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Dear Reader,

 

The teachings of Maharaj is the same of every other sage. But there is a

great mistake done by some followers or Diciples for example Ramesh Balsekar

- though his books are OK but not punching. On many occassion Mr.Ramesh

Balsekar with due respect to his ATMA, I learned that his teachings of

Advaita is purely based on Fatelism.

 

Everything is put on Fate/Destiny and this Destiny cannot be conquered.

Whereas great holy person and Avatar of Avatar Like Bhagwan Ramana Maharishi

used to tell visitors yes indeed its prarabhda karma that is preordained in

every jivatma. However one can conquer their destiny by looking inward.

 

So I totally disagree with Ramesh Balsekar teaching of Advaita. J

Krishnamurthi was in the begining writing good books on Advaita but at a

later stage he started to attach Advaita and none of his book got sold..

 

In the same way, Ramesh Balsekar he is slowly teaching people - that OSAMA

KILLED MANY INNOCENT PEOPLE because nothing is under his control and he has

no choice...But great saint always say that Senses are the gift of GOD to

everyone and using the sense in the right path leads to LOVE and

PEACE..Osama could have used the sense and made a decision not to kill

anyone...on that contrary he used the sense - the gift of god - for wrong

purpose and hence he has sowed his destiny..

 

When I ask this question to Balsekar - he said that on next birth he will

have to fulfill the karmic action but this will be to another body may be

called KARAMA and NOT OSAMA...so why worry..

 

MrBalsekar must understand that the teachings of Maharaj is that ATMA IS THE

SAME..SOUL IS the same..one can change his body or dress but the ATMA is the

same...

 

ANyone differ to my opinion.

 

Om Namo Narayana

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Nisargadatta , " Raj Rick " <rajrick707

wrote:

>

> Dear Reader,

>

> The teachings of Maharaj is the same of every other sage. But there

is a

> great mistake done by some followers or Diciples for example Ramesh

Balsekar

> - though his books are OK but not punching. On many occassion

Mr.Ramesh

> Balsekar with due respect to his ATMA, I learned that his teachings

of

> Advaita is purely based on Fatelism.

>

> Everything is put on Fate/Destiny and this Destiny cannot be

conquered.

> Whereas great holy person and Avatar of Avatar Like Bhagwan Ramana

Maharishi

> used to tell visitors yes indeed its prarabhda karma that is

preordained in

> every jivatma. However one can conquer their destiny by looking

inward.

>

> So I totally disagree with Ramesh Balsekar teaching of Advaita. J

> Krishnamurthi was in the begining writing good books on Advaita but

at a

> later stage he started to attach Advaita and none of his book got

sold..

>

> In the same way, Ramesh Balsekar he is slowly teaching people -

that OSAMA

> KILLED MANY INNOCENT PEOPLE because nothing is under his control

and he has

> no choice...But great saint always say that Senses are the gift of

GOD to

> everyone and using the sense in the right path leads to LOVE and

> PEACE..Osama could have used the sense and made a decision not to

kill

> anyone...on that contrary he used the sense - the gift of god - for

wrong

> purpose and hence he has sowed his destiny..

>

> When I ask this question to Balsekar - he said that on next birth

he will

> have to fulfill the karmic action but this will be to another body

may be

> called KARAMA and NOT OSAMA...so why worry..

>

> MrBalsekar must understand that the teachings of Maharaj is that

ATMA IS THE

> SAME..SOUL IS the same..one can change his body or dress but the

ATMA is the

> same...

>

> ANyone differ to my opinion.

>

> Om Namo Narayana

>

 

 

if it is just your opinion i have no desire to differ from it.

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Nisargadatta , " Raj Rick " <rajrick707

wrote:

>

> Dear Reader,

>

> The teachings of Maharaj is the same of every other sage. But there

is a

> great mistake done by some followers or Diciples for example Ramesh

Balsekar

> - though his books are OK but not punching. On many occassion

Mr.Ramesh

> Balsekar with due respect to his ATMA, I learned that his teachings

of

> Advaita is purely based on Fatelism.

>

> Everything is put on Fate/Destiny and this Destiny cannot be

conquered.

> Whereas great holy person and Avatar of Avatar Like Bhagwan Ramana

Maharishi

> used to tell visitors yes indeed its prarabhda karma that is

preordained in

> every jivatma. However one can conquer their destiny by looking

inward.

