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Nisargadatta , annaruiz wrote:

>

> > There are a lot in this message, but one thing that comes to my

sense is:

> >

> > " > My biggest sense of effort had been to change the

> >> world and reach to poeple. "

> >

> > The outside world is immense, and it cannot be changed! It can only

> > happen. However, the moment the world within is realized, the outter

> > world will follow.

> >

> > Good luck with reaching to others with this effort-less-ness.

Make sure

> > that one knows who those 'others' are!

> >

> > Changing the outside world is like trying to reshape an ornament

made of

> > gold. In the end, that ornament has to be melt down to re-shape a new

> > one.

> >

> > ~no-me~

> >

> > billrishel <illusyn wrote:

> > > Thank-you Bill and Phil, all was helpful, in deepening

> >> an age long sensibilitie about effortlessness.

> >> After reading the Krishnamurti post I was thinking

> >> that the kind of effortlesness he describes : it is so

> >> revolutionary, you cannot talk about that to just

> >> anybody.

> >> He basically denies the sense of progress, the

> >> " getting better " of our psychologicall reality.

> >> It isn`t about getting better at all.

> >> It is about stopping one`s own expension......

> >> making space.......

> >> and as there is no empty space,

> >> a sense of otherness starts prevailing.

> >> My biggest sense of effort had been to change the

> >> world and reach to poeple. I`ve changed on that

> >> subject. the deep alchemy that occurs when one is

> >> truly letting go with attention, without expectations

> >> of change, is bound to diffuse itself.

> >> I feel I am walking on a razor`s blade sometimes.

> >> Greetings,

> >> Patricia

> >

> > You know Patricia, you're the champ here in my view.

> > Because you put your heart on the line like none other

> > here. Deep Bow.

> >

> > Re:

> >> the deep alchemy that occurs when one is

> >> truly letting go with attention, without expectations

> >> of change, is bound to diffuse itself.

> > I was sensing that " deep alchemy " in what you

> > had written earlier. It doesn't matter what one's

> > so-called " mind " is thinking once that alchemy kicks

> > in.

> >

> > Re:

> >> I feel I am walking on a razor`s blade sometimes.

> >

> > Sharp like a razor's edge is the path,

> > The sages say, difficult to traverse.

> >

> > --- Death Instructing Nachiketa in the

> > Katha (Word) Upanishad

> >

> > Re:

> >> [Krishnamurti] basically denies the sense of progress, the

> >> " getting better " of our psychologicall reality.

> >

> > That is key, in my view.

> >

> > The notion that one's life will improve through

> > the spiritual path is what I like to call the

> > " New Age Fallacy " .

> >

> > Nisargadatta emphasizes honesty, as when he says:

> >

> > M: Whatever name you give it: will, or steady purpose, or

> > onepointedness of the mind, you come back to earnestness,

> > sincerity, honesty. When you are in dead earnest, you

> > bend every incident, every second of your life to your

> > purpose. You do not waste time and energy on other

> > things. You are totally dedicated, call it will, or love,

> > or plain honesty.

> >

> > Just plain honesty.

> > If there is complete honesty there cannot be any concern

> > about outcome, yes?

> >

> >

> > Bill

>

>

>

> I'm replying here to Bill, as I'm probably off on thread,

>

> Honesty is just plain THIS, and ONLY THIS.

>

> and a little Moody Blues from Days of Future Passed:

>

> Morning Glory

>

> Cold-hearted orb that rules the night

> Removes the colours from our sight,

> Red is grey and yellow white

> But we decide which is right

> And which is an illusion.

> Pinprick holes in a colourless sky

> Let insipid figures of light pass by.

> The mighty light of ten thousand suns

> Challenges infinity, and is soon gone.

>

> Night-time: to some, a brief interlude,

> To others the fear of solitude.

> Brave Helios, wake up your steeds!

> Brings the warmth the countryside needs.

>

>

> Only Love raises the Vibration,

> Ana

 

Nice to read that bit of Moody Blues. Thanks.

 

Honest, THIS, Love... indistinct,

shining bright

this moment's light

 

 

Bill

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