teachings of Maharaj (no-me: karmas- circumstances, quotes)

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Nisargadatta , no-me <nomemxp wrote:

>

> circumstances -> thoughts (action in progress)

> thoughts -> actions (karma in progress)

> actions -> karmas (men in progress)

> karmas -> circumstances

> You -> attributes

>

> There's a saying...

>

> " Circumstances don't make a man, they reveal him. "

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Man is the shadow of circumstance.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

>

> " Karma shapes the circumstances: the attitudes are your own. Ultimately your

character

shapes your life and you alone can shape your character. " -- Maharaj, I AM THAT

 

 

 

Well there you go.........Even a great sage can miss the mark...and stumble in

the

conceptual conundrums.

 

He was spoke to the moment....to a particular 'individual' stuck within a

totally different

dream.

 

Don't ever go to your doctor and say something like:

 

" Give me some of what you prescribed to that fellow that was in here last year. "

 

 

 

>

> " It makes no sense to worry about things you have no control over because

there's

nothing you can do about them..

 

 

 

He's telling us not to worry about what we cannot control.

 

Do you see the irony here?

 

 

 

>.The activity of worrying keeps you immobilized. " -- Wayne Dyer

 

 

Your totality of your imaginary being is composed of nothing but

worries......but try not to

worry about that.

 

 

toombaru

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In a message dated 3/1/2006 10:31:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, Ni

sargadatta writes:

 

Wed, 01 Mar 2006 17:24:25 -0000

" toombaru2006 " <lastrain

Re: teachings of Maharaj (no-me: karmas->circumstances, quotes)

 

 

 

> " It makes no sense to worry about things you have no control over because

there's

nothing you can do about them..

 

 

 

He's telling us not to worry about what we cannot control.

 

Do you see the irony here?

 

 

 

Hehe. Yes, I do. Didn't notice it the first time.

It's the same irony of teaching that there is no volitional being, or that

teaching does not occur by communicating words, or that the teacher, himself,

is just a vehicle of perception, without volition.

 

Phil

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 3/1/2006 10:31:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, Ni

> sargadatta writes:

>

> Wed, 01 Mar 2006 17:24:25 -0000

> " toombaru2006 " <lastrain

> Re: teachings of Maharaj (no-me: karmas->circumstances,

quotes)

>

>

>

> > " It makes no sense to worry about things you have no control

over because

> there's

> nothing you can do about them..

>

>

>

> He's telling us not to worry about what we cannot control.

>

> Do you see the irony here?

>

>

>

> Hehe. Yes, I do. Didn't notice it the first time.

> It's the same irony of teaching that there is no volitional being,

or that

> teaching does not occur by communicating words, or that the

teacher, himself,

> is just a vehicle of perception, without volition.

>

> Phil

 

 

 

Actually I think there is plenty of volition and this is precisely

this volition which makes our world into such a horrible mess.

 

Len

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In a message dated 3/2/2006 11:29:18 AM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

Thu, 02 Mar 2006 13:43:53 -0000

" lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002

Re: teachings of Maharaj (no-me: karmas->circumstances, quotes)

 

Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 3/1/2006 10:31:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, Ni

> sargadatta writes:

>

> Wed, 01 Mar 2006 17:24:25 -0000

> " toombaru2006 " <lastrain

> Re: teachings of Maharaj (no-me: karmas->circumstances,

quotes)

>

>

>

> > " It makes no sense to worry about things you have no control

over because

> there's

> nothing you can do about them..

>

>

>

> He's telling us not to worry about what we cannot control.

>

> Do you see the irony here?

>

>

>

> Hehe. Yes, I do. Didn't notice it the first time.

> It's the same irony of teaching that there is no volitional being,

or that

> teaching does not occur by communicating words, or that the

teacher, himself,

> is just a vehicle of perception, without volition.

>

> Phil

 

 

 

Actually I think there is plenty of volition and this is precisely

this volition which makes our world into such a horrible mess.

