Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 ok, the void for you then! make sure to write home! have a safe trip... we'll have a talk on the rebound. - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Sunday, March 05, 2006 10:26 AM Re: Is There an Inside, a Within?(silver) Nisargadatta , " Fred " <thejman wrote: > > careful.... that way leads to the void. missing the essentials of love is a common ego error The ego thinking that its concept of 'love' is of any value whatsoever.....is a much more common error....almost as common as the belief that it can think its way into heaven. toombaru ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 weariness is a gift given to people with too much ego.... >;-) - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Sunday, March 05, 2006 10:29 AM Re: Is There an Inside, a Within?(silver) Nisargadatta , " Fred " <thejman wrote: > > bliss is sometimes a stopping space in the continuum of Truth. > - A few shops of bliss...and the ego is merely fueled...(fooled). There is no place for man to rest his weary head. toombaru ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 In a message dated 3/5/2006 3:32:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, lissbon2002 writes: > I haven´t give up noticing anything. It really doesn´t take a > thought to perceive a thought. Thought itself cannot perceive, it´s > an image producing process, which you can see very well when you > observe it. > > Len > > I agree with Len. > > Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 In a message dated 3/5/2006 3:06:18 PM Pacific Standard Time, lissbon2002 writes: > I look at everything which is in some way perceivable, including > thoughts. > > Len L.E: I agree with Len. Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 In a message dated 3/5/2006 6:03:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, lastrain writes: > In Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > > >In a message dated 3/5/2006 3:32:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, > >lissbon2002 writes: > > > >>I haven´t give up noticing anything. It really doesn´t take a > >>thought to perceive a thought. Thought itself cannot perceive, it´s > >>an image producing process, which you can see very well when you > >>observe it. > >> > >>Len > >> > >>I agree with Len. > >> > >>Larry > > > > > > Nope..........'You' are not separate from the 'thought'. > > Go to the corner with Stephen. > > toombaru > > > L.E: He didn't say he was separate from the 'thought. " He said: " It really doesn´t take a thought to perceive a thought. Thought itself cannot perceive,. " Reading skills problem? Larry Epston > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Facts " exist only in thought. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > nonsense. > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you tell me of a fact that exists outside of thought? > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Feel your breath. > > > > Len > > > > > " My' breath? > > > toombaru Don´t think, feel. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/4/2006 1:30:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > > > > lissbon2002@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > " Facts " exist only in thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nonsense. > > > > > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > L.E: Depends how you look at it, and who is looking, if > > anybody. > > > > > > > > > > Larry > > > > > > > > > > > > You see, I don´t think about it, I just look. > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No..........you are the looking. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > I don´t care :-) > > > > Len > > > > > You still think that there is an I to care? > > > toombaru I don´t think ;-) Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/4/2006 8:44:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Sat, 04 Mar 2006 14:12:32 -0000 > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain > Re: Is There an Inside, a Within?(silver) > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 3/3/2006 11:35:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > Sat, 04 Mar 2006 01:39:10 -0000 > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > Re: Is There an Inside, a Within?(silver) > > > > ...................................... > > > Pooh`s honey represents its love of beingness, > > >> > > > Patricia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta tells us that our love of being (the illusion of I am) is > the > > crux of our problem. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > Yes, indeedy, which brings up the question, is there really a 'problem'? > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Only in mind. > > > toombaru > > > > > Yeah, it's only a problem in the mind, but that includes our entire > experience Not if the problem is in thought. Then it doesn´t include our entire experience: when the thought is gone the problem is gone, but life goes on. Len > so I can't dismiss it. However, the point was that perhaps it's only a > problem because of a lack of understanding about what is really desired. If we > really love the illusion, the idea that we want out of it is absurd. > > Phil > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/4/2006 8:44:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Sat, 04 Mar 2006 14:20:55 -0000 > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 > Re: Is There an Inside, a Within?(silver) > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/3/2006 11:35:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > Sat, 04 Mar 2006 01:39:10 -0000 > > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > Re: Is There an Inside, a Within?(silver) > > > > > > ...................................... > > > > Pooh`s honey represents its love of beingness, > > > >> > > > > Patricia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta tells us that our love of being (the illusion of > I am) is the > > > crux of our problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, indeedy, which brings up the question, is there really > a 'problem'? > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > Only in mind. > > > > > > toombaru > > > Thought is the only problem. > That´s why it´s so important to discern it from facts. > > len > > > > > Okay, so you see a factual world, and you see thinking about that factual > world as different and problematic. Yes, only thinking makes it problematic. Thinking is responsible for al problematic emotions. > Fine, whatever. So, does not thinking yield > the same facts to everyone? You figure we can perceive and experience and > make 'choices' and come up with facts without thought? Thoughts which are creating problems, like thinking that something or someone should be different, can be recognized as absurd and vanish. The rest of thoughts will stay and do their job. