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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

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> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> > wrote:

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> > >

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> > > Belief is violence.

> >

> >

> > do you belief so?

> >

> > Marc

> >

 

 

Marc,

 

Any discussion can be ended abruptly with a clever retort.

 

If it is your wish to dismiss an idea which can offer a window into the self's

essential

vacuity......then play this as if it is a verbal chess game.

 

Sometime.......you will have to come out here in the open......or maybe not.>

 

 

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In a message dated 3/3/2006 2:14:45 PM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

Fri, 03 Mar 2006 15:25:21 -0000

" toombaru2006 " <lastrain

Belief

 

 

 

 

Belief is violence.

 

 

 

PhilA: I spose you're gonna ask about that too.

 

PhilB: Well, I was just wondering........

 

PhilA: Look, he never even answered ya last time. Why bother?

 

PhilB: Well......yeah, I guess you're right.

 

PhilA: I'm always right!

 

PhilB: Are not!

 

PhilA: Am so!

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 3/3/2006 2:14:45 PM Pacific

Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

Fri, 03 Mar 2006 15:25:21 -0000

" toombaru2006 " <lastrain

Belief

 

 

 

 

Belief is violence.

 

 

 

PhilA: I spose you're gonna ask about that too.

 

PhilB: Well, I was just wondering........

 

PhilA: Look, he never even answered ya last time. Why

bother?

 

PhilB: Well......yeah, I guess you're right.

 

PhilA: I'm always right!

 

PhilB: Are not!

 

PhilA: Am so!

 

write his name in bold letters in Object,..

He won`t resist that.

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote:

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> In a message dated 3/3/2006 2:14:45 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> Nisargadatta writes:

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> Fri, 03 Mar 2006 15:25:21 -0000

> " toombaru2006 " <lastrain

> Belief

>

>

>

>

> Belief is violence.

>

>

>

> PhilA: I spose you're gonna ask about that too.

>

> PhilB: Well, I was just wondering........

>

> PhilA: Look, he never even answered ya last time. Why bother?

>

> PhilB: Well......yeah, I guess you're right.

>

> PhilA: I'm always right!

>

> PhilB: Are not!

>

> PhilA: Am so!

>

 

Did I miss a question?

 

I'm afraid that I do not read every post.

 

If there is anything ask ........I try to answer.....It is known here that it is

always and only

my self asking ....and then....my self diving in to the unknown....searching for

clarification.

 

What question did I miss?

 

Do you want to discuss the " Belief is violence " idea?......because when it was

written...

there was just a hint of what it meant here......

 

As it is discussed......it more and more........becomes clear.

 

Something very odd happens......a concept arises.....other concepts flow

along...sometimes

together ....sometime apart.....and then they all disappear into each

other...like they never

were.

 

Something else bubbles up...that seeks resolution.... and all that is smiles and

invites me

for coffee and a scone.

 

 

Your input is a treasure that is very valuable to this......process.

 

and I thank you for that.

 

 

toombaru

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In a message dated 3/4/2006 8:44:48 AM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

Sat, 04 Mar 2006 08:03:10 -0000

" toombaru2006 " <lastrain

Re: Belief

 

Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 3/3/2006 2:14:45 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> Nisargadatta writes:

>

> Fri, 03 Mar 2006 15:25:21 -0000

> " toombaru2006 " <lastrain

> Belief

>

>

>

>

> Belief is violence.

>

>

>

> PhilA: I spose you're gonna ask about that too.

>

> PhilB: Well, I was just wondering........

>

> PhilA: Look, he never even answered ya last time. Why bother?

>

> PhilB: Well......yeah, I guess you're right.

>

> PhilA: I'm always right!

>

> PhilB: Are not!

>

> PhilA: Am so!

>

 

Did I miss a question?

 

I'm afraid that I do not read every post.

 

If there is anything ask ........I try to answer.....It is known here that

it is always and only

my self asking ....and then....my self diving in to the unknown....searching

for clarification.

 

What question did I miss?

 

Do you want to discuss the " Belief is violence " idea?......because when it

was written...

there was just a hint of what it meant here......

 

As it is discussed......it more and more........becomes clear.

 

Something very odd happens......a concept arises.....other concepts flow

along...sometimes

together ....sometime apart.....and then they all disappear into each

other...like they never

were.

 

Something else bubbles up...that seeks resolution.... and all that is smiles

and invites me

for coffee and a scone.