>

> So I totally disagree with Ramesh Balsekar teaching of Advaita. J

> Krishnamurthi was in the begining writing good books on Advaita but

at a

> later stage he started to attach Advaita and none of his book got

sold..

>

> In the same way, Ramesh Balsekar he is slowly teaching people -

that OSAMA

> KILLED MANY INNOCENT PEOPLE because nothing is under his control

and he has

> no choice...But great saint always say that Senses are the gift of

GOD to

> everyone and using the sense in the right path leads to LOVE and

> PEACE..Osama could have used the sense and made a decision not to

kill

> anyone...on that contrary he used the sense - the gift of god - for

wrong

> purpose and hence he has sowed his destiny..

>

> When I ask this question to Balsekar - he said that on next birth

he will

> have to fulfill the karmic action but this will be to another body

may be

> called KARAMA and NOT OSAMA...so why worry..

>

> MrBalsekar must understand that the teachings of Maharaj is that

ATMA IS THE

> SAME..SOUL IS the same..one can change his body or dress but the

ATMA is the

> same...

>

> ANyone differ to my opinion.

>

> Om Namo Narayana

 

Hello,

 

as long there is Karma running....means the fruits of the attachments

to the world....and mind so......there is no free choice

 

some build up Karma....for endless more time.....like the example you

talk about

 

some people think that they have everything " under control " .....but

the effect of this " misunderstanding " ....are the actions of people

like you mentionned......more or less famous egos

 

in reality....there is nothing existing which need to be " under

control " ......the misunderstanding of this....leads to non-sense

 

....in whatever forms....in some philosophies....and

concepts.....theories.....actions

 

i think that this your mentionned spiritual teacher wanted to speak

about this Karma law......which doesn't give people " free

choices " ......as long they live the attachement to body-mind-

intellect....and the identification with it

 

Marc

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What about you Raj Rick?

What is important is you here, not Ramesh nor

Krisnam. nor Niz..

Can you say with certainty that fate can be undone by

turning your attention inward??

That is what is interesting here..

and it is a dam good topic..

Patricia

--- Raj Rick <rajrick707 a écrit :

 

 

 

Dear Reader,

 

The teachings of Maharaj is the same of every other

sage. But there is a

great mistake done by some followers or Diciples for

example Ramesh Balsekar

- though his books are OK but not punching. On many

occassion Mr.Ramesh

Balsekar with due respect to his ATMA, I learned that

his teachings of

Advaita is purely based on Fatelism.

 

Everything is put on Fate/Destiny and this Destiny

cannot be conquered.

Whereas great holy person and Avatar of Avatar Like

Bhagwan Ramana Maharishi

used to tell visitors yes indeed its prarabhda karma

that is preordained in

every jivatma. However one can conquer their destiny

by looking inward.

 

So I totally disagree with Ramesh Balsekar teaching of

Advaita. J

Krishnamurthi was in the begining writing good books

on Advaita but at a

later stage he started to attach Advaita and none of

his book got sold..

 

In the same way, Ramesh Balsekar he is slowly teaching

people - that OSAMA

KILLED MANY INNOCENT PEOPLE because nothing is under

his control and he has

no choice...But great saint always say that Senses are

the gift of GOD to

everyone and using the sense in the right path leads

to LOVE and

PEACE..Osama could have used the sense and made a

decision not to kill

anyone...on that contrary he used the sense - the gift

of god - for wrong

purpose and hence he has sowed his destiny..

 

When I ask this question to Balsekar - he said that on

next birth he will

have to fulfill the karmic action but this will be to

another body may be

called KARAMA and NOT OSAMA...so why worry..

 

MrBalsekar must understand that the teachings of

Maharaj is that ATMA IS THE

SAME..SOUL IS the same..one can change his body or

dress but the ATMA is the

same...

 

ANyone differ to my opinion.

 

Om Namo Narayana

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote:

>

> What about you Raj Rick?

> What is important is you here, not Ramesh nor

> Krisnam. nor Niz..

> Can you say with certainty that fate can be undone by

> turning your attention inward??

> That is what is interesting here..

> and it is a dam good topic..

> Patricia

> --- Raj Rick <rajrick707 a écrit :

>

>

 

 

Indeed it is.

 

If I have a choice...I think that I will choose not to have karma.