 

Len

 

 

 

Ahh, and so releasing judgment is going to be a difficult task as long as

you believe that people choose to behave badly. This assumption can be explored

if there's any interest. If we explore how choices are made, we might find

that they come from factors over which we never had any control. We're born

with certain propensities and into a given environment. Our choices, from the

beginning, are based on these factors and our desire which arises from that

also.

 

Every choice is mechanically made according to tendencies and experiences

over which we never had any control because the choices that led to them were

also not under our control. The mind is a machine. There is no independent

volition. There is nobody present here. The human is an experiential vehicle

only. There is nobody to hold responsible for what is done. This, of course,

will terrify ego that wants to control the behavior of others.

 

Phil

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 3/2/2006 11:29:18 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> Nisargadatta writes:

>

> Thu, 02 Mar 2006 13:43:53 -0000

> " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002

 

> Actually I think there is plenty of volition and this is

precisely

> this volition which makes our world into such a horrible mess.

>

> Len

 

 

 

> Ahh, and so releasing judgment is going to be a difficult task as

long as

> you believe that people choose to behave badly. This assumption

can be explored

> if there's any interest. If we explore how choices are made, we

might find

> that they come from factors over which we never had any control.

We're born

> with certain propensities and into a given environment. Our

choices, from the

> beginning, are based on these factors and our desire which arises

from that

> also.

>

> Every choice is mechanically made according to tendencies and

experiences

> over which we never had any control because the choices that led

to them were

> also not under our control. The mind is a machine. There is no

independent

> volition. There is nobody present here. The human is an

experiential vehicle

> only. There is nobody to hold responsible for what is done. This,

of course,

> will terrify ego that wants to control the behavior of others.

>

> Phil

 

 

Every choice is a result of mental effort/volition. The effort to

control.

This effort leads to most horrible conflicts, like war.

However the effort is so old, so automatical, so conditioned by the

past that it isn´t being experienced as an effort but as an

automatism. This might make seem it effortless but it is not the

case. It takes a lot of self knowledge, the observation of own

impulses to realize that the automatical response is full of fear

and effort, while the absence of this automatical, controlling

response is in fact effortless.

 

Len

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 3/2/2006 11:29:18 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> > Nisargadatta writes:

> >

> > Thu, 02 Mar 2006 13:43:53 -0000

> > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@>

>

> > Actually I think there is plenty of volition and this is

> precisely

> > this volition which makes our world into such a horrible mess.

> >

> > Len

>

>

>

> > Ahh, and so releasing judgment is going to be a difficult task as

> long as

> > you believe that people choose to behave badly. This assumption

> can be explored

> > if there's any interest. If we explore how choices are made, we

> might find

> > that they come from factors over which we never had any control.

> We're born

> > with certain propensities and into a given environment. Our

> choices, from the

> > beginning, are based on these factors and our desire which arises

> from that

> > also.

> >

> > Every choice is mechanically made according to tendencies and

> experiences

> > over which we never had any control because the choices that led

> to them were

> > also not under our control. The mind is a machine. There is no

> independent

> > volition. There is nobody present here. The human is an

> experiential vehicle

> > only. There is nobody to hold responsible for what is done. This,

> of course,

> > will terrify ego that wants to control the behavior of others.

> >

> > Phil

>

>

> Every choice is a result of mental effort/volition. The effort to

> control.

> This effort leads to most horrible conflicts, like war.

> However the effort is so old, so automatical, so conditioned by the

> past that it isn´t being experienced as an effort but as an

> automatism. This might make seem it effortless but it is not the

> case. It takes a lot of self knowledge, the observation of own

> impulses to realize that the automatical response is full of fear

> and effort, while the absence of this automatical, controlling

> response is in fact effortless.

>

> Len

 

 

it seem that you already are too much used....to cut off this your

described " automatic control " ....

 

you think that it " take a lot of self-knowledge " to get out of

this " automatical, controlling " ......

means that you already have all the necessary " knowledge " ......

 

i think that someone who would have all this your described

knowledge......would know also......that there is no " superiority "

existing.....

that it's not necessary to select people....in your

wished " classes " ......

that this would mean....to divide yourSelf....in different " classes "

and " categories " .....

 

Marc

 

 

 

 

 

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