 

 

Your input is a treasure that is very valuable to this......process.

 

and I thank you for that.

 

 

toombaru

 

 

 

Yer welcome. Yes, there's a similar process going on here that's helpful.

As far as missing anything, it was just another cutsy PhilA/B thing

regarding your statement that acceptance is violence. Now belief is violence,

which

registers only in the sense that beliefs limit and separate. Acceptance is

only 'violence' in the sense that effort is expended. True acceptance is

effortless.

 

Phil

 

 

 

 

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> In a message dated 3/4/2006 8:44:48 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> Nisargadatta writes:

>

> Sat, 04 Mar 2006 08:03:10 -0000

> " toombaru2006 " <lastrain

> Re: Belief

>

> Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote:

>>

>>

>> In a message dated 3/3/2006 2:14:45 PM Pacific Standard Time,

>> Nisargadatta writes:

>>

>> Fri, 03 Mar 2006 15:25:21 -0000

>> " toombaru2006 " <lastrain

>> Belief

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Belief is violence.

>>

>>

>>

>> PhilA: I spose you're gonna ask about that too.

>>

>> PhilB: Well, I was just wondering........

>>

>> PhilA: Look, he never even answered ya last time. Why bother?

>>

>> PhilB: Well......yeah, I guess you're right.

>>

>> PhilA: I'm always right!

>>

>> PhilB: Are not!

>>

>> PhilA: Am so!

>>

>

> Did I miss a question?

>

> I'm afraid that I do not read every post.

>

> If there is anything ask ........I try to answer.....It is known here

> that

> it is always and only

> my self asking ....and then....my self diving in to the

> unknown....searching

> for clarification.

>

> What question did I miss?

>

> Do you want to discuss the " Belief is violence " idea?......because when

> it

> was written...

> there was just a hint of what it meant here......

>

> As it is discussed......it more and more........becomes clear.

>

> Something very odd happens......a concept arises.....other concepts flow

> along...sometimes

> together ....sometime apart.....and then they all disappear into each

> other...like they never

> were.

>

> Something else bubbles up...that seeks resolution.... and all that is

> smiles

> and invites me

> for coffee and a scone.

>

>

> Your input is a treasure that is very valuable to this......process.

>

> and I thank you for that.

>

>

> toombaru

>

>

>

> Yer welcome. Yes, there's a similar process going on here that's helpful.

> As far as missing anything, it was just another cutsy PhilA/B thing

> regarding your statement that acceptance is violence. Now belief is

> violence, which

> registers only in the sense that beliefs limit and separate. Acceptance is

> only 'violence' in the sense that effort is expended. True acceptance is

> effortless.

>

> Phil

 

 

 

...were it so, that it were so... to say YES to This,

 

the coffee, scone and smile would ever be enough said, enough asked and

enough shared...

 

along with a hug and a bow, namaste my Beloveds

>

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> Yer welcome. Yes, there's a similar process going on here that's helpful.

> As far as missing anything, it was just another cutsy PhilA/B thing

> regarding your statement that acceptance is violence. Now belief is violence,

which

> registers only in the sense that beliefs limit and separate. Acceptance is

> only 'violence' in the sense that effort is expended. True acceptance is

> effortless.

>

> Phil

>

 

" Acceptance " is a description of a perceived process that welcomes the existence

of

some-thing perceived and a perceiver.

 

Acceptance is a welcoming whose existence requires a polar opposite which would

be a

rejecting....Acceptance implies a selective action.

 

Some-thing is accepted....something else is rejected based on perceived value to

an

imaginary center.

 

Infinity has no center........nothing in which " acceptance " could find a

home.....and no

isolated thing or event that could be accepted.

 

Does the ocean accept the rain?

 

Does an animal accept the pain?

 

 

Acceptance is violence.

 

 

toombaru

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>>

>>

>> Yer welcome. Yes, there's a similar process going on here that's

>> helpful.

>> As far as missing anything, it was just another cutsy PhilA/B thing

>> regarding your statement that acceptance is violence. Now belief is

>> violence, which

>> registers only in the sense that beliefs limit and separate. Acceptance

>> is

>> only 'violence' in the sense that effort is expended. True acceptance is

>> effortless.

>>

>> Phil

>>

>

> " Acceptance " is a description of a perceived process that welcomes the

> existence of

> some-thing perceived and a perceiver.

