Is There an Inside, a Within? (no-me: battle of the mind, we are born with)

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Nisargadatta , no-me <nomemxp wrote:

>

> Human beings are born with the mind,

> We cannot deny this gift,

> it's precious, and it's cursed...

>

> It's what has been manifested for ages,

> And only those who are being subdued to what is outside,

> That is being slaves to desire/fear etc.../are subjects to

unreasonable suffering,

> That is not knowing the consequences of the mental activity,

>

> The only way to get rid of the mind,

> Is by the use of the mind,

> It's very intelligent,

> But it cannot answer its own question of

> " Who am I? " ...

>

> Realized, I am now,

> If no question is given,

> The mind gives answers,

> Constant babababababababab and non-sense,

>

> If one's conscious or aware of this mind-battle,

> One should quit it by asking many questions,

>

> What is going on?

> Who is doing this?

> What am I thinking?

> To whom are these thoughts...?

> What am I to worry about?

> To whom are all desire and fear?

>

> And of course,

> What am I? or

> Who am I?

>

> No matter how smart or

> endlessly wandering the mind is,

> Is must be coming back to the source...

>

> Work on the breath retention,

> Hold that breath if one has to...

> We'll see how long can the mind be wandering?

>

> Who am I?

>

> ~no-me~

>

>

the source is in every .....now......

it's neither in the past....nor in the future....

 

if now....the breathe stopped......the source will be still there....

 

even if one try hard to imagine....with a " supreme mind " .....to be

the source oneself only (source of world)......this plan will

fail......at least , the next time one fall asleep.....for nice

dreams, during night

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , no-me <nomemxp@> wrote:

> >

> > Human beings are born with the mind,

> > We cannot deny this gift,

> > it's precious, and it's cursed...

> >

> > It's what has been manifested for ages,

> > And only those who are being subdued to what is outside,

> > That is being slaves to desire/fear etc.../are subjects to

> unreasonable suffering,

> > That is not knowing the consequences of the mental activity,

> >

> > The only way to get rid of the mind,

> > Is by the use of the mind,

> > It's very intelligent,

> > But it cannot answer its own question of

> > " Who am I? " ...

> >

> > Realized, I am now,

> > If no question is given,

> > The mind gives answers,

> > Constant babababababababab and non-sense,

> >

> > If one's conscious or aware of this mind-battle,

> > One should quit it by asking many questions,

> >

> > What is going on?

> > Who is doing this?

> > What am I thinking?

> > To whom are these thoughts...?

> > What am I to worry about?

> > To whom are all desire and fear?

> >

> > And of course,

> > What am I? or

> > Who am I?

> >

> > No matter how smart or

> > endlessly wandering the mind is,

> > Is must be coming back to the source...

> >

> > Work on the breath retention,

> > Hold that breath if one has to...

> > We'll see how long can the mind be wandering?

> >

> > Who am I?

> >

> > ~no-me~

> >

> >

> the source is in every .....now......

> it's neither in the past....nor in the future....

>

> if now....the breathe stopped......the source will be still

there....

>

> even if one try hard to imagine....with a " supreme mind " .....to be

> the source oneself only (source of world)......this plan will

> fail......at least , the next time one fall asleep.....for nice

> dreams, during night

>

> Marc

 

Ps: the " sensation " of world appearing....is because of the ego-

mind....

 

the " source " ....is just constant....infinite

energy....timeless.... " unimaginary " ...... " uncalculable " ....and....

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Even after that last breath is stopped,

If one is aware of this process, (through awareness of awareness),

It's like having a dream inside in pool,

filled with water, in which breathing is always constant...

It is only the perception of the mind that fools us to believe

that stop breathing is dead...

 

believe or not, nobody dies,

 

Please note that:

 

stopping one's breath is natural,

it comes from years of mindful training,

it happens naturally in a case of kundalini wakeup,

it's like lucid dreaming,

similar to that of OBE....

 

if one is totally aware of this process,

it's like having multiple characters witnessing each other,

like it was said, " awareness of awareness " ...

since it's just a great perception concerning death or life,

there is total surrender due to love,

that is, lacking of desire and fear...

which are the two critical aspects that keep us all clinging on to life

as we realize it...

 

Ramana stopped his breath due to such great fear of death,

he took that initiative by facing with what was frightening the most in his

childhood. Instead of dying, he came back and relived telling the tale...

it was said that he was realized after that....!!!

 

~no-me~

 

dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33 wrote: --- In

Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

<dennis_travis33 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , no-me <nomemxp@> wrote:

> >

> > Human beings are born with the mind,

> > We cannot deny this gift,

> > it's precious, and it's cursed...

