Guest guest Posted March 3, 2006 Report Share Posted March 3, 2006 Belief is violence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2006 Report Share Posted March 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > Belief is violence. do you belief so? Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2006 Report Share Posted March 3, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Belief is violence. > > > > > > do you belief so? > > > > Marc > > Marc, Any discussion can be ended abruptly with a clever retort. If it is your wish to dismiss an idea which can offer a window into the self's essential vacuity......then play this as if it is a verbal chess game. Sometime.......you will have to come out here in the open......or maybe not.> toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 In a message dated 3/3/2006 2:14:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 15:25:21 -0000 " toombaru2006 " <lastrain Belief Belief is violence. PhilA: I spose you're gonna ask about that too. PhilB: Well, I was just wondering........ PhilA: Look, he never even answered ya last time. Why bother? PhilB: Well......yeah, I guess you're right. PhilA: I'm always right! PhilB: Are not! PhilA: Am so! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 --- ADHHUB a écrit : In a message dated 3/3/2006 2:14:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 15:25:21 -0000 " toombaru2006 " <lastrain Belief Belief is violence. PhilA: I spose you're gonna ask about that too. PhilB: Well, I was just wondering........ PhilA: Look, he never even answered ya last time. Why bother? PhilB: Well......yeah, I guess you're right. PhilA: I'm always right! PhilB: Are not! PhilA: Am so! write his name in bold letters in Object,.. He won`t resist that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/3/2006 2:14:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Fri, 03 Mar 2006 15:25:21 -0000 > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain > Belief > > > > > Belief is violence. > > > > PhilA: I spose you're gonna ask about that too. > > PhilB: Well, I was just wondering........ > > PhilA: Look, he never even answered ya last time. Why bother? > > PhilB: Well......yeah, I guess you're right. > > PhilA: I'm always right! > > PhilB: Are not! > > PhilA: Am so! > Did I miss a question? I'm afraid that I do not read every post. If there is anything ask ........I try to answer.....It is known here that it is always and only my self asking ....and then....my self diving in to the unknown....searching for clarification. What question did I miss? Do you want to discuss the " Belief is violence " idea?......because when it was written... there was just a hint of what it meant here...... As it is discussed......it more and more........becomes clear. Something very odd happens......a concept arises.....other concepts flow along...sometimes together ....sometime apart.....and then they all disappear into each other...like they never were. Something else bubbles up...that seeks resolution.... and all that is smiles and invites me for coffee and a scone. Your input is a treasure that is very valuable to this......process. and I thank you for that. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 In a message dated 3/4/2006 8:44:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 08:03:10 -0000 " toombaru2006 " <lastrain Re: Belief Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/3/2006 2:14:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Fri, 03 Mar 2006 15:25:21 -0000 > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain > Belief > > > > > Belief is violence. > > > > PhilA: I spose you're gonna ask about that too. > > PhilB: Well, I was just wondering........ > > PhilA: Look, he never even answered ya last time. Why bother? > > PhilB: Well......yeah, I guess you're right. > > PhilA: I'm always right! > > PhilB: Are not! > > PhilA: Am so! > Did I miss a question? I'm afraid that I do not read every post. If there is anything ask ........I try to answer.....It is known here that it is always and only my self asking ....and then....my self diving in to the unknown....searching for clarification. What question did I miss? Do you want to discuss the " Belief is violence " idea?......because when it was written... there was just a hint of what it meant here...... As it is discussed......it more and more........becomes clear. Something very odd happens......a concept arises.....other concepts flow along...sometimes together ....sometime apart.....and then they all disappear into each other...like they never were. Something else bubbles up...that seeks resolution.... and all that is smiles and invites me for coffee and a scone. Your input is a treasure that is very valuable to this......process. and I thank you for that. toombaru Yer welcome. Yes, there's a similar process going on here that's helpful. As far as missing anything, it was just another cutsy PhilA/B thing regarding your statement that acceptance is violence. Now belief is violence, which registers only in the sense that beliefs limit and separate. Acceptance is only 'violence' in the sense that effort is expended. True acceptance is effortless. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 > > In a message dated 3/4/2006 8:44:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Sat, 04 Mar 2006 08:03:10 -0000 > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain > Re: Belief > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: >> >> >> In a message dated 3/3/2006 2:14:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, >> Nisargadatta writes: >> >> Fri, 03 Mar 2006 15:25:21 -0000 >> " toombaru2006 " <lastrain >> Belief >> >> >> >> >> Belief is violence. >> >> >> >> PhilA: I spose you're gonna ask about that too. >> >> PhilB: Well, I was just wondering........ >> >> PhilA: Look, he never even answered ya last time. Why bother? >> >> PhilB: Well......yeah, I guess you're right. >> >> PhilA: I'm always right! >> >> PhilB: Are not! >> >> PhilA: Am so! >> > > Did I miss a question? > > I'm afraid that I do not read every post. > > If there is anything ask ........I try to answer.....It is known here > that > it is always and only > my self asking ....and then....my self diving in to the > unknown....searching > for clarification. > > What question did I miss? > > Do you want to discuss the " Belief is violence " idea?......because when > it > was written... > there was just a hint of what it meant here...... > > As it is discussed......it more and more........becomes clear. > > Something very odd happens......a concept arises.....other concepts flow > along...sometimes > together ....sometime apart.....and then they all disappear into each > other...like they never > were. > > Something else bubbles up...that seeks resolution.... and all that is > smiles > and invites me > for coffee and a scone. > > > Your input is a treasure that is very valuable to this......process. > > and I thank you for that. > > > toombaru > > > > Yer welcome. Yes, there's a similar process going on here that's helpful. > As far as missing anything, it was just another cutsy PhilA/B thing > regarding your statement that acceptance is violence. Now belief is > violence, which > registers only in the sense that beliefs limit and separate. Acceptance is > only 'violence' in the sense that effort is expended. True acceptance is > effortless. > > Phil ...were it so, that it were so... to say YES to This, the coffee, scone and smile would ever be enough said, enough asked and enough shared... along with a hug and a bow, namaste my Beloveds > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 > > > Yer welcome. Yes, there's a similar process going on here that's helpful. > As far as missing anything, it was just another cutsy PhilA/B thing > regarding your statement that acceptance is violence. Now belief is violence, which > registers only in the sense that beliefs limit and separate. Acceptance is > only 'violence' in the sense that effort is expended. True acceptance is > effortless. > > Phil > " Acceptance " is a description of a perceived process that welcomes the existence of some-thing perceived and a perceiver. Acceptance is a welcoming whose existence requires a polar opposite which would be a rejecting....Acceptance implies a selective action. Some-thing is accepted....something else is rejected based on perceived value to an imaginary center. Infinity has no center........nothing in which " acceptance " could find a home.....and no isolated thing or event that could be accepted. Does the ocean accept the rain? Does an animal accept the pain? Acceptance is violence. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 > >> >> >> Yer welcome. Yes, there's a similar process going on here that's >> helpful. >> As far as missing anything, it was just another cutsy PhilA/B thing >> regarding your statement that acceptance is violence. Now belief is >> violence, which >> registers only in the sense that beliefs limit and separate. Acceptance >> is >> only 'violence' in the sense that effort is expended. True acceptance is >> effortless. >> >> Phil >> > > " Acceptance " is a description of a perceived process that welcomes the > existence of > some-thing perceived and a perceiver. > > Acceptance is a welcoming whose existence requires a polar opposite which > would be a > rejecting....Acceptance implies a selective action. > > Some-thing is accepted....something else is rejected based on perceived > value to an > imaginary center. > > Infinity has no center........nothing in which " acceptance " could find a > home.....and no > isolated thing or event that could be accepted. > > Does the ocean accept the rain? > > Does an animal accept the pain? > > > Acceptance is violence. > > > toombaru perhaps my Toombaru, we can call acceptance the violet's longing for surrender to the rain... Ana > > > > > > ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your > subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta > group and click on Save Changes. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 > t: > > Belief is violence. > true enough belief is resistence to what is, and resistence to what is is violence Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 In a message dated 3/5/2006 3:12:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, lissbon2002 writes: > >belief is resistence to what is, > >and resistence to what is > >is violence > > > > > >Bill > L.E: WHAT IS includes everything, even your belief, even your resistence, even your violence. Everything! Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > > t: > > > > Belief is violence. > > > > true enough > > belief is resistence to what is, > and resistence to what is > is violence > > > Bill Not necessarily resistance to what is, but an image of what is not. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 In a message dated 3/5/2006 5:34:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 07:59:34 -0000 " toombaru2006 " <lastrain Re: Belief > > > Yer welcome. Yes, there's a similar process going on here that's helpful. > As far as missing anything, it was just another cutsy PhilA/B thing > regarding your statement that acceptance is violence. Now belief is violence, which > registers only in the sense that beliefs limit and separate. Acceptance is > only 'violence' in the sense that effort is expended. True acceptance is > effortless. > > Phil > " Acceptance " is a description of a perceived process that welcomes the existence of some-thing perceived and a perceiver. Acceptance is a welcoming whose existence requires a polar opposite which would be a rejecting....Acceptance implies a selective action. Some-thing is accepted....something else is rejected based on perceived value to an imaginary center. Infinity has no center........nothing in which " acceptance " could find a home.....and no isolated thing or event that could be accepted. Does the ocean accept the rain? Does an animal accept the pain? Acceptance is violence. toombaru Okay, I see where yer comin from. In my lingo, a focus on acceptance is of course dualistic, and energizes a field of consciousness that contains both acceptance and nonacceptance. This is how all dualities are created. Howsoever, acceptance is not something that is done; the word does not describe a doing or something that is brought about through an act of will, but merely describes the presence of a condition. Acceptance can be present, and this is not violence. Rather, it ends violence. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 In a message dated 3/5/2006 5:34:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 04:44:35 -0800 (PST) annaruiz Re: Re: Belief > >> >> >> Yer welcome. Yes, there's a similar process going on here that's >> helpful. >> As far as missing anything, it was just another cutsy PhilA/B thing >> regarding your statement that acceptance is violence. Now belief is >> violence, which >> registers only in the sense that beliefs limit and separate. Acceptance >> is >> only 'violence' in the sense that effort is expended. True acceptance is >> effortless. >> >> Phil >> > > " Acceptance " is a description of a perceived process that welcomes the > existence of > some-thing perceived and a perceiver. > > Acceptance is a welcoming whose existence requires a polar opposite which > would be a > rejecting....Acceptance implies a selective action. > > Some-thing is accepted....something else is rejected based on perceived > value to an > imaginary center. > > Infinity has no center........nothing in which " acceptance " could find a > home.....and no > isolated thing or event that could be accepted. > > Does the ocean accept the rain? > > Does an animal accept the pain? > > > Acceptance is violence. > > > toombaru perhaps my Toombaru, we can call acceptance the violet's longing for surrender to the rain... Ana Lets not, and say we did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 In a message dated 3/5/2006 10:28:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 19:14:59 EST epston Re: Re: Belief In a message dated 3/5/2006 3:12:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, lissbon2002 writes: > >belief is resistence to what is, > >and resistence to what is > >is violence > > > > > >Bill > L.E: WHAT IS includes everything, even your belief, even your resistence, even your violence. Everything! Larry Epston And what happens when resistance is accepted? There is no resistance. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 In a message dated 3/5/2006 10:28:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 05:50:06 -0000 " toombaru2006 " <lastrain Re: Belief Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/5/2006 5:34:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Sun, 05 Mar 2006 07:59:34 -0000 > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain > Re: Belief > > > > > > > > Yer welcome. Yes, there's a similar process going on here that's helpful. > > As far as missing anything, it was just another cutsy PhilA/B thing > > regarding your statement that acceptance is violence. Now belief is > violence, which > > registers only in the sense that beliefs limit and separate. Acceptance is > > > only 'violence' in the sense that effort is expended. True acceptance is > > effortless. > > > > Phil > > > > " Acceptance " is a description of a perceived process that welcomes the > existence of > some-thing perceived and a perceiver. > > Acceptance is a welcoming whose existence requires a polar opposite which > would be a > rejecting....Acceptance implies a selective action. > > Some-thing is accepted....something else is rejected based on perceived > value to an > imaginary center. > > Infinity has no center........nothing in which " acceptance " could find a > home.....and no > isolated thing or event that could be accepted. > > Does the ocean accept the rain? > > Does an animal accept the pain? > > > Acceptance is violence. > > > toombaru > > > > Okay, I see where yer comin from. In my lingo, a focus on acceptance is of > course dualistic, and energizes a field of consciousness that contains both > acceptance and nonacceptance. This is how all dualities are created. > > Howsoever, acceptance is not something that is done; the word does not > describe a doing or something that is brought about through an act of will, but > merely describes the presence of a condition. Acceptance can be present, and > this is not violence. Rather, it ends violence. > > Phil > > > acceptance n 1: the mental attitude that something is believable and should be accepted as true; " he gave credence to the gossip " ; " acceptance