>

> Acceptance is a welcoming whose existence requires a polar opposite which

> would be a

> rejecting....Acceptance implies a selective action.

>

> Some-thing is accepted....something else is rejected based on perceived

> value to an

> imaginary center.

>

> Infinity has no center........nothing in which " acceptance " could find a

> home.....and no

> isolated thing or event that could be accepted.

>

> Does the ocean accept the rain?

>

> Does an animal accept the pain?

>

>

> Acceptance is violence.

>

>

> toombaru

 

 

 

perhaps my Toombaru, we can call acceptance the violet's longing

for surrender to the rain...

 

Ana

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In a message dated 3/5/2006 3:12:00 PM Pacific Standard Time,

lissbon2002 writes:

 

> >belief is resistence to what is,

> >and resistence to what is

> >is violence

> >

> >

> >Bill

>

 

L.E: WHAT IS includes everything, even your belief, even your resistence,

even your violence. Everything!

 

Larry Epston

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn

wrote:

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> > t:

> >

> > Belief is violence.

> >

>

> true enough

>

> belief is resistence to what is,

> and resistence to what is

> is violence

>

>

> Bill

 

 

Not necessarily resistance to what is, but an image of what is not.

 

Len

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In a message dated 3/5/2006 5:34:47 AM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

Sun, 05 Mar 2006 07:59:34 -0000

" toombaru2006 " <lastrain

Re: Belief

 

 

>

>

> Yer welcome. Yes, there's a similar process going on here that's helpful.

> As far as missing anything, it was just another cutsy PhilA/B thing

> regarding your statement that acceptance is violence. Now belief is

violence, which

> registers only in the sense that beliefs limit and separate. Acceptance is

 

> only 'violence' in the sense that effort is expended. True acceptance is

> effortless.

>

> Phil

>

 

" Acceptance " is a description of a perceived process that welcomes the

existence of

some-thing perceived and a perceiver.

 

Acceptance is a welcoming whose existence requires a polar opposite which

would be a

rejecting....Acceptance implies a selective action.

 

Some-thing is accepted....something else is rejected based on perceived

value to an

imaginary center.

 

Infinity has no center........nothing in which " acceptance " could find a

home.....and no

isolated thing or event that could be accepted.

 

Does the ocean accept the rain?

 

Does an animal accept the pain?

 

 

Acceptance is violence.

 

 

toombaru

 

 

 

Okay, I see where yer comin from. In my lingo, a focus on acceptance is of

course dualistic, and energizes a field of consciousness that contains both

acceptance and nonacceptance. This is how all dualities are created.

 

Howsoever, acceptance is not something that is done; the word does not

describe a doing or something that is brought about through an act of will,

but

merely describes the presence of a condition. Acceptance can be present, and

this is not violence. Rather, it ends violence.

 

Phil

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 3/5/2006 5:34:47 AM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

Sun, 5 Mar 2006 04:44:35 -0800 (PST)

annaruiz

Re: Re: Belief

 

>

>>

>>

>> Yer welcome. Yes, there's a similar process going on here that's

>> helpful.

>> As far as missing anything, it was just another cutsy PhilA/B thing

>> regarding your statement that acceptance is violence. Now belief is

>> violence, which

>> registers only in the sense that beliefs limit and separate. Acceptance

>> is

>> only 'violence' in the sense that effort is expended. True acceptance is

>> effortless.

>>

>> Phil

>>

>

> " Acceptance " is a description of a perceived process that welcomes the

> existence of

> some-thing perceived and a perceiver.

>

> Acceptance is a welcoming whose existence requires a polar opposite which

> would be a

> rejecting....Acceptance implies a selective action.

>

> Some-thing is accepted....something else is rejected based on perceived

> value to an

> imaginary center.

>

> Infinity has no center........nothing in which " acceptance " could find a

> home.....and no

> isolated thing or event that could be accepted.

>

> Does the ocean accept the rain?

>

> Does an animal accept the pain?

>

>

> Acceptance is violence.

>

>

> toombaru

 

 

 

perhaps my Toombaru, we can call acceptance the violet's longing

for surrender to the rain...

 

Ana

 

 

 

 

Lets not, and say we did.

