > lastrain writes: > > > Acceptance is the by-product of understanding....not the path leading to > > it. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > L.E: As an individual resides in the here and now of life, there is no > understanding and no acceptance. There is only the present moment that contains > all that is. > In the unrealized sense of things acceptance and understanding are > simultaneous, no path, no leading, simultaneous. > > Larry > > Concepts can ....if used properly........take you back to the edge.....but from there on in.....you are on your own..............even the moon disappears. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 > I don't see anything. There's that pesky little monkey again. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 2/26/2006 8:43:00 AM Pacific Standard Time, > lastrain writes: > > > > > > I don't see anything. > > > > There's that pesky little monkey again. > > > > > > toombaru > > > L.E: I don't see that pesky little monkey. What are you talking about? > > Larry Epston > > Remember........when you begin a sentence with " I " ......................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > In a message dated 2/26/2006 8:43:00 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > lastrain@ writes: > > > > > > > > > I don't see anything. > > > > > > There's that pesky little monkey again. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > L.E: I don't see that pesky little monkey. What are you talking about? > > > > Larry Epston > > > > > > > Remember........when you begin a sentence with " I " ......................... > you are tapping into your own personal storehouse of misinformation. ........and alas...........all information..........is misinformation. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 2/26/2006 8:50:30 AM Pacific Standard Time, > lastrain writes: > > > I don't see anything. > > >> > > >>There's that pesky little monkey again. > > >> > > >> > > >>toombaru > > > > > > > > >L.E: I don't see that pesky little monkey. What are you talking about? > > > > > >Larry Epston > > > > > > > > Toombaru: Remember........when you begin a sentence with > > " I " ......................... > > > > > L.E: Don't worry about it. It's just a verbal conceptual device to aide > communication. You still believe that you are communicating to someone outside of your self? > Actually, it points to nothing at all. Pointing requires an object...........even if that object is 'nothing at all'. There is no such thing as an empty box. But that doesn't change a thing. > > Remember..... when you begin an email with " Toombaru. " ......... > Who is this " Toombaru? " > In truth.............there is no toombaru......he is an invention of mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 2/26/2006 8:56:29 AM Pacific Standard Time, > lastrain writes: > > > > > .......and alas...........all information..........is misinformation. > > > > L.E: Hey!! Your house is on fire! Your child was just hit by a truck. Your > dog was shredded by a big fan. Your wife is doing your best friend. You're > fired!! Get out of my place of business. Yeah, sure thing! > > Larry Epston > > In 'my' dream last night.......some one had kidnapped my wife........she called on the phone......and was crying......... I was making weeping little sounds.....and my wife softly rubbed my back.......kissed my neck........... and whispered: " Wake up darlyn.........you're having a bad dream. " toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 - <epston <Nisargadatta > Sunday, February 26, 2006 12:00 PM Re: Re: Horses and Carts > In a message dated 2/26/2006 8:56:29 AM Pacific Standard Time, > lastrain writes: > >> >> .......and alas...........all information..........is misinformation. >> > > L.E: Hey!! Your house is on fire! Your child was just hit by a truck. > Your > dog was shredded by a big fan. Your wife is doing your best friend. > You're > fired!! Get out of my place of business. Yeah, sure thing! > > Larry Epston > > There is at least two types of information, the information necessary to be in the body and the information how to be free in/from/as the body. Non-duality. Not one, not two. eh? Ana ;-) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 In a message dated 2/26/2006 8:56:43 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: " toombaru2006 " <lastrain Horses and Carts Acceptance is the by-product of understanding....not the path leading to it. toombaru A mucho important point. Acceptance cannot be chosen. One accepts when one realizes it is all quite acceptable. This might require looking closely at one's judgments and struggles. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 2/26/2006 8:56:43 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain > Horses and Carts > Acceptance is the by-product of understanding....not the path leading to it. > > > > toombaru > > > > A mucho important point. Acceptance cannot be chosen. One accepts when one > realizes it is all quite acceptable. This might require looking closely at > one's judgments and struggles. > > Phil The attempt to look at one's judgments and struggles is merely a more subtle effort to move one's assumed reality into a more beneficial arena. The one attempting to look is nothing other then the judgments and psychological struggles that he is attempting to look at. One is not different from the judgments......the struggles........and the looking. air-u-go toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 In a message dated 2/27/2006 3:09:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: " toombaru2006 " <lastrain Re: Horses and Carts Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 2/26/2006 8:56:43 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain > Horses and Carts > Acceptance is the by-product of understanding....not the path leading to it. > > > > toombaru > > > > A mucho important point. Acceptance cannot be chosen. One accepts when one > realizes it is all quite acceptable. This might require looking closely at > one's judgments and struggles. > > Phil The attempt to look at one's judgments and struggles is merely a more subtle effort to move one's assumed reality into a more beneficial arena. The one attempting to look is nothing other then the judgments and psychological struggles that he is attempting to look at. One is not different from the judgments......the struggles........and the looking. air-u-go toombaru That which is attempting to look is not a set of ego dynamics. How can a judgment attempt to do anything? You would ascribe volitional reality to a psychological struggle? If not, what is it that is looking? There is only consciousness. Consciousness is looking for itself and will never find itself as long as it struggles with the illusion that it has created. The goal of acceptance is not to find Reality, but to stop playing games with illusion. One of those games is the denial that the illusion is being struggled with. 