> >

> > It's what has been manifested for ages,

> > And only those who are being subdued to what is outside,

> > That is being slaves to desire/fear etc.../are subjects to

> unreasonable suffering,

> > That is not knowing the consequences of the mental activity,

> >

> > The only way to get rid of the mind,

> > Is by the use of the mind,

> > It's very intelligent,

> > But it cannot answer its own question of

> > " Who am I? " ...

> >

> > Realized, I am now,

> > If no question is given,

> > The mind gives answers,

> > Constant babababababababab and non-sense,

> >

> > If one's conscious or aware of this mind-battle,

> > One should quit it by asking many questions,

> >

> > What is going on?

> > Who is doing this?

> > What am I thinking?

> > To whom are these thoughts...?

> > What am I to worry about?

> > To whom are all desire and fear?

> >

> > And of course,

> > What am I? or

> > Who am I?

> >

> > No matter how smart or

> > endlessly wandering the mind is,

> > Is must be coming back to the source...

> >

> > Work on the breath retention,

> > Hold that breath if one has to...

> > We'll see how long can the mind be wandering?

> >

> > Who am I?

> >

> > ~no-me~

> >

> >

> the source is in every .....now......

> it's neither in the past....nor in the future....

>

> if now....the breathe stopped......the source will be still

there....

>

> even if one try hard to imagine....with a " supreme mind " .....to be

> the source oneself only (source of world)......this plan will

> fail......at least , the next time one fall asleep.....for nice

> dreams, during night

>

> Marc

 

Ps: the " sensation " of world appearing....is because of the ego-

mind....

 

the " source " ....is just constant....infinite

energy....timeless.... " unimaginary " ...... " uncalculable " ....and....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , no-me <nomemxp wrote:

>

> Even after that last breath is stopped,

> If one is aware of this process, (through awareness of awareness),

> It's like having a dream inside in pool,

> filled with water, in which breathing is always constant...

> It is only the perception of the mind that fools us to believe

> that stop breathing is dead...

>

> believe or not, nobody dies,

>

> Please note that:

>

> stopping one's breath is natural,

> it comes from years of mindful training,

> it happens naturally in a case of kundalini wakeup,

> it's like lucid dreaming,

> similar to that of OBE....

>

> if one is totally aware of this process,

> it's like having multiple characters witnessing each other,

> like it was said, " awareness of awareness " ...

> since it's just a great perception concerning death or life,

> there is total surrender due to love,

> that is, lacking of desire and fear...

> which are the two critical aspects that keep us all clinging on to

life

> as we realize it...

>

> Ramana stopped his breath due to such great fear of death,

> he took that initiative by facing with what was frightening the

most in his childhood. Instead of dying, he came back and relived

telling the tale...

> it was said that he was realized after that....!!!

>

> ~no-me~

>

 

 

>thanks for this interesting informations....

 

the only " entity " which can die...is the ego-mind......means the

false identification......manifestated by confusions and illusions

and fears....and...

 

you talk about this breath experiences.....

it's like people who loose breathe....because of very deep

meditation.....

during deep meditation, breathe slow down extremely......and body-

sense also dissapear......

 

your description go far deeper.....it's nice to hear about.....

yes....the fact(or) love is extremely " present " ....in all this

happenings......

 

concerning Ramana....i heard that he just made a " sudden " experience

of " coming death " .....means, it appeared.....just in a

moment....without special (appearing) reason....

didn't know that he stopped his breathe by (own) wish....

 

thank for your message.....

 

and the meditative words....

 

Marc

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Marc,

 

You are welcome!! And thanks for your insightful response.

 

Yeah, sometime, I just weigh how much information is necessary, or just poking

here and there.

 

Sometime I might get in too deep for certain concepts, especially, when it comes

to the mind, body and consciousness.

 

One more concept that I'd like to point out here is this:

 

Having beaten the mind until it's all dead (almost though), I meant the

Ego-mind, the thinking mind, which can only be minimized, through contemplation

of Kundalini or Yoga etc...!

 

Self realization is important for all spiritual seeker. This can only be done

once, and when it wakes up, it is irreversible...!!

 

About experiencing the Void:

 

Is like being inside a village of souls,

Is like being in the wilderness filled with gap, and silence, and inside the

gap, it is no long a gap or emptiness anymore, but a pool filled with light,

very peaceful, and very tranquil, no utter of words, no whisper of sound, no

music, no noise, no taste, but a great feeling of God's energy....

 

Is like being surrounded by millions of souls,

Even being inside a crownd of million,

Is like being in solitude...(It's not easy to adapt oneself to this simplicity

of life again...)

 

This brain, the on-going mind battle, must continue, continue to live, even upon

the Enlightenment whatsoever...it must adapt to circumstances and situations...

 

Upon waking up,

The brain has been washed with nectar of Truth,

It's been rewound to where it used to be,

With bit more and fancy upgrade of the mental energy...

 

The other side of life, or whatever the name, astral world...something like

this, is such a lonely and happy place....one might cry with happy tears...upon

experiencing this.