of Newtonian mechanics was unquestioned for 200 years " [syn: credence] 2: the act of accepting with approval; favorable reception; " its adoption by society " ; " the proposal found wide acceptance " [syn: adoption, acceptation, espousal] 3: the state of being acceptable and accepted; " torn jeans received no acceptance at the country club " [ant: rejection] 4: (contract law) words signifying consent to the terms of an offer (thereby creating a contract) 5: banking: a time draft drawn on and accepted by a bank [syn: banker's acceptance] 6: a disposition to tolerate or accept people or situations; " all people should practice toleration and live together in peace " [syn: toleration, sufferance] 7: the act of taking something that is offered; " her acceptance of the gift encouraged him " ; " he anticipated their acceptance of his offer " We are perhaps...discussing a different concept. toombaru Definitions?..........We've resorted to dictionary definitions? Okay, then. I'll take these partial entries: " the state of being acceptable and accepted " " a disposition to tolerate or accept " I called it, " The presence of a condition (of acceptance) " Is there disagreement simply for the sake of disagreement here? Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/5/2006 5:34:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Sun, 05 Mar 2006 07:59:34 -0000 > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain > Re: Belief > > > > > > > > Yer welcome. Yes, there's a similar process going on here that's helpful. > > As far as missing anything, it was just another cutsy PhilA/B thing > > regarding your statement that acceptance is violence. Now belief is > violence, which > > registers only in the sense that beliefs limit and separate. Acceptance is > > > only 'violence' in the sense that effort is expended. True acceptance is > > effortless. > > > > Phil > > > > " Acceptance " is a description of a perceived process that welcomes the > existence of > some-thing perceived and a perceiver. > > Acceptance is a welcoming whose existence requires a polar opposite which > would be a > rejecting....Acceptance implies a selective action. > > Some-thing is accepted....something else is rejected based on perceived > value to an > imaginary center. > > Infinity has no center........nothing in which " acceptance " could find a > home.....and no > isolated thing or event that could be accepted. > > Does the ocean accept the rain? > > Does an animal accept the pain? > > > Acceptance is violence. > > > toombaru > > > > Okay, I see where yer comin from. In my lingo, a focus on acceptance is of > course dualistic, and energizes a field of consciousness that contains both > acceptance and nonacceptance. This is how all dualities are created. > > Howsoever, acceptance is not something that is done; the word does not > describe a doing or something that is brought about through an act of will, but > merely describes the presence of a condition. Acceptance can be present, and > this is not violence. Rather, it ends violence. > > Phil > > > acceptance n 1: the mental attitude that something is believable and should be accepted as true; " he gave credence to the gossip " ; " acceptance of Newtonian mechanics was unquestioned for 200 years " [syn: credence] 2: the act of accepting with approval; favorable reception; " its adoption by society " ; " the proposal found wide acceptance " [syn: adoption, acceptation, espousal] 3: the state of being acceptable and accepted; " torn jeans received no acceptance at the country club " [ant: rejection] 4: (contract law) words signifying consent to the terms of an offer (thereby creating a contract) 5: banking: a time draft drawn on and accepted by a bank [syn: banker's acceptance] 6: a disposition to tolerate or accept people or situations; " all people should practice toleration and live together in peace " [syn: toleration, sufferance] 7: the act of taking something that is offered; " her acceptance of the gift encouraged him " ; " he anticipated their acceptance of his offer " We are perhaps...discussing a different concept. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/5/2006 5:34:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Sun, 5 Mar 2006 04:44:35 -0800 (PST) > annaruiz > Re: Re: Belief > > > > >> > >> > >> Yer welcome. Yes, there's a similar process going on here that's > >> helpful. > >> As far as missing anything, it was just another cutsy PhilA/B thing > >> regarding your statement that acceptance is violence. Now belief is > >> violence, which > >> registers only in the sense that beliefs limit and separate. Acceptance > >> is > >> only 'violence' in the sense that effort is expended. True acceptance is > >> effortless. > >> > >> Phil > >> > > > > " Acceptance " is a description of a perceived process that welcomes the > > existence of > > some-thing perceived and a perceiver. > > > > Acceptance is a welcoming whose existence requires a polar opposite which > > would be a > > rejecting....Acceptance implies a selective action. > > > > Some-thing is accepted....something else is rejected based on perceived > > value to an > > imaginary center. > > > > Infinity has no center........nothing in which " acceptance " could find a > > home.....and no > > isolated thing or event that could be accepted. > > > > Does the ocean accept the rain? > > > > Does an animal accept the pain? > > > > > > Acceptance is violence. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > perhaps my Toombaru, we can call acceptance the violet's longing > for surrender to the rain... > > Ana > > Well my love.......the trouble with words is they can be moulded to become almost anything the holder wants. It is easy to forget that the word itself holds no meaning. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 3/5/2006 3:12:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, > lissbon2002 writes: > > > >belief is resistence to what is, > > >and resistence to what is > > >is violence > > > > > > > > >Bill > > > > L.E: WHAT IS includes everything, even your belief, even your resistence, > even your violence. Everything! > > Larry Epston That´s true, but a belief is something which exists exclusively as a thought/image. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 In a message dated 3/6/2006 5:48:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, lissbon2002 writes: > L.E: WHAT IS includes everything, even your belief, even your > resistence, > >even your violence. Everything! > > > >Larry Epston > > > That´s true, but a belief is something which exists exclusively as a > thought/image. > > Len L.E; I agree with that. Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 ADHHUB Nisargadatta Mon, 6 Mar 2006 04:09:02 EST Re: Belief In a message dated 3/5/2006 10:28:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 19:14:59 EST epston Re: Re: Belief In a message dated 3/5/2006 3:12:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, lissbon2002 writes: > >belief is resistence to what is, > >and resistence to what is > >is violence > > > > > >Bill > L.E: WHAT IS includes everything, even your belief, even your resistence, even your violence. Everything! Larry Epston And what happens when resistance is accepted? There is no resistance. Phil ADHHUB: Nisargadatta: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 04:09:02 ESTRe: Belief In a message dated 3/5/2006 10:28:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 19:14:59 EST epston Re: Re: Belief In a message dated 3/5/2006 3:12:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, lissbon2002 writes: > >belief is resistence to what is, > >and resistence to what is > >is violence > > > > > >Bill > L.E: WHAT IS includes everything, even your belief, even your resistence, even your violence. Everything! Larry Epston And what happens when resistance is accepted? There is no resistance. Phil L.E; Your statement makes no sense. If you have resistence it must have been accepted.But that's not the issue. The statement was about belief being resistence which can be seen as accurate in that a beliefis a though form which is a resistence to no thought form or no opinion. But that crap about violence also makesno sense. To me. Larry Epstonwww.epston.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 In a message dated 3/16/2006 9:44:34 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:47:37 -0500 epston Re: Belief > >belief is resistence to what is, > >and resistence to what is > >is violence > > > > > >Bill > L.E: WHAT IS includes everything, even your belief, even your resistence, even your violence. Everything! Larry Epston And what happens when resistance is accepted? There is no resistance. Phil L.E; Your statement makes no sense. If you have resistence it must have been accepted.But that's not the issue. The statement was about belief being resistence which can be seen as accurate in that a beliefis a though form which is a resistence to no thought form or no opinion. But that crap about violence also makesno sense. To me. Larry Epston My comment was a tangent rather than a disagreement. Resistance and acceptance are diametrically opposed in the mind. If one invites resistance, resistance dissolves. This is actually very useful because what's normally done is that the mind is asked to let go of resistance, and the mind, being a doing thing, cannot figure out how to do this. The idea of encouraging resistance is a 'doing' thing, and as mind attempts to cause resistance to occur, it finds that the willingness to resist ends the resistance. My suggestion would be to give it a try the next time resistance occurs. The more successful you are, the more you will fail. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/16/2006 9:44:34 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:47:37 -0500 > epston > Re: Belief > >belief is resistence to what is, > > >and resistence to what is > > >is violence > > > > > > > > >Bill > > > > L.E: WHAT IS includes everything, even your belief, even your resistence, > even your violence. Everything! > > Larry Epston > > > > And what happens when resistance is accepted? There is no resistance. > > Phil > Acceptance is violence. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 3/16/2006 9:44:34 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:47:37 -0500 > > epston@ > > Re: Belief > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >belief is resistence to what is, > > > >and resistence to what is > > > >is violence > > > > > > > > > > > >Bill > > > > > > > L.E: WHAT IS includes everything, even your belief, even your resistence, > > even your violence. Everything! > > > > Larry Epston > > > > > > > > And what happens when resistance is accepted? There is no resistance. > > > > Phil > > > > > Acceptance is violence. > > > toombaru and also:) violence is Acceptance Marc Ps: what is the name of this word-game in here? " Acceptance is violence " ....i thought that this subject was already a game of the past Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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