Yet another take on acceptance vs non-acceptance/no-me/We

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Maybe I should say this is only my personal perspective, although it should

be obvious.

I don't see any reason to call the human conscious at all, in the larger

context. The One consciousness is always the only source of consciousness. It

seems that thought doesn't even arise in the brain. The brain appears to be a

kind of associative processor, whereby a set of pointers are related in various

patterns. Each pointer references a different 'place' in consciousness,

which is not really a thought, but that idea will work. The patterns are formed

experientially.

 

Almost all of the pointers reference an area of consciousness that we call

the collective consciousness of humanity. This has the effect of limiting the

vast majority of thought to that which already exists in the human collective.

 

Anyhoo, the point is, that which is seemingly conscious in the human is

consciousness itself. The senses and brain make experience/perception possible,

along with duality, time, etc. The difficulty in 'waking up' an individuated

aspect of consciousness is that the part that is capable of thinking about

waking up and even cares, is the part that is just a vehicle of perception and

has no volition and no way to do this. Consciousness itself, assuming it cared,

has no separate mental processing going on in order to bring about this

waking up. And so everything occurs spontaneously.

 

Phil

 

 

 

In a message dated 3/2/2006 11:52:32 PM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

Thu, 2 Mar 2006 21:48:54 -0800 (PST)

no-me <nomemxp

Re: Re: Yet another take on " acceptance " vs

" non-acceptance " /no-me/Werner

 

Werner,

 

Why not?

 

Consciousness is a mirror,

If one thinks it is,

It is not,

if one doesn't think it is.

 

Consciousness is,

Same with 'I AM'...

 

Who cares,

If consciousness is not a mirror or not?

 

Very simple!!

 

'Mis-informed' is the nature of the Self,

Nothing to be informed,

Nothing has been learned

 

The Self has no concept of its own,

And who is there to be informed,

and by whom?

 

Who is there to learn anything?

 

What is the use of the brain,

When there is a lack of Consciousness?

 

The body-mind organism is,

but a corpse, without Consciousness,

Or the energy of the Divine,

which is shared among all living organism

 

The moment the energy passes through this brain,

numbing all the organism,

who is there to witnesss this?

 

>>Sensory input is processed in the brain and then made >>conscious.

 

Are you trying to say that the body is controlling the consciousness? It is

like saying that 'I'm the body', which is the source of all suffering.

 

That is fine if that is what you believe that.

 

Haven't you ever been informed about the Consciousness having the body? So

who/what were you before your parents were born?

 

>> " no second humann being which owns the same contents (of >>consciousness)

as you do. "

 

And who is the 'You' presenting this non-sense info?

 

~no-me~

 

 

Werner Woehr <wwoehr wrote: Sorry, dear conservative and

misinformed friend,

 

But consciousness is no mirror. That mirror metaphor is an old myth

which is totally wrong because there is no consiousness. And there is

also no so called pure consciousness. Consciousness is its content -

no content, no consciousness.

 

Sensory input is processed in the brain and then made conscious. This

processing is absolut subjective and personal. You are the world and

that world which you are is a subjective world and there is no second

humann being which owns the same contents (of consciousness) as you

do. Good by mirror, welcome subjectivity ...

 

Werner

 

 

--- In Nisargadatta , no-me <nomemxp wrote:

>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> Does the mirror *accept* the image reflected in it?

> > >> Does the mirror *reject* the image reflected in it?

> > >> Is the mirror *attached* to the image reflected in it?

> > >> Does the mirror *judge* the image reflected in it?

> > >> Does the mirror try to *change* the image reflected in it?

> > >> Does the mirror *suffer* because of the image reflected in it?

> > >> Does the mirror try to *transcend* the image reflected in it?

> > >> Does the mirror consider itself *different* or *separate from*

> the

> > > image reflected in it?

> > >> Does the mirror consider itself *one with* the image refected

in

> it?

> > >> Does the mirror *do* anything at all, and in so doing :-),

> nothing

> > > in undone or done?

> > >>

> > >> Just wondering?

>

> A mirror is what reflects,

> that's its only function, reflecting...

> no matter what is being projected into it,

> it knows nothing about what or who or anything...