 

Upon coming back to this world, the physical world,

And realize how, all living organism are such vulnerable...so very

vulnerable...very much so, very much,

And what a place this is...!

 

What brought this body-mind back here?

 

That's our dearest friends:

 

Desire and fear...(the will to live and let lived)

 

All there is, is a pool of Energy,

No more, no less

 

There is so much energy...inside this gap,

which is not really a gap,

it's like being inside a bottle of water,

we are, in the physical domain, being marinated,

with this pure God's given energy.

 

How are we marinated?

 

Simply look at wounds, sickness or whaterver, all of which are body-mind

sensations. The mind perceives pain as being the opposite of pleasure. They

will be cured one way or another, sooner or later.

 

Hunger is also pain. And how is it cured? By giving the body with food and

nutrition, and these are also the medicine. We should consider eating as giving

the body great medicine.

 

Sometime, people's hunger is bigger than the other, and it is just great pain,

based on how much one is used to sensation. It is an on going pain...as long as

the body-mind continues to live, we are always going to live with this hunger,

pain!

 

Consciousness has its own pain, that is the mind. How does one cure this pain?

By educating oneself with wisdom of the sages and gurus or those who come before

us.

 

As body, we are like pickle hearings...that is the case of the Awakening of the

Kundalini (which is beyond this message).

 

But mind the mind!! It's all that we have to play with, and we must make the

good use of it.

 

Go out and enjoy the senses. Spring is here! Don't waste even a minute to do

what can be done now.

 

That is what the energy is supposed to do, empowering the living organism, so

that we feel the love...and enjoying having the senses!

 

Some are attached more to these senses than the other, but we all should know

that everything has been taken care off. Nothing's ever happened.

 

And what a better way to use this energy than to be cosmically connected to

others, through cosmic love...!

 

~no-me~

 

dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33 wrote: --- In

Nisargadatta , no-me <nomemxp wrote:

>

> Even after that last breath is stopped,

> If one is aware of this process, (through awareness of awareness),

> It's like having a dream inside in pool,

> filled with water, in which breathing is always constant...

> It is only the perception of the mind that fools us to believe

> that stop breathing is dead...

>

> believe or not, nobody dies,

>

> Please note that:

>

> stopping one's breath is natural,

> it comes from years of mindful training,

> it happens naturally in a case of kundalini wakeup,

> it's like lucid dreaming,

> similar to that of OBE....

>

> if one is totally aware of this process,

> it's like having multiple characters witnessing each other,

> like it was said, " awareness of awareness " ...

> since it's just a great perception concerning death or life,

> there is total surrender due to love,

> that is, lacking of desire and fear...

> which are the two critical aspects that keep us all clinging on to

life

> as we realize it...

>

> Ramana stopped his breath due to such great fear of death,

> he took that initiative by facing with what was frightening the

most in his childhood. Instead of dying, he came back and relived

telling the tale...

> it was said that he was realized after that....!!!

>

> ~no-me~

>

 

 

>thanks for this interesting informations....

 

the only " entity " which can die...is the ego-mind......means the

false identification......manifestated by confusions and illusions

and fears....and...

 

you talk about this breath experiences.....

it's like people who loose breathe....because of very deep

meditation.....

during deep meditation, breathe slow down extremely......and body-

sense also dissapear......

 

your description go far deeper.....it's nice to hear about.....

yes....the fact(or) love is extremely " present " ....in all this

happenings......

 

concerning Ramana....i heard that he just made a " sudden " experience

of " coming death " .....means, it appeared.....just in a

moment....without special (appearing) reason....

didn't know that he stopped his breathe by (own) wish....

 

thank for your message.....

 

and the meditative words....

 

Marc

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , no-me <nomemxp wrote:

>

> Marc,

>

> You are welcome!! And thanks for your insightful response.

>

> Yeah, sometime, I just weigh how much information is necessary, or

just poking here and there.

>

> Sometime I might get in too deep for certain concepts, especially,

when it comes to the mind, body and consciousness.

>

> One more concept that I'd like to point out here is this:

>

> Having beaten the mind until it's all dead (almost though), I meant

the Ego-mind, the thinking mind, which can only be minimized, through

contemplation of Kundalini or Yoga etc...!

>

> Self realization is important for all spiritual seeker. This can

only be done once, and when it wakes up, it is irreversible...!!

>

> About experiencing the Void:

>

> Is like being inside a village of souls,

> Is like being in the wilderness filled with gap, and silence, and

inside the gap, it is no long a gap or emptiness anymore, but a pool

filled with light, very peaceful, and very tranquil, no utter of

words, no whisper of sound, no music, no noise, no taste, but a great

feeling of God's energy....

>

> Is like being surrounded by millions of souls,

> Even being inside a crownd of million,

> Is like being in solitude...(It's not easy to adapt oneself to this

simplicity of life again...)