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/4/2006 7:20:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Sat, 04 Mar 2006 21:34:56 -0000 > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 > Re: Is There an Inside, a Within?(silver) > You see, I don´t think about it, I just look. > > Len > Thinking is not required (much) in order to 'see', but it seems to me that > what you're looking at is physicality rather than consciousness, which is the > source of physicality, and so what you believe to be a fact is actually the > product of consciousness. Thought is what brings about this product of > consciousness. How ironic. In your distaste for thought, all that you can see is the > product of your thought, but you can't see that this is so. > > Phil I look at everything which is in some way perceivable, including thoughts. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/4/2006 7:20:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Sun, 05 Mar 2006 00:14:41 -0000 > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 > Re: Is There an Inside, a Within?(silver) > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > " Facts " exist only in thought. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > nonsense. > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > Can you tell me of a fact that exists outside of thought? > > > > > > toombaru > > > Feel your breath. > > Len > > > > Here's something else for 'you' to 'think' about: Feeling arises from > thought. If you're feeling, the thought (which is 'you' perceiving the breath) > already snuck by without you noticing it. It can do this because, while you > haven't given up thinking, you have given up noticing the thinking. > > Phil I haven´t give up noticing anything. It really doesn´t take a thought to perceive a thought. Thought itself cannot perceive, it´s an image producing process, which you can see very well when you observe it. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 3/4/2006 7:20:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > Sun, 05 Mar 2006 00:14:41 -0000 > > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > > Re: Is There an Inside, a Within?(silver) > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Facts " exist only in thought. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > nonsense. > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you tell me of a fact that exists outside of thought? > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Feel your breath. > > > > Len > > > > > > > > Here's something else for 'you' to 'think' about: Feeling arises > from > > thought. If you're feeling, the thought (which is 'you' perceiving > the breath) > > already snuck by without you noticing it. It can do this because, > while you > > haven't given up thinking, you have given up noticing the thinking. > > > > Phil > > > > I haven´t give up noticing anything. It really doesn´t take a > thought to perceive a thought. Thought itself cannot perceive, it´s > an image producing process, which you can see very well when you > observe it. > > Len > Nope.....thought just thinks it can. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 In a message dated 3/5/2006 9:24:41 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 09:57:32 EST epston Re: Is There an Inside, a Within?(silver) In a message dated 3/5/2006 4:08:19 AM Pacific Standard Time, annaruiz writes: > Can you tell me of a fact that exists outside of thought? > >> > >> > >> toombaru > > > > > >Feel your breath. > > > >Len > > > L.E: A sneeze, a yawn, a reflex. Larry You mean to say there's no thought associated with these events? How is it that you know they occur? Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 Yes indeedy. And nothing wrong with a rest stop now and then, unless one falls asleep in the parking lot and forgets where he was going. Phil In a message dated 3/5/2006 9:24:41 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 10:25:21 -0500 " Fred " <thejman Re: Is There an Inside, a Within?(silver) bliss is sometimes a stopping space in the continuum of Truth. - annaruiz Nisargadatta Sunday, March 05, 2006 7:07 AM Re: Is There an Inside, a Within?(silver) > > In a message dated 3/4/2006 7:20:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Sun, 05 Mar 2006 00:14:41 -0000 > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 > Re: Is There an Inside, a Within?(silver) > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain > wrote: >> >> >> > > >> > > " Facts " exist only in thought. >> > > >> > > toombaru >> > >> > >> > nonsense. >> > >> > Len >> > >> >> >> Can you tell me of a fact that exists outside of thought? >> >> >> toombaru > > > Feel your breath. > > Len > > > > Here's something else for 'you' to 'think' about: Feeling arises from > thought. If you're feeling, the thought (which is 'you' perceiving the > breath) > already snuck by without you noticing it. It can do this because, while > you > haven't given up thinking, you have given up noticing the thinking. > > Phil ...and then the long night ends and awakening happens as who is awakened in/as/of bliss, pure noticing .....This...Is. a reoccuring dream, lost in a stream of consciousness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 In a message dated 3/5/2006 9:24:41 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 15:36:48 -0000 " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba Re: Is There an Inside, a Within?(silver) Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain There is no place for man to rest his weary head. this is funny! It is?......Okay, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 3/5/2006 3:32:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, > lissbon2002 writes: > > > I haven´t give up noticing anything. It really doesn´t take a > > thought to perceive a thought. Thought itself cannot perceive, it´s > > an image producing process, which you can see very well when you > > observe it. > > > > Len > > > > I agree with Len. > > > > Larry > > Nope..........'You' are not separate from the 'thought'. Go to the corner with Stephen. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 3/5/2006 3:06:18 PM Pacific Standard Time, > lissbon2002 writes: > > > I look at everything which is in some way perceivable, including > > thoughts. > > > > Len > > L.E: I agree with Len. > > Larry > > Nope. A swing.....and a miss. Thinking that you are 'looking at thought' is merely another separate thought. (Now think about this) toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 In a message dated 3/5/2006 3:42:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 22:47:40 -0000 " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 Re: Is There an Inside, a Within?