Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 ....................................... > Pooh`s honey represents its love of beingness, >> > Patricia > > > Nisargadatta tells us that our love of being (the illusion of I am) is the crux of our problem. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 In a message dated 3/3/2006 11:35:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 23:43:02 +0100 (CET) OConnor Patricia <gdtige RE: Re: Is There an Inside, a Within?(silver) > > > > welcome back....from....here and there > > > > Marc > > > > > > Ps: the drums beats could have the rythme of the ..... > > > ....the mentionned honey ......is the one " Consciousness " .......some > people are not aware of > > wish a good fly ********************* I'm not really sure what the honey represents in all the Pooh stories. I can't remember. But whatever it is, I like it and can't seem to get enough of it! " Silver " ............................................. Pooh`s honey represents its love of beingness, It is the simple things in life, the indisputable goodness of a lick of honey, Even Marc cannot denie. I`ll bring a jar by the Abyss tonight, sparkle that mugwort.. Patricia Hey, can ya bring a boom box and some CDs too? I'm a little concerned about having to listen to Silver's drumming all night long. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 In a message dated 3/3/2006 11:35:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 01:39:10 -0000 " toombaru2006 " <lastrain Re: Is There an Inside, a Within?(silver) ....................................... > Pooh`s honey represents its love of beingness, >> > Patricia > > > Nisargadatta tells us that our love of being (the illusion of I am) is the crux of our problem. toombaru Yes, indeedy, which brings up the question, is there really a 'problem'? Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/3/2006 11:35:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Sat, 04 Mar 2006 01:39:10 -0000 > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain > Re: Is There an Inside, a Within?(silver) > > ...................................... > > Pooh`s honey represents its love of beingness, > >> > > Patricia > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta tells us that our love of being (the illusion of I am) is the > crux of our problem. > > > > toombaru > > > > > Yes, indeedy, which brings up the question, is there really a 'problem'? > > Phil > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 3/3/2006 11:35:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > Sat, 04 Mar 2006 01:39:10 -0000 > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > Re: Is There an Inside, a Within?(silver) > > > > ...................................... > > > Pooh`s honey represents its love of beingness, > > >> > > > Patricia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta tells us that our love of being (the illusion of I am) is the > > crux of our problem. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > Yes, indeedy, which brings up the question, is there really a 'problem'? > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/3/2006 11:35:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > Sat, 04 Mar 2006 01:39:10 -0000 > > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > Re: Is There an Inside, a Within?(silver) > > > > > > ...................................... > > > > Pooh`s honey represents its love of beingness, > > > >> > > > > Patricia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta tells us that our love of being (the illusion of > I am) is the > > > crux of our problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, indeedy, which brings up the question, is there really > a 'problem'? > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 In a message dated 3/4/2006 1:30:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, lissbon2002 writes: > > " Facts " exist only in thought. > > > >toombaru > > > nonsense. > > Len > L.E: Depends how you look at it, and who is looking, if anybody. Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 In a message dated 3/4/2006 1:35:06 PM Pacific Standard Time, lissbon2002 writes: > > Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > > >In a message dated 3/4/2006 1:30:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, > >lissbon2002 writes: > > > >>> " Facts " exist only in thought. > >>> > >>>toombaru > >> > >> > >>nonsense. > >> > >>Len > >> > > > >L.E: Depends how you look at it, and who is looking, if anybody. > > > >Larry > > > You see, I don´t think about it, I just look. > > Len > L.E: " I? " So there are two of you, the looker and what is seen, separate and disconnected? Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 In a message dated 3/4/2006 1:40:06 PM Pacific Standard Time, lissbon2002 writes: > > I look. Period :-) > > Len L.E: Did you just write, " Period :-) ?. " Wouldn't it be accurate to say just that looking occurs? Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/3/2006 11:35:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > > > Sat, 04 Mar 2006 01:39:10 -0000 > > > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > Re: Is There an Inside, a Within?