'You' are still 'here', You are, therefore, as deluded as the rest of us. Why would you choose to add to your delusion while you pretend to be dissolving it? Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 In a message dated 2/27/2006 10:14:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, ADHHUB writes: > Consciousness is looking for itself and will never find itself as long > as it struggles with the illusion that it has created. > L.E: Hello, hello! Here I am, over here. Consciousness has lost part of itself? And is struggling, and is too stupid to remember it created its own problem? And doesn't even know that what it is searching for doesn't exist? Through the centuries, the millenium, the aeons? Forever, searching, not finding, lost? Ridiculous, simply absurd! You are lost in your own myth. Consciousness has no problem, you have the problem, but you are too arrogant to admit it. Larry Epston www.epston.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 2/27/2006 3:09:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain > Re: Horses and Carts > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 2/26/2006 8:56:43 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > Horses and Carts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Acceptance is the by-product of understanding....not the path leading to > it. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > A mucho important point. Acceptance cannot be chosen. One accepts when one > > > realizes it is all quite acceptable. This might require looking closely at > > one's judgments and struggles. > > > > Phil > > > The attempt to look at one's judgments and struggles is merely a more subtle > effort to > move one's assumed reality into a more beneficial arena. > > > > The one attempting to look is nothing other then the judgments and > psychological > struggles that he is attempting to look at. > > > One is not different from the judgments......the struggles........and the > looking. > > > air-u-go > > > > > toombaru > > > > > That which is attempting to look is not a set of ego dynamics. How can a > judgment attempt to do anything? You would ascribe volitional reality to a > psychological struggle? If not, what is it that is looking? .. There is only > consciousness. Consciousness is looking for itself and will never find itself as long > as it struggles with the illusion that it has created. > > The goal of acceptance is not to find Reality, but to stop playing games > with illusion. It is illusion to think that there is some-thing that has a goal. Illusion is the only game in town. There is nothing beyond the illusion. One of those games is the denial that the illusion is being > struggled with. There are nightmares...the tension of illusory self.......struggling against the monsters of its own invention. This is suffering of which the Buddha speaks. The dream in which everything ........and nothing happens. Don't worry though........it's all self cleaning. > 'You' are still 'here', I am here as much as those people in your dream last night. You are, therefore, as deluded as the rest > of us. There is only one delusion. > Why would you choose to add to your delusion while you pretend to be > dissolving it? I choose nothing....and neither do you. There is simply no 'me' to have a delusion. The 'me' IS the delusion. Take these words............. or not...........I don't care.......they are meant for the speaker..........as he is the only one here. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 as this applies to faith is the by product of wisdom? where does wisdom come first and faith second. when the I Am reveals Itself or Himself can you recieve it through have intellect or must you have acceptance first. even in the idol philosophy, it is said the transmition of knowledge only takes place when you have the proper teacher and recipient ie guru and student. therefore acceptance must be first before knowledge is understood. accept therefore i recieve. if a person says let me give you this and the recipient does not put out thier hand then the tranaction doesn 't take place. so first you must have faith in the process of reciving knowlege from the right source before you can assimilate the knowledge. i think you make toombooboo, that is a mistake of the dead. lol if you accept then you may understand, but if you put up a wall resitence and say i do not accept logic in this case a little humour too, then perhaps you may not understand. school children learn because they accept their teachers as authoritative. That is the first criteria. doubt logic? peace/over Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > Acceptance is the by-product of understanding....not the path leading to it. > > > > toombaru > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 2/27/2006 10:14:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, > ADHHUB writes: > > > Consciousness is looking for itself and will never find itself as long > > as it struggles with the illusion that it has created. > > > > L.E: Hello, hello! Here I am, over here. Consciousness has lost part of > itself? > And is struggling, and is too stupid to remember it created its own problem? > And doesn't even know that what it is searching for doesn't exist? Through > the centuries, the millenium, the aeons? Forever, searching, not finding, lost? > Ridiculous, simply absurd! You are lost in your own myth. Consciousness has > no problem, you have the problem, but you are too arrogant to admit it. > > Larry Epston > www.epston.