>

> This brain, the on-going mind battle, must continue, continue to

live, even upon the Enlightenment whatsoever...it must adapt to

circumstances and situations...

>

> Upon waking up,

> The brain has been washed with nectar of Truth,

> It's been rewound to where it used to be,

> With bit more and fancy upgrade of the mental energy...

>

> The other side of life, or whatever the name, astral

world...something like this, is such a lonely and happy place....one

might cry with happy tears...upon experiencing this.

>

> Upon coming back to this world, the physical world,

> And realize how, all living organism are such vulnerable...so very

vulnerable...very much so, very much,

> And what a place this is...!

>

> What brought this body-mind back here?

>

> That's our dearest friends:

>

> Desire and fear...(the will to live and let lived)

>

> All there is, is a pool of Energy,

> No more, no less

>

> There is so much energy...inside this gap,

> which is not really a gap,

> it's like being inside a bottle of water,

> we are, in the physical domain, being marinated,

> with this pure God's given energy.

>

> How are we marinated?

>

> Simply look at wounds, sickness or whaterver, all of which are body-

mind sensations. The mind perceives pain as being the opposite of

pleasure. They will be cured one way or another, sooner or later.

>

> Hunger is also pain. And how is it cured? By giving the body with

food and nutrition, and these are also the medicine. We should

consider eating as giving the body great medicine.

>

> Sometime, people's hunger is bigger than the other, and it is just

great pain, based on how much one is used to sensation. It is an on

going pain...as long as the body-mind continues to live, we are

always going to live with this hunger, pain!

>

> Consciousness has its own pain, that is the mind. How does one

cure this pain? By educating oneself with wisdom of the sages and

gurus or those who come before us.

>

> As body, we are like pickle hearings...that is the case of the

Awakening of the Kundalini (which is beyond this message).

>

> But mind the mind!! It's all that we have to play with, and we

must make the good use of it.

>

> Go out and enjoy the senses. Spring is here! Don't waste even a

minute to do what can be done now.

>

> That is what the energy is supposed to do, empowering the living

organism, so that we feel the love...and enjoying having the senses!

>

> Some are attached more to these senses than the other, but we all

should know that everything has been taken care off. Nothing's ever

happened.

>

> And what a better way to use this energy than to be cosmically

connected to others, through cosmic love...!

>

> ~no-me~

>

> dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33 wrote: --- In

Nisargadatta , no-me <nomemxp@> wrote:

> >

> > Even after that last breath is stopped,

> > If one is aware of this process, (through awareness of

awareness),

> > It's like having a dream inside in pool,

> > filled with water, in which breathing is always constant...

> > It is only the perception of the mind that fools us to believe

> > that stop breathing is dead...

> >

> > believe or not, nobody dies,

> >

> > Please note that:

> >

> > stopping one's breath is natural,

> > it comes from years of mindful training,

> > it happens naturally in a case of kundalini wakeup,

> > it's like lucid dreaming,

> > similar to that of OBE....

> >

> > if one is totally aware of this process,

> > it's like having multiple characters witnessing each other,

> > like it was said, " awareness of awareness " ...

> > since it's just a great perception concerning death or life,

> > there is total surrender due to love,

> > that is, lacking of desire and fear...

> > which are the two critical aspects that keep us all clinging on

to

> life

> > as we realize it...

> >

> > Ramana stopped his breath due to such great fear of death,

> > he took that initiative by facing with what was frightening the

> most in his childhood. Instead of dying, he came back and relived

> telling the tale...

> > it was said that he was realized after that....!!!

> >

> > ~no-me~

> >

>

>

> >thanks for this interesting informations....

>

> the only " entity " which can die...is the ego-mind......means the

> false identification......manifestated by confusions and illusions

> and fears....and...

>

> you talk about this breath experiences.....

> it's like people who loose breathe....because of very deep

> meditation.....

> during deep meditation, breathe slow down extremely......and body-

> sense also dissapear......

>

> your description go far deeper.....it's nice to hear about.....

> yes....the fact(or) love is extremely " present " ....in all this

> happenings......

>

> concerning Ramana....i heard that he just made a " sudden "

experience

> of " coming death " .....means, it appeared.....just in a

> moment....without special (appearing) reason....

> didn't know that he stopped his breathe by (own) wish....

>

> thank for your message.....

>

> and the meditative words....

>

> Marc

>

>

> ...wonderful words.....thank you....

 

your words describe very well.....another " side " existing.....

 

" the " other side....of this worldy experiences and breathings....

 

again....your words go very deep in realities.....

 

.....words of " no return " ....

 

i'm thankfull for this words of " soul "

 

now...the day end for me here.....

 

wish a good time.....

 

whenever you feel ....again....to " write " from/about the " other

side " ....

you are most welcome....

 

Marc

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