(silver) > > > > > > > > ...................................... > > > > > Pooh`s honey represents its love of beingness, > > > > >> > > > > > Patricia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta tells us that our love of being (the illusion of > > I am) is the > > > > crux of our problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, indeedy, which brings up the question, is there really > > a 'problem'? > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 3/4/2006 1:30:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, > lissbon2002 writes: > > > > " Facts " exist only in thought. > > > > > >toombaru > > > > > > nonsense. > > > > Len > > > > L.E: Depends how you look at it, and who is looking, if anybody. > > Larry You see, I don´t think about it, I just look. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 3/4/2006 1:35:06 PM Pacific Standard Time, > lissbon2002 writes: > > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > >In a message dated 3/4/2006 1:30:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > >lissbon2002@ writes: > > > > > >>> " Facts " exist only in thought. > > >>> > > >>>toombaru > > >> > > >> > > >>nonsense. > > >> > > >>Len > > >> > > > > > >L.E: Depends how you look at it, and who is looking, if anybody. > > > > > >Larry > > > > > > You see, I don´t think about it, I just look. > > > > Len > > > > L.E: " I? " So there are two of you, the looker and what is seen, separate and > disconnected? > > Larry I look. Period :-) Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 In a message dated 3/4/2006 4:21:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, lastrain writes: > >>>> " Facts " exist only in thought. > >>>> > >>>>toombaru > >>> > >>> > >>>nonsense. > >>> > >>>Len > >>> > >> > >> > >>Can you tell me of a fact that exists outside of thought? > >> > >> > >>toombaru > > > > > >Feel your breath. > > > >Len > > > > > " My' breath? > > > toombaru > L.E: Len thinks that perception exists outside of thought it seems. Toombaru thinks everything said is thoughts and beliefs. Those who are not expressing concepts can find something else to do. The game is; look at me, I'm not in an ego state but you are. Ha ha, what a joke! Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 3/4/2006 1:40:06 PM Pacific Standard Time, > lissbon2002 writes: > > > > > I look. Period :-) > > > > Len > > L.E: Did you just write, " Period :-) ?. " Wouldn't it be accurate to say just > that looking occurs? > > Larry Well, I´m not being politically corect ;-) Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 > > > > " Facts " exist only in thought. > > > > toombaru > > > nonsense. > > Len > Can you tell me of a fact that exists outside of thought? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > In a message dated 3/4/2006 1:30:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > lissbon2002@ writes: > > > > > > " Facts " exist only in thought. > > > > > > > >toombaru > > > > > > > > > nonsense. > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > L.E: Depends how you look at it, and who is looking, if anybody. > > > > Larry > > > You see, I don´t think about it, I just look. > > Len > No..........you are the looking. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 In a message dated 3/4/2006 8:44:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 14:12:32 -0000 " toombaru2006 " <lastrain Re: Is There an Inside, a Within?(silver) Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/3/2006 11:35:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Sat, 04 Mar 2006 01:39:10 -0000 > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain > Re: Is There an Inside, a Within?(silver) > > ...................................... > > Pooh`s honey represents its love of beingness, > >> > > Patricia > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta tells us that our love of being (the illusion of I am) is the > crux of our problem. > > > > toombaru > > > > > Yes, indeedy, which brings up the question, is there really a 'problem'? > > Phil > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Only in mind. toombaru Yeah, it's only a problem in the mind, but that includes our entire experience so I can't dismiss it. However, the point was that perhaps it's only a problem because of a lack of understanding about what is really desired. If we really love the illusion, the idea that we want out of it is absurd. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 In a message dated 3/4/2006 8:44:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 14:20:55 -0000 " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 Re: Is There an Inside, a Within?(silver) Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 3/3/2006 11:35:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > Sat, 04 Mar 2006 01:39:10 -0000 > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > Re: Is There an Inside, a Within?(silver) > > > > ...................................... > > > Pooh`s honey represents its love of beingness, > > >> > > > Patricia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta tells us that our love of being (the illusion of I am) is the > > crux of our problem. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > Yes, indeedy, which brings up the question, is there really a 'problem'? > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Only in mind. > > > toombaru Thought is the only problem. That´s why it´s so important to discern it from facts. len Okay, so you see a factual world, and you see thinking about that factual world as different and problematic. Fine, whatever. So, does not thinking yield the same facts to everyone? You figure we can perceive and experience and make 'choices' and come up with facts without thought? Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > > > > " Facts " exist only in thought. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > nonsense. > > > > Len > > > > > Can you tell me of a fact that exists outside of thought? > > > toombaru Feel your breath. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 3/4/2006 1:30:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > > lissbon2002@ writes: > > > > > > > > " Facts " exist only in thought. > > > > > > > > > >toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > nonsense. > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > L.E: Depends how you look at it, and who is looking, if anybody. > > > > > > Larry > > > > > > You see, I don´t think about it, I just look. > > > > Len > > > > > > No..........you are the looking. > > > toombaru I don´t care :-) Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > " Facts " exist only in thought. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > nonsense. > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > Can you tell me of a fact that exists outside of thought? > > > > > > toombaru > > > Feel your breath. > > Len > " My' breath? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/4/2006 1:30:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > > > lissbon2002@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > " Facts " exist only in thought. > > > > > > > > > > > >toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nonsense. > > > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > > > L.E: Depends how you look at it, and who is looking, if > anybody. > > > > > > > > Larry > > > > > > > > > You see, I don´t think about it, I just look. > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > No..........you are the looking. > > > > > > toombaru > > > I don´t care :-) > > Len > You still think that there is an I to care? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 In a message dated 3/4/2006 7:20:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 21:34:56 -0000 " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 Re: Is There an Inside, a Within?(silver) Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 3/4/2006 1:30:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, > lissbon2002 writes: > > > > " Facts " exist only in thought. > > > > > >toombaru > > > > > > nonsense. > > > > Len > > > > L.E: Depends how you look at it, and who is looking, if anybody. > > Larry You see, I don´t think about it, I just look. Len Thinking is not required (much) in order to 'see', but it seems to me that what you're looking at is physicality rather than consciousness, which is the source of physicality, and so what you believe to be a fact is actually the product of consciousness. Thought is what brings about this product of consciousness. How ironic. In your distaste for thought, all that you can see is the product of your thought, but you can't see that this is so. Phil Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 In a message dated 3/4/2006 7:20:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 00:14:41 -0000 " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 Re: Is There an Inside, a Within?(silver) Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > > > > " Facts " exist only in thought. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > nonsense. > > > > Len > > > > > Can you tell me of a fact that exists outside of thought? > > > toombaru Feel your breath. Len Here's something else for 'you' to 'think' about: Feeling arises from thought. If you're feeling, the thought (which is 'you' perceiving the breath) already snuck by without you noticing it. It can do this because, while you haven't given up thinking, you have given up noticing the thinking. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/4/2006 7:20:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Sat, 04 Mar 2006 21:34:56 -0000 > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 > Re: Is There an Inside, a Within?(silver) > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > In a message dated 3/4/2006 1:30:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > lissbon2002@ writes: > > > > > > " Facts " exist only in thought. > > > > > > > >toombaru > > > > > > > > > nonsense. > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > L.E: Depends how you look at it, and who is looking, if anybody. > > > > Larry > > > You see, I don´t think about it, I just look. > > Len > > > > Thinking is not required (much) in order to 'see', but it seems to me that > what you're looking at is physicality rather than consciousness, which is the > source of physicality, and so what you believe to be a fact is actually the > product of consciousness. Thought is what brings about this product of > consciousness. How ironic. In your distaste for thought, all that you can see is the > product of your thought, but you can't see that this is so. > > Phil > > Indeed. It cannot be 'seen' from within the individual, space-time, conceptual existence which is subject to the temporal and illusory process of causation. It can be intuited but never experienced through the mechanism if the illusory " I " . Mysteriously... when the attachment or identification is found not to exist...or ever to have existed....the understanding spreads out into the emptiness. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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