 

 

 

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In a message dated 3/5/2006 10:28:49 PM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

Sun, 5 Mar 2006 19:14:59 EST

epston

Re: Re: Belief

 

In a message dated 3/5/2006 3:12:00 PM Pacific Standard Time,

lissbon2002 writes:

 

> >belief is resistence to what is,

> >and resistence to what is

> >is violence

> >

> >

> >Bill

>

 

L.E: WHAT IS includes everything, even your belief, even your resistence,

even your violence. Everything!

 

Larry Epston

 

 

 

And what happens when resistance is accepted? There is no resistance.

 

Phil

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 3/5/2006 10:28:49 PM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

Mon, 06 Mar 2006 05:50:06 -0000

" toombaru2006 " <lastrain

Re: Belief

 

Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 3/5/2006 5:34:47 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> Nisargadatta writes:

>

> Sun, 05 Mar 2006 07:59:34 -0000

> " toombaru2006 " <lastrain

> Re: Belief

>

>

> >

> >

> > Yer welcome. Yes, there's a similar process going on here that's

helpful.

> > As far as missing anything, it was just another cutsy PhilA/B thing

> > regarding your statement that acceptance is violence. Now belief is

> violence, which

> > registers only in the sense that beliefs limit and separate. Acceptance

is

>

> > only 'violence' in the sense that effort is expended. True acceptance

is

> > effortless.

> >

> > Phil

> >

>

> " Acceptance " is a description of a perceived process that welcomes the

> existence of

> some-thing perceived and a perceiver.

>

> Acceptance is a welcoming whose existence requires a polar opposite which

> would be a

> rejecting....Acceptance implies a selective action.

>

> Some-thing is accepted....something else is rejected based on perceived

> value to an

> imaginary center.

>

> Infinity has no center........nothing in which " acceptance " could find a

> home.....and no

> isolated thing or event that could be accepted.

>

> Does the ocean accept the rain?

>

> Does an animal accept the pain?

>

>

> Acceptance is violence.

>

>

> toombaru

>

>

>

> Okay, I see where yer comin from. In my lingo, a focus on acceptance is of

 

> course dualistic, and energizes a field of consciousness that contains

both

> acceptance and nonacceptance. This is how all dualities are created.

>

> Howsoever, acceptance is not something that is done; the word does not

> describe a doing or something that is brought about through an act of

will, but

> merely describes the presence of a condition. Acceptance can be present,

and

> this is not violence. Rather, it ends violence.

>

> Phil

>

>

>

acceptance

n 1: the mental attitude that something is believable and should be accepted

as true; " he

gave credence to the gossip " ; " acceptance of Newtonian mechanics was

unquestioned for

200 years " [syn: credence] 2: the act of accepting with approval; favorable

reception; " its

adoption by society " ; " the proposal found wide acceptance " [syn: adoption,

acceptation,

espousal] 3: the state of being acceptable and accepted; " torn jeans

received no

acceptance at the country club " [ant: rejection] 4: (contract law) words

signifying consent

to the terms of an offer (thereby creating a contract) 5: banking: a time

draft drawn on and

accepted by a bank [syn: banker's acceptance] 6: a disposition to tolerate

or accept people

or situations; " all people should practice toleration and live together in

peace " [syn:

toleration, sufferance] 7: the act of taking something that is offered; " her

acceptance of

the gift encouraged him " ; " he anticipated their acceptance of his offer "

 

 

 

 

We are perhaps...discussing a different concept.

 

 

toombaru

 

 

 

Definitions?..........We've resorted to dictionary definitions? Okay, then.

I'll take these partial entries:

 

" the state of being acceptable and accepted "

" a disposition to tolerate or accept "

 

 

I called it, " The presence of a condition (of acceptance) "

 

Is there disagreement simply for the sake of disagreement here?

 

Phil

 

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 3/5/2006 5:34:47 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> Nisargadatta writes:

>

> Sun, 05 Mar 2006 07:59:34 -0000

> " toombaru2006 " <lastrain

> Re: Belief

>

>

> >

> >

> > Yer welcome. Yes, there's a similar process going on here that's helpful.

> > As far as missing anything, it was just another cutsy PhilA/B thing

> > regarding your statement that acceptance is violence. Now belief is

> violence, which

> > registers only in the sense that beliefs limit and separate. Acceptance is

>

> > only 'violence' in the sense that effort is expended. True acceptance is

> > effortless.