 

toombaru

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--- toombaru2006 <lastrain a écrit :

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia

<gdtige wrote:

>

> What about you Raj Rick?

> What is important is you here, not Ramesh nor

> Krisnam. nor Niz..

> Can you say with certainty that fate can be undone

by

> turning your attention inward??

> That is what is interesting here..

> and it is a dam good topic..

> Patricia

> --- Raj Rick <rajrick707 a écrit :

>

>

................................................

 

Indeed it is.

 

If I have a choice...I think that I will choose not to

have karma.

 

toombaru

 

..................................................

 

Same thing..So do you have a choice Toomb??

Patricia

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote:

>

>

> --- toombaru2006 <lastrain a écrit :

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia

> <gdtige@> wrote:

> >

> > What about you Raj Rick?

> > What is important is you here, not Ramesh nor

> > Krisnam. nor Niz..

> > Can you say with certainty that fate can be undone

> by

> > turning your attention inward??

> > That is what is interesting here..

> > and it is a dam good topic..

> > Patricia

> > --- Raj Rick <rajrick707@> a écrit :

> >

> >

> ...............................................

>

> Indeed it is.

>

> If I have a choice...I think that I will choose not to

> have karma.

>

> toombaru

>

> .................................................

>

> Same thing..So do you have a choice Toomb??

> Patricia

>

>

>

 

 

Are you asking if there is isolated, distinct entity here (or there) that is

able to separate

individual events that occur within the mind flow...and manipulate them in a way

that can

benefit its self?

 

The answer is.........No.

 

 

toombaru

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--- toombaru2006 <lastrain a écrit :

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia

<gdtige wrote:

>

>

> --- toombaru2006 <lastrain a écrit :

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , OConnor

Patricia

> <gdtige@> wrote:

> >

> > What about you Raj Rick?

> > What is important is you here, not Ramesh nor

> > Krisnam. nor Niz..

> > Can you say with certainty that fate can be undone

> by

> > turning your attention inward??

> > That is what is interesting here..

> > and it is a dam good topic..

> > Patricia

> > --- Raj Rick <rajrick707@> a écrit :

> >

> >

> ...............................................

>

> Indeed it is.

>

> If I have a choice...I think that I will choose not

to

> have karma.

>

> toombaru

>

> .................................................

>

> Same thing..So do you have a choice Toomb??

> Patricia

>

>

>

 

 

Are you asking if there is isolated, distinct entity

here (or there) that is able to separate

individual events that occur within the mind

flow...and manipulate them in a way that can

benefit its self?

 

The answer is.........No.

 

 

toombaru

 

So you,.... lucky dog,... don`t have a karma!

Patricia

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote:

>

>

> --- toombaru2006 <lastrain a écrit :

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia

> <gdtige@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > --- toombaru2006 <lastrain@> a écrit :

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , OConnor

> Patricia

> > <gdtige@> wrote:

> > >

> > > What about you Raj Rick?

> > > What is important is you here, not Ramesh nor

> > > Krisnam. nor Niz..

> > > Can you say with certainty that fate can be undone

> > by

> > > turning your attention inward??

> > > That is what is interesting here..

> > > and it is a dam good topic..

> > > Patricia

> > > --- Raj Rick <rajrick707@> a écrit :

> > >

> > >

> > ...............................................

> >

> > Indeed it is.

> >

> > If I have a choice...I think that I will choose not

> to

> > have karma.

> >

> > toombaru

> >

> > .................................................

> >

> > Same thing..So do you have a choice Toomb??

> > Patricia

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> Are you asking if there is isolated, distinct entity

> here (or there) that is able to separate

> individual events that occur within the mind

> flow...and manipulate them in a way that can

> benefit its self?

>

> The answer is.........No.

>

>

> toombaru

>

> So you,.... lucky dog,... don`t have a karma!

> Patricia

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

Karmonic atrophy.

 

 

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--- toombaru2006 <lastrain a écrit :

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia

<gdtige wrote:

>

>

> --- toombaru2006 <lastrain a écrit :

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , OConnor

Patricia

> <gdtige@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > --- toombaru2006 <lastrain@> a écrit :

> >

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , OConnor

> Patricia

> > <gdtige@> wrote:

> > >

> > > What about you Raj Rick?

> > > What is important is you here, not Ramesh nor

> > > Krisnam. nor Niz..

> > > Can you say with certainty that fate can be

undone

> > by

> > > turning your attention inward??