>

> That is the same thing with consciousness,

> it knows nothing about which living organism,

> that it is empowering or shining into...

>

> A mirror is made of a glass surface with metallic silver,

> it is like a folded shadow of light,

> without light, a mirror is useless,

> its only function is to reflect light,

> and all phenomenon objects are shadows of light...

>

> it's like wondering about

> whether a car is run on gas or water,

>

> imagine this:

>

> would you rather look directly into the sunlight

> or viewing the sunlight through clouds,

> that's same thing with sunset,

> the truth that we experience that beautiful sunset is

> the same thing that we are experiencing of what inside us,

> the sun rises, and sets, and we rise and set along with it...!

>

> that same concept is true,

> when being the source of consciousness,

> and it is true that we are going back into the source again,

> having all this chemical and biological, or nuclear weaponary

>

> frankly, i rather enjoy the beautitude of this world,

> then seeking into the source of non-existence, energy-only

mentality,

> with children playing, and singing songs, and exhanging love,

> the world, as it is, is always is, beautiful, and i love it...as it

is...

> no change, nor attempt to make it better, it's manifesting on

itself,

>

> just like, physical world,

> the spiritual world is

> also manifesting by itself

> it is nice as it is,

> what it is, how it is...

>

>

> no-me

>

>

> > >

> > > does a mirror wonder about something?.....

> > >

> > > maybe this your described mirror....is the " soul " ....one could

> > > accept.....sooner or later

> > >

> > > in accepting this " soul " ..... " acceptance " is no more cause of

> inner

> > > conflicts

> > >

> > > Marc

>

> " Acceptance is the same as 'surrender' " ...and Ramesh also agrees

with this concept.

>

> no-me

>

> > >

> > >L.E: You are not a mirror. Enough said.

>

> There you go!!! no-me

>

> > Yet, the skin of an organism is the boundry between the relative

> inside and outside.

> > And what is experienced as inside is, in a way, like a reflection

> from the outside.

> > ie., what you experience as seeing something is only the light

> emmanating from something outside stimulating nverves within the

> body. So, in a way, all most sensual experience is a reflection of

> outside forms. What you experience as sight outside is just the

> reflection from light bouncing off forms outside. Thinking is a

> different concern tho.

> >

> > Larry

> >

>

>

> Larry,

>

> I disagree with this concept of 'experiencing coming from the

outside'...!

> It's what inside that is interacting with the outside...!

>

> In a relative sense,

> there is inside and outside,

>

> but consciousness,

> has no concept of inside

> boundary or outside boundary...

>

> When you mention 'boundary',

> you are creating a limitation of this light...!

>

> We have always been here,

> since the beginning of the solar systems (billions years ago),

> or even way, before the big-bang concept,

> and even upon the next big-bang, we'll still continue to be here,

> in a different form, energy as we have been....

>

> Concept from: http://www.andrewcohen.org/teachings/

>

> and everything has been with us all along...(including all the

technology advancement etc),

> it was just that we had not had the machanism of detecting or using

these availabilities...or the sources,

> that was why, there was no way of experiencing this yet

>

> As long as there is consciousness, light, or energy,

> living organism will continue to manifest, and

> the Consciousness will continue to shine,

> or that light which has always been around,

> since the formation of the solar system,

> will continue to glow...and there is a constant glowing of this

light,

> even upon the ceasation of the physical world, or the body-mind

organism....!

>

>

> no-me

>

>

> > >ok, marc with his:...maybe... " soul " ...?

>

> > >and L. with his fine description of seeing that is all based on

> > >thought, but, he says, thinking is a different concern.

>

> Look inside our physical body, not with naked eyes,

> but with pure consciousness,

> There are seven chakras or the wheel of energy,

> which allows us to uniquely communicate with ourselves, and others,

> both from within and without...!!

>

> The fact that we are able to experience love,

> is due to the energy in the solar plexus,

> where the heart is, that is heat, warm,

> it empowers us to connect to other energy

> inside other living organism....

>

> And all living organism has these seven chakra points...

>

> To go into details about Chakra is beyond this message!

>

> You can read about Chakra from:

http://www.mastersinthemaking.com/chakrasandcolors/chakras.shtml

>

> no-me