Where is this within ((((Is There an Inside, an Outside?

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote:

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> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

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> > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@>

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> > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 "

<lastrain@>

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> > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel "

<illusyn@>

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> > > > > > toombaru

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> > > > > > > > The whole world is within.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > L.E: Where is this ' " within' " you write about? When

> > there is an

> > > > > > inside, is

> > > > > > > > there also an outside? Where is this outside that is

> not " the

> > > > > > whole world? "

> > > > > > > > Where reside those who do not agree, are they inside

or

> > outside?

> > > > > > > > Word games. Just sounds in the air. Hoots, hollars

and

> > whistles.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Larry Epston

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Very good question Larry.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Did you ever get an answer?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bill

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> > > > >

> > > > > This concept cannot be approached directly.

> > > > >

> > > > > Any intellectualization occurs from within ....and arises

> > > > from....the milieu of the identified

> > > > > entity....the illusion of self.....the occlusion,

> > > > >

> > > > > The self looks out and sees what appears to be a

> world.....when in

> > > > fact the perceived

> > > > > 'world' is merely the content of consciousness.

> > > > >

> > > > > The 'self' is also merely the content of

> consciousness.......looking

> > > > for consciousness itself.

> > > > >

> > > > > If one thinks of his dream last night......all of those

> > > > people......mountains....and animals

> > > > > appeared to be 'outside' of the dream hero.......and in a

> > > > way.....they were.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > .........but the whole drama swirls within the thought

> > > > stream.........it is all electro-chemical

> > > > > mnemonics...........nothing is really happening.

> > > > >

> > > > > 'You' can never find your self within your own dream.....and

> > > > yet........everything in your

> > > > > dream is you.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Concepts cannot capture this............Understanding can.

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> > > > >

> > > > > toombaru

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> > > > I'm afraid that I stop rather early on with:

> > > >

> > > > " Any intellectualization occurs from within ....and arises

> > > > from....the milieu of the identified entity....the illusion of

> > > > self.....the occlusion... "

> > > >

> > > > What " within " ?

> > > >

> > > > When inner/outer are indistinct there is no sense of

> > > > " within " .

> > > >

> > > > When there was once a " sense of within " and later no

> > > > such " sense " indicates that the former " sense of within "

> > > > was in reality a misapprehension.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Bill

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> > > Yes.....all conceptual perceptions are wrong.

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> > >

> > > toombaru

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> > " conceptual perceptions " is an interesting term.

> >

> > If I understand you it means a " structuring " of

> > perception. For example, if the person standing

> > before me is a salesman and I am thinking " this is

> > a salesman " as I observe/listen, then my perception

> > is structured by the concept " salesman " .

> >

> > Bill

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> ....i think Krishnamurti would sign this your description

> of " conceptual perceptions " ......

>

> it's the perception of meditating state of mind.....

>

> Marc

 

Ps: i mean, the conceptual perception is wrong, yes.....because the

real perception would be the meditating state of mind perception

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