> > > That is what is interesting here..

> > > and it is a dam good topic..

> > > Patricia

> > > --- Raj Rick <rajrick707@> a écrit :

> > >

> > >

> > ...............................................

> >

> > Indeed it is.

> >

> > If I have a choice...I think that I will choose

not

> to

> > have karma.

> >

> > toombaru

> >

> > .................................................

> >

> > Same thing..So do you have a choice Toomb??

> > Patricia

> >

> >

> >

> ..............................................

>

> Are you asking if there is isolated, distinct entity

> here (or there) that is able to separate

> individual events that occur within the mind

> flow...and manipulate them in a way that can

> benefit its self?

>

> The answer is.........No.

>

>

> toombaru

> ............................................

> So you,.... lucky dog,... don`t have a karma!

> Patricia

>

>

>

>

>

 

...............................................

 

Karmonic atrophy.

..................................................

Another stone?

if you want to be a fortress, I`ll be the water

surrounding you and slowly, gently, irresistibly

lapping at your foundations,

Let us see what happens,

Patricia

 

 

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The activity of worrying keeps you immobilized. " --

Wayne Dyer

 

 

The totality of your imaginary being is composed of

nothing but worries......but try not to

worry about that.

 

 

toombaru

 

That is lovely..LOL

Patricia

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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> Another stone?

> if you want to be a fortress, I`ll be the water

> surrounding you and slowly, gently, irresistibly

> lapping at your foundations,

> Let us see what happens,

> Patricia

>

>

> :-)

 

 

 

 

 

OK

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--- toombaru2006 <lastrain a écrit :

 

 

 

........................................

> Another stone?

> if you want to be a fortress, I`ll be the water

> surrounding you and slowly, gently, irresistibly

> lapping at your foundations,

> Let us see what happens,

> Patricia

>

>

> :-)

 

 

 

 

 

OK

 

too bad you left town, coffee when you get back. On

Friday?

P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 3/1/2006 3:27:17 AM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

Wed, 01 Mar 2006 06:41:21 +0000

" Raj Rick " <rajrick707

teachings of Maharaj

 

Dear Reader,

 

The teachings of Maharaj is the same of every other sage. But there is a

great mistake done by some followers or Diciples for example Ramesh Balsekar

- though his books are OK but not punching. On many occassion Mr.Ramesh

Balsekar with due respect to his ATMA, I learned that his teachings of

Advaita is purely based on Fatelism.

 

Everything is put on Fate/Destiny and this Destiny cannot be conquered.

Whereas great holy person and Avatar of Avatar Like Bhagwan Ramana Maharishi

used to tell visitors yes indeed its prarabhda karma that is preordained in

every jivatma. However one can conquer their destiny by looking inward.

 

So I totally disagree with Ramesh Balsekar teaching of Advaita. J

Krishnamurthi was in the begining writing good books on Advaita but at a

later stage he started to attach Advaita and none of his book got sold..

 

In the same way, Ramesh Balsekar he is slowly teaching people - that OSAMA

KILLED MANY INNOCENT PEOPLE because nothing is under his control and he has

no choice...But great saint always say that Senses are the gift of GOD to

everyone and using the sense in the right path leads to LOVE and

PEACE..Osama could have used the sense and made a decision not to kill

anyone...on that contrary he used the sense - the gift of god - for wrong

purpose and hence he has sowed his destiny..

 

When I ask this question to Balsekar - he said that on next birth he will

have to fulfill the karmic action but this will be to another body may be

called KARAMA and NOT OSAMA...so why worry..

 

MrBalsekar must understand that the teachings of Maharaj is that ATMA IS THE

SAME..SOUL IS the same..one can change his body or dress but the ATMA is the

same...

 

ANyone differ to my opinion.

 

Om Namo Narayana

 

 

 

Regarding fatalism: I agree that the path of negation has it's own

boundaries, though I also recognize the value in that focus is removed from

illusion

in hopes of Truth showing up.

Negation creates the paradox of negating that which is doing the negating.

The presence of a paradox reveals a limited understanding of reality.

It devalues/dismisses an aspect of divinity that we seek to know rather than

honoring it.

It negates the dualistic versions of love, joy and peace in the hopes of

becoming the nondual versions of those same things. This creates an internal

conflict in mind which results in struggle. This struggle must be eliminated but

cannot be negated.