> >

> > Phil

> >

>

> " Acceptance " is a description of a perceived process that welcomes the

> existence of

> some-thing perceived and a perceiver.

>

> Acceptance is a welcoming whose existence requires a polar opposite which

> would be a

> rejecting....Acceptance implies a selective action.

>

> Some-thing is accepted....something else is rejected based on perceived

> value to an

> imaginary center.

>

> Infinity has no center........nothing in which " acceptance " could find a

> home.....and no

> isolated thing or event that could be accepted.

>

> Does the ocean accept the rain?

>

> Does an animal accept the pain?

>

>

> Acceptance is violence.

>

>

> toombaru

>

>

>

> Okay, I see where yer comin from. In my lingo, a focus on acceptance is of

> course dualistic, and energizes a field of consciousness that contains both

> acceptance and nonacceptance. This is how all dualities are created.

>

> Howsoever, acceptance is not something that is done; the word does not

> describe a doing or something that is brought about through an act of will,

but

> merely describes the presence of a condition. Acceptance can be present, and

> this is not violence. Rather, it ends violence.

>

> Phil

>

>

>

acceptance

n 1: the mental attitude that something is believable and should be accepted as

true; " he

gave credence to the gossip " ; " acceptance of Newtonian mechanics was

unquestioned for

200 years " [syn: credence] 2: the act of accepting with approval; favorable

reception; " its

adoption by society " ; " the proposal found wide acceptance " [syn: adoption,

acceptation,

espousal] 3: the state of being acceptable and accepted; " torn jeans received no

acceptance at the country club " [ant: rejection] 4: (contract law) words

signifying consent

to the terms of an offer (thereby creating a contract) 5: banking: a time draft

drawn on and

accepted by a bank [syn: banker's acceptance] 6: a disposition to tolerate or

accept people

or situations; " all people should practice toleration and live together in

peace " [syn:

toleration, sufferance] 7: the act of taking something that is offered; " her

acceptance of

the gift encouraged him " ; " he anticipated their acceptance of his offer "

 

 

 

 

We are perhaps...discussing a different concept.

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 3/5/2006 5:34:47 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> Nisargadatta writes:

>

> Sun, 5 Mar 2006 04:44:35 -0800 (PST)

> annaruiz

> Re: Re: Belief

>

> >

> >>

> >>

> >> Yer welcome. Yes, there's a similar process going on here that's

> >> helpful.

> >> As far as missing anything, it was just another cutsy PhilA/B thing

> >> regarding your statement that acceptance is violence. Now belief is

> >> violence, which

> >> registers only in the sense that beliefs limit and separate. Acceptance

> >> is

> >> only 'violence' in the sense that effort is expended. True acceptance is

> >> effortless.

> >>

> >> Phil

> >>

> >

> > " Acceptance " is a description of a perceived process that welcomes the

> > existence of

> > some-thing perceived and a perceiver.

> >

> > Acceptance is a welcoming whose existence requires a polar opposite which

> > would be a

> > rejecting....Acceptance implies a selective action.

> >

> > Some-thing is accepted....something else is rejected based on perceived

> > value to an

> > imaginary center.

> >

> > Infinity has no center........nothing in which " acceptance " could find a

> > home.....and no

> > isolated thing or event that could be accepted.

> >

> > Does the ocean accept the rain?

> >

> > Does an animal accept the pain?

> >

> >

> > Acceptance is violence.

> >

> >

> > toombaru

>

>

>

> perhaps my Toombaru, we can call acceptance the violet's longing

> for surrender to the rain...

>

> Ana

>

>

 

Well my love.......the trouble with words is they can be moulded to become

almost

anything the holder wants.

 

It is easy to forget that the word itself holds no meaning.

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , epston wrote:

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> In a message dated 3/5/2006 3:12:00 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> lissbon2002 writes:

>

> > >belief is resistence to what is,

> > >and resistence to what is

> > >is violence

> > >

> > >

> > >Bill

> >

>

> L.E: WHAT IS includes everything, even your belief, even your

resistence,

> even your violence. Everything!

>

> Larry Epston

 

 

That´s true, but a belief is something which exists exclusively as a

thought/image.

 

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In a message dated 3/6/2006 5:48:33 AM Pacific Standard Time,

lissbon2002 writes:

 

> L.E: WHAT IS includes everything, even your belief, even your

> resistence,

> >even your violence. Everything!