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:02:05 -0000 " toombaru2006 " <lastrain Re: Horses and Carts In a message dated 2/28/2006 12:16:23 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Take these words............. or not...........I don't care.......they are meant for the speaker..........as he is the only one here. toombaru Yes, I understand. It's the same with me. My words are only for me and rarely even seem to have any meaning for others. For this reason, I sometimes just say the words to myself and find there's really no need to even type them. If I do type them, it's probably because I'm still trying to understand what I mean. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 --- toombaru2006 <lastrain a écrit : Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 2/27/2006 10:14:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, > ADHHUB writes: > > > Consciousness is looking for itself and will never find itself as long > > as it struggles with the illusion that it has created. > > > > L.E: Hello, hello! Here I am, over here. Consciousness has lost part of > itself? > And is struggling, and is too stupid to remember it created its own problem? > And doesn't even know that what it is searching for doesn't exist? Through > the centuries, the millenium, the aeons? Forever, searching, not finding, lost? > Ridiculous, simply absurd! You are lost in your own myth. Consciousness has > no problem, you have the problem, but you are too arrogant to admit it. > > Larry Epston > www.epston.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > A carpenter......searches in the houses that he has built for his self. He goes from house to house....room to room.....he looks under the beds....in the closets Most searchers will die searching. He is what he is looking for....... A very few will apprehend this.........and fewer yet will speak of it. For them.........there is no one to whom they can speak. toombaru ........................................ Your littles sentences are insidiously making their way...I woke up in the middle of a kind of vision, hard to explain...but with a better apprehension that it is all a dream.. Patricia ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > > > --- toombaru2006 <lastrain a écrit : > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > In a message dated 2/27/2006 10:14:47 PM Pacific > Standard Time, > > ADHHUB@ writes: > > > > > Consciousness is looking for itself and will never > find itself as long > > > as it struggles with the illusion that it has > created. > > > > > > > L.E: Hello, hello! Here I am, over here. > Consciousness has lost part of > > itself? > > And is struggling, and is too stupid to remember it > created its own problem? > > And doesn't even know that what it is searching for > doesn't exist? Through > > the centuries, the millenium, the aeons? Forever, > searching, not finding, lost? > > Ridiculous, simply absurd! You are lost in your own > myth. Consciousness has > > no problem, you have the problem, but you are too > arrogant to admit it. > > > > Larry Epston > > www.epston.com > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > A carpenter......searches in the houses that he has > built for his self. > > He goes from house to house....room to room.....he > looks under the beds....in the closets > > Most searchers will die searching. > > He is what he is looking for....... > > A very few will apprehend this.........and fewer yet > will speak of it. > > For them.........there is no one to whom they can > speak. > > toombaru > ....................................... > > Your littles sentences are insidiously making their > way...I woke up in the middle of a kind of vision, > hard to explain...but with a better apprehension that > it is all a dream.. > Patricia > > It was that scone.....we never ate. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 In a message dated 2/28/2006 2:53:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 05:29:37 EST epston Re: Horses and Carts In a message dated 2/27/2006 10:14:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, ADHHUB writes: > Consciousness is looking for itself and will never find itself as long > as it struggles with the illusion that it has created. > L.E: Hello, hello! Here I am, over here. Consciousness has lost part of itself? And is struggling, and is too stupid to remember it created its own problem? And doesn't even know that what it is searching for doesn't exist? Through the centuries, the millenium, the aeons? Forever, searching, not finding, lost? Ridiculous, simply absurd! You are lost in your own myth. Consciousness has no problem, you have the problem, but you are too arrogant to admit it. Larry Epston Hehe. Okay, that's funny. Consciousness IS stupid. There's nothing more stupid than consciousness cause it doesn't even have a brain. The fun thing about that there is that, until consciousness identifies with it's own created vehicle of perception, which does have the ability to think, it can't sit around and contemplate whether it's a good idea to identify with it's own dream or not. Not only that, but once it does identify with the dream character, it still doesn't have the ability to choose not to. Consciousness cannot wake itself up, because it has no separate cognitive abilities with which to choose anything. The only thing that can contemplate it's fate, or even cares, is the dream character itself, which doesn't even exist. I love it! Consciousness, of course, doesn't struggle or search, it has no intentions or purpose. All that is part of the human experience only. However, you, as the human that you imagine yourself to be, are totally, utterly alone. There is nothing that knows or cares about your fate. But of course, you are that consciousness. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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