 

Regarding the sowing of one's destiny: while this is true inasmuch as karmic

material seems to be a part of evolution over many lives, it's not clear to

me to whom this matters. Human identity is a flimsy collection of egoic

thoughts to begin with. What remains of that ego in rebirth is merely some

karmic

propensities. There is no memory or personal identity, and so who exactly is

it who gets reborn to experience this karma?

 

As far as anyone behaving in a way in which they are not behaving, how is

this possible? One is doing the best they can at all times, according to their

awareness. Believing that one can choose to do otherwise is the projection of

human judgment.

 

Phil

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 3/1/2006 3:27:17 AM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

Wed, 01 Mar 2006 09:58:40 -0000

" bigwaaba " <bigwaaba

Re: teachings of Maharaj

 

Nisargadatta , " Raj Rick " <rajrick707

wrote:

>

> Dear Reader,

>

> The teachings of Maharaj is the same of every other sage. But there

is a

> great mistake done by some followers or Diciples for example Ramesh

Balsekar

> - though his books are OK but not punching. On many occassion

Mr.Ramesh

> Balsekar with due respect to his ATMA, I learned that his teachings

of

> Advaita is purely based on Fatelism.

>

> Everything is put on Fate/Destiny and this Destiny cannot be

conquered.

> Whereas great holy person and Avatar of Avatar Like Bhagwan Ramana

Maharishi

> used to tell visitors yes indeed its prarabhda karma that is

preordained in

> every jivatma. However one can conquer their destiny by looking

inward.

>

> So I totally disagree with Ramesh Balsekar teaching of Advaita. J

> Krishnamurthi was in the begining writing good books on Advaita but

at a

> later stage he started to attach Advaita and none of his book got

sold..

>

> In the same way, Ramesh Balsekar he is slowly teaching people -

that OSAMA

> KILLED MANY INNOCENT PEOPLE because nothing is under his control

and he has

> no choice...But great saint always say that Senses are the gift of

GOD to

> everyone and using the sense in the right path leads to LOVE and

> PEACE..Osama could have used the sense and made a decision not to

kill

> anyone...on that contrary he used the sense - the gift of god - for

wrong

> purpose and hence he has sowed his destiny..

>

> When I ask this question to Balsekar - he said that on next birth

he will

> have to fulfill the karmic action but this will be to another body

may be

> called KARAMA and NOT OSAMA...so why worry..

>

> MrBalsekar must understand that the teachings of Maharaj is that

ATMA IS THE

> SAME..SOUL IS the same..one can change his body or dress but the

ATMA is the

> same...

>

> ANyone differ to my opinion.

>

> Om Namo Narayana

>

 

 

if it is just your opinion i have no desire to differ from it.

 

 

 

 

 

So, you only differ with irrefutable facts? Are you aware that's nonsense?

 

Phil

 

 

 

 

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> In a message dated 3/1/2006 3:27:17 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> Nisargadatta writes:

>

> Wed, 01 Mar 2006 09:58:40 -0000

> " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba

> Re: teachings of Maharaj

>

> Nisargadatta , " Raj Rick " <rajrick707@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Reader,

> >

> > The teachings of Maharaj is the same of every other sage. But

there

> is a

> > great mistake done by some followers or Diciples for example

Ramesh

> Balsekar

> > - though his books are OK but not punching. On many occassion

> Mr.Ramesh

> > Balsekar with due respect to his ATMA, I learned that his

teachings

> of

> > Advaita is purely based on Fatelism.

> >

> > Everything is put on Fate/Destiny and this Destiny cannot be

> conquered.

> > Whereas great holy person and Avatar of Avatar Like Bhagwan

Ramana

> Maharishi

> > used to tell visitors yes indeed its prarabhda karma that is

> preordained in

> > every jivatma. However one can conquer their destiny by looking

> inward.

> >

> > So I totally disagree with Ramesh Balsekar teaching of Advaita.

J

> > Krishnamurthi was in the begining writing good books on Advaita

but

> at a

> > later stage he started to attach Advaita and none of his book

got

> sold..

> >

> > In the same way, Ramesh Balsekar he is slowly teaching people -

> that OSAMA

> > KILLED MANY INNOCENT PEOPLE because nothing is under his control

> and he has

> > no choice...But great saint always say that Senses are the gift

of

> GOD to

> > everyone and using the sense in the right path leads to LOVE and

> > PEACE..Osama could have used the sense and made a decision not

to

> kill

> > anyone...on that contrary he used the sense - the gift of god -

for

> wrong

> > purpose and hence he has sowed his destiny..