> >

> >Larry Epston

>

>

> That´s true, but a belief is something which exists exclusively as a

> thought/image.

>

> Len

 

L.E; I agree with that.

 

Larry Epston

 

 

 

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In a message dated 3/5/2006 10:28:49 PM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

Sun, 5 Mar 2006 19:14:59 EST

epston

Re: Re: Belief

 

In a message dated 3/5/2006 3:12:00 PM Pacific Standard Time,

lissbon2002 writes:

 

> >belief is resistence to what is,

> >and resistence to what is

> >is violence

> >

> >

> >Bill

>

 

L.E: WHAT IS includes everything, even your belief, even your resistence,

even your violence. Everything!

 

Larry Epston

 

 

 

And what happens when resistance is accepted? There is no resistance.

 

Phil

 

 

ADHHUB:

Nisargadatta: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 04:09:02 ESTRe:

Belief

In a message dated 3/5/2006 10:28:49 PM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

Sun, 5 Mar 2006 19:14:59 EST

epston

Re: Re: Belief

 

In a message dated 3/5/2006 3:12:00 PM Pacific Standard Time,

lissbon2002 writes:

 

> >belief is resistence to what is,

> >and resistence to what is

> >is violence

> >

> >

> >Bill

>

 

L.E: WHAT IS includes everything, even your belief, even your resistence,

even your violence. Everything!

 

Larry Epston

 

 

 

And what happens when resistance is accepted? There is no resistance.

 

Phil

 

 

L.E; Your statement makes no sense. If you have resistence it must have been

accepted.But that's not the issue. The statement was about belief being

resistence which can be seen as accurate in that a beliefis a though form which

is a resistence to no thought form or no opinion. But that crap about violence

also makesno sense. To me. Larry Epstonwww.epston.com

 

 

 

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In a message dated 3/16/2006 9:44:34 AM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:47:37 -0500

epston

Re: Belief

 

 

 

 

 

 

> >belief is resistence to what is,

> >and resistence to what is

> >is violence

> >

> >

> >Bill

>

 

L.E: WHAT IS includes everything, even your belief, even your resistence,

even your violence. Everything!

 

Larry Epston

 

 

 

And what happens when resistance is accepted? There is no resistance.

 

Phil

 

 

L.E; Your statement makes no sense. If you have resistence it must have

been accepted.But that's not the issue. The statement was about belief being

resistence which can be seen as accurate in that a beliefis a though form which

is a resistence to no thought form or no opinion. But that crap about

violence also makesno sense. To me. Larry Epston

 

 

My comment was a tangent rather than a disagreement.

Resistance and acceptance are diametrically opposed in the mind. If one

invites resistance, resistance dissolves. This is actually very useful because

what's normally done is that the mind is asked to let go of resistance, and the

mind, being a doing thing, cannot figure out how to do this. The idea of

encouraging resistance is a 'doing' thing, and as mind attempts to cause

resistance to occur, it finds that the willingness to resist ends the

resistance.

 

My suggestion would be to give it a try the next time resistance occurs. The

more successful you are, the more you will fail.

 

Phil

 

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 3/16/2006 9:44:34 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> Nisargadatta writes:

>

> Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:47:37 -0500

> epston

> Re: Belief

> >belief is resistence to what is,

> > >and resistence to what is

> > >is violence

> > >

> > >

> > >Bill

> >

>

> L.E: WHAT IS includes everything, even your belief, even your resistence,

> even your violence. Everything!

>

> Larry Epston

>

>

>

> And what happens when resistance is accepted? There is no resistance.

>

> Phil

>

 

 

Acceptance is violence.

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain

wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 3/16/2006 9:44:34 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> > Nisargadatta writes:

> >

> > Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:47:37 -0500

> > epston@

> > Re: Belief

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > >belief is resistence to what is,

> > > >and resistence to what is

> > > >is violence

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >Bill

> > >

> >

> > L.E: WHAT IS includes everything, even your belief, even your

resistence,

> > even your violence. Everything!

> >

> > Larry Epston

> >

> >

> >

> > And what happens when resistance is accepted? There is no

resistance.

> >

> > Phil

> >

>

>

> Acceptance is violence.

>

>

> toombaru

 

and also:)

 

violence is Acceptance

 

Marc

 

 

Ps: what is the name of this word-game in here?

" Acceptance is violence " ....i thought that this subject was already a

game of the past

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