Inside/Outside the Self

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In a message dated 2/26/2006 9:37:08 AM Pacific Standard Time,

lastrain writes:

 

>

> You still believe that you are communicating to someone outside of your

> self?

 

L.E: First of all, I claim exception to the term " believe. " I'm not aware of

believing anything although you may claim that's impossible. You can still

say, " do you think... " or do you assume... " or is it possible...... There are

many ways to express ideas.

I had an experience a long time ago. Somone was chopping wood across a

valley, and I simultaneously heard the axe bang, and felt the sound resound,

move,

exist within me. In that sense the chopping sound of the axe was within me and

I was experiencing the " over there " in 'here, " inside myself.

So, you are both outside of me and inside of me I experience the outside

world inside of my sensory/brain/nervous system, but it is still existing

outside

of me as well. Now that's different than thinking.

In a sense, all of existence is one I AM, one living entity, and in that

sense everything you are experiencing is me, I, what I am. So that, whatever is

inside you, is inside me, and in that sense you are not other than me, or self.

Again, I am, is just a word phrase that is useful, it has no independent

existence. It is just a sound like help! Or stop! Words exist only as sounds,

the substance of living things and life itself is not just a sound. Within the

realm or ordinary experience the substance of things is real and must be

related to as such. If you refuse, you may be run over by a truck, or starve to

death. Anyhow, on and on.

 

Larry Epston

www.epston.com

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , epston wrote:

>

> In a message dated 2/26/2006 9:37:08 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> lastrain writes:

>

> >

> > You still believe that you are communicating to someone outside of your

> > self?

>

> L.E: First of all, I claim exception to the term " believe. " I'm not aware of

> believing anything although you may claim that's impossible.

 

 

'You " ....the sense of self......is composed solely of beliefs.

 

 

 

You can still

> say, " do you think... " or do you assume... " or is it possible...... There are

> many ways to express ideas.

 

 

 

Conceptual thought is the 'problem' not the way out.

 

 

> I had an experience a long time ago. Somone was chopping wood across a

> valley, and I simultaneously heard the axe bang, and felt the sound resound,

move,

> exist within me.

 

 

The whole world is within.

 

 

 

In that sense the chopping sound of the axe was within me and

> I was experiencing the " over there " in 'here, " inside myself.

 

 

 

 

 

Suzanne Segal stepped off the buss into her self.

 

 

 

 

 

> So, you are both outside of me and inside of me I experience the outside

> world inside of my sensory/brain/nervous system, but it is still existing

outside

> of me as well. Now that's different than thinking.

 

 

 

 

 

Yes......that is why you are having trouble putting it in a conceptual context.

 

There is an inverse ratio between one's understanding and one's ability to

express and

share it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> In a sense, all of existence is one I AM, one living entity, and in that

> sense everything you are experiencing is me, I, what I am.

 

 

Yes.

 

 

So that, whatever is

> inside you, is inside me, and in that sense you are not other than me, or

self.

> Again, I am, is just a word phrase that is useful, it has no independent

> existence. It is just a sound like help! Or stop! Words exist only as

sounds,

> the substance of living things and life itself is not just a sound. Within

the

> realm or ordinary experience the substance of things is real and must be

> related to as such.

 

 

No.

 

 

 

 

 

If you refuse, you may be run over by a truck, or starve to

> death. Anyhow, on and on.

 

 

Your fate is not.........never was...........never could be...........in your

own hands......

 

You got no hands.

 

 

(bumper sticker)

 

 

 

I know that I say 'bumper sticker' maybe too much.............

 

so in the future I will just abbreviate it to (BS).

 

toombaru