> >

> > When I ask this question to Balsekar - he said that on next

birth

> he will

> > have to fulfill the karmic action but this will be to another

body

> may be

> > called KARAMA and NOT OSAMA...so why worry..

> >

> > MrBalsekar must understand that the teachings of Maharaj is that

> ATMA IS THE

> > SAME..SOUL IS the same..one can change his body or dress but the

> ATMA is the

> > same...

> >

> > ANyone differ to my opinion.

> >

> > Om Namo Narayana

> >

>

>

> if it is just your opinion i have no desire to differ from it.

>

>

>

>

>

> So, you only differ with irrefutable facts? Are you aware that's

nonsense?

>

> Phil

>

 

Phil, that was for Raj and it seems he has nothing to say about it,

thing that i consider very good.

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In a message dated 3/2/2006 1:54:31 AM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

Thu, 02 Mar 2006 09:32:25 -0000

" bigwaaba " <bigwaaba

Re: teachings of Maharaj

 

Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 3/1/2006 3:27:17 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> Nisargadatta writes:

>

> Wed, 01 Mar 2006 09:58:40 -0000

> " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba

> Re: teachings of Maharaj

>

> Nisargadatta , " Raj Rick " <rajrick707@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Reader,

> >

> > The teachings of Maharaj is the same of every other sage. But

there

> is a

> > great mistake done by some followers or Diciples for example

Ramesh

> Balsekar

> > - though his books are OK but not punching. On many occassion

> Mr.Ramesh

> > Balsekar with due respect to his ATMA, I learned that his

teachings

> of

> > Advaita is purely based on Fatelism.

> >

> > Everything is put on Fate/Destiny and this Destiny cannot be

> conquered.

> > Whereas great holy person and Avatar of Avatar Like Bhagwan

Ramana

> Maharishi

> > used to tell visitors yes indeed its prarabhda karma that is

> preordained in

> > every jivatma. However one can conquer their destiny by looking

> inward.

> >

> > So I totally disagree with Ramesh Balsekar teaching of Advaita.

J

> > Krishnamurthi was in the begining writing good books on Advaita

but

> at a

> > later stage he started to attach Advaita and none of his book

got

> sold..

> >

> > In the same way, Ramesh Balsekar he is slowly teaching people -

> that OSAMA

> > KILLED MANY INNOCENT PEOPLE because nothing is under his control

> and he has

> > no choice...But great saint always say that Senses are the gift

of

> GOD to

> > everyone and using the sense in the right path leads to LOVE and

> > PEACE..Osama could have used the sense and made a decision not

to

> kill

> > anyone...on that contrary he used the sense - the gift of god -

for

> wrong

> > purpose and hence he has sowed his destiny..

> >

> > When I ask this question to Balsekar - he said that on next

birth

> he will

> > have to fulfill the karmic action but this will be to another

body

> may be

> > called KARAMA and NOT OSAMA...so why worry..

> >

> > MrBalsekar must understand that the teachings of Maharaj is that

> ATMA IS THE

> > SAME..SOUL IS the same..one can change his body or dress but the

> ATMA is the

> > same...

> >

> > ANyone differ to my opinion.

> >

> > Om Namo Narayana

> >

>

>

> if it is just your opinion i have no desire to differ from it.

>

>

>

>

>

> So, you only differ with irrefutable facts? Are you aware that's

nonsense?

>

> Phil

>

 

Phil, that was for Raj and it seems he has nothing to say about it,

thing that i consider very good.

 

 

 

 

Ahh, I see.

 

Phil

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote:

>

>

> --- toombaru2006 <lastrain a écrit :

>

>

>

> .......................................

> > Another stone?

> > if you want to be a fortress, I`ll be the water

> > surrounding you and slowly, gently, irresistibly

> > lapping at your foundations,

> > Let us see what happens,

> > Patricia

> >

> >

> > :-)

>

>

>

>

>

> OK

>

> too bad you left town, coffee when you get back. On

> Friday?

> P

>

>

 

 

10 o'clock........Rainbow Bean.

 

Lemon Blueberry.

 

No jeans or caprice please.

 

:-)

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