Guest guest Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 Nisargadatta , annaruiz wrote: > > > There are a lot in this message, but one thing that comes to my sense is: > > > > " > My biggest sense of effort had been to change the > >> world and reach to poeple. " > > > > The outside world is immense, and it cannot be changed! It can only > > happen. However, the moment the world within is realized, the outter > > world will follow. > > > > Good luck with reaching to others with this effort-less-ness. Make sure > > that one knows who those 'others' are! > > > > Changing the outside world is like trying to reshape an ornament made of > > gold. In the end, that ornament has to be melt down to re-shape a new > > one. > > > > ~no-me~ > > > > billrishel <illusyn wrote: > > > Thank-you Bill and Phil, all was helpful, in deepening > >> an age long sensibilitie about effortlessness. > >> After reading the Krishnamurti post I was thinking > >> that the kind of effortlesness he describes : it is so > >> revolutionary, you cannot talk about that to just > >> anybody. > >> He basically denies the sense of progress, the > >> " getting better " of our psychologicall reality. > >> It isn`t about getting better at all. > >> It is about stopping one`s own expension...... > >> making space....... > >> and as there is no empty space, > >> a sense of otherness starts prevailing. > >> My biggest sense of effort had been to change the > >> world and reach to poeple. I`ve changed on that > >> subject. the deep alchemy that occurs when one is > >> truly letting go with attention, without expectations > >> of change, is bound to diffuse itself. > >> I feel I am walking on a razor`s blade sometimes. > >> Greetings, > >> Patricia > > > > You know Patricia, you're the champ here in my view. > > Because you put your heart on the line like none other > > here. Deep Bow. > > > > Re: > >> the deep alchemy that occurs when one is > >> truly letting go with attention, without expectations > >> of change, is bound to diffuse itself. > > I was sensing that " deep alchemy " in what you > > had written earlier. It doesn't matter what one's > > so-called " mind " is thinking once that alchemy kicks > > in. > > > > Re: > >> I feel I am walking on a razor`s blade sometimes. > > > > Sharp like a razor's edge is the path, > > The sages say, difficult to traverse. > > > > --- Death Instructing Nachiketa in the > > Katha (Word) Upanishad > > > > Re: > >> [Krishnamurti] basically denies the sense of progress, the > >> " getting better " of our psychologicall reality. > > > > That is key, in my view. > > > > The notion that one's life will improve through > > the spiritual path is what I like to call the > > " New Age Fallacy " . > > > > Nisargadatta emphasizes honesty, as when he says: > > > > M: Whatever name you give it: will, or steady purpose, or > > onepointedness of the mind, you come back to earnestness, > > sincerity, honesty. When you are in dead earnest, you > > bend every incident, every second of your life to your > > purpose. You do not waste time and energy on other > > things. You are totally dedicated, call it will, or love, > > or plain honesty. > > > > Just plain honesty. > > If there is complete honesty there cannot be any concern > > about outcome, yes? > > > > > > Bill > > > > I'm replying here to Bill, as I'm probably off on thread, > > Honesty is just plain THIS, and ONLY THIS. > > and a little Moody Blues from Days of Future Passed: > > Morning Glory > > Cold-hearted orb that rules the night > Removes the colours from our sight, > Red is grey and yellow white > But we decide which is right > And which is an illusion. > Pinprick holes in a colourless sky > Let insipid figures of light pass by. > The mighty light of ten thousand suns > Challenges infinity, and is soon gone. > > Night-time: to some, a brief interlude, > To others the fear of solitude. > Brave Helios, wake up your steeds! > Brings the warmth the countryside needs. > > > Only Love raises the Vibration, > Ana Nice to read that bit of Moody Blues. Thanks. Honest, THIS, Love... indistinct, shining bright this moment's light Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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