(silver) Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/4/2006 1:30:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > > > > lissbon2002@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > " Facts " exist only in thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nonsense. > > > > > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > L.E: Depends how you look at it, and who is looking, if > > anybody. > > > > > > > > > > Larry > > > > > > > > > > > > You see, I don´t think about it, I just look. > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No..........you are the looking. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > I don´t care :-) > > > > Len > > > > > You still think that there is an I to care? > > > toombaru I don´t think ;-) Len That's what you think. Hehe. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 In a message dated 3/5/2006 3:42:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 22:55:59 -0000 " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 Re: Is There an Inside, a Within?(silver) Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/4/2006 8:44:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Sat, 04 Mar 2006 14:12:32 -0000 > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain > Re: Is There an Inside, a Within?(silver) > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 3/3/2006 11:35:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > Sat, 04 Mar 2006 01:39:10 -0000 > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > Re: Is There an Inside, a Within?(silver) > > > > ...................................... > > > Pooh`s honey represents its love of beingness, > > >> > > > Patricia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta tells us that our love of being (the illusion of I am) is > the > > crux of our problem. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > Yes, indeedy, which brings up the question, is there really a 'problem'? > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Only in mind. > > > toombaru > > > > > Yeah, it's only a problem in the mind, but that includes our entire > experience Not if the problem is in thought. Then it doesn´t include our entire experience: when the thought is gone the problem is gone, but life goes on. Len Is it possible that " thought " covers a lot more territory than you presently allow? I would agree that thinking is the problem, but thought itself is part of the process of perception. Without thought, there is no sensory analysis or stored memories of the event. As such, there can be no experience. Does a brain dead person experience? Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 In a message dated 3/5/2006 3:42:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 23:01:09 -0000 " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 Re: Is There an Inside, a Within?(silver) Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/4/2006 8:44:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Sat, 04 Mar 2006 14:20:55 -0000 > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 > Re: Is There an Inside, a Within?(silver) > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/3/2006 11:35:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > Sat, 04 Mar 2006 01:39:10 -0000 > > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > Re: Is There an Inside, a Within?(silver) > > > > > > ...................................... > > > > Pooh`s honey represents its love of beingness, > > > >> > > > > Patricia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta tells us that our love of being (the illusion of > I am) is the > > > crux of our problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, indeedy, which brings up the question, is there really > a 'problem'? > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > Only in mind. > > > > > > toombaru > > > Thought is the only problem. > That´s why it´s so important to discern it from facts. > > len > > > > > Okay, so you see a factual world, and you see thinking about that factual > world as different and problematic. Yes, only thinking makes it problematic. Thinking is responsible for al problematic emotions. > Fine, whatever. So, does not thinking yield > the same facts to everyone? You figure we can perceive and experience and > make 'choices' and come up with facts without thought? Thoughts which are creating problems, like thinking that something or someone should be different, can be recognized as absurd and vanish. The rest of thoughts will stay and do their job. Len Okay, now maybe we're getting somewhere. Now there are absurd thoughts and there are okay thoughts that do their job. I agree, but a thinking process is required in order to distinguish between the two, and every ego will come to their own conclusion as to where to draw the line. One ego will notice that a misspelled word is not of any significance and another ego will think it reasonable or helpful to call the person an idiot. So, isn't the idea of selecting what to think and what not to think part of the process of perception itself, and therefore subjective, not definable or controllable or fundamentally meaningful? Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 In a message dated 3/5/2006 3:42:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 23:04:51 -0000 " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 Re: Is There an Inside, a Within?(silver) Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/4/2006 7:20:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Sat, 04 Mar 2006 21:34:56 -0000 > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 > Re: Is There an Inside, a Within?(silver) > You see, I don´t think about it, I just look. > > Len > Thinking is not required (much) in order to 'see', but it seems to me that > what you're looking at is physicality rather than consciousness, which is the > source of physicality, and so what you believe to be a fact is actually the > product of consciousness. Thought is what brings about this product of > consciousness. How ironic. In your distaste for thought, all that you can see is the > product of your thought, but you can't see that this is so. > > Phil I look at everything which is in some way perceivable, including thoughts. Len Yes, and it all requires thoughts, and so as Larry suggested, you do things pretty much the same way everybody else does. My suspicion is that you spend a lot of time observing your thoughts, which is not a new technique to anyone here, I would guess. Notice that, in order for you to perceive your thoughts, you first need to have the thought that you are going to do that, then you have to lose track of that thought, then allow another thought to arise, then remember that you wanted to monitor your thoughts, and then notice the thought that just occurred, which requires searching your memory from a fraction of a second ago, because you can't think one thought and watch it at the same time. The point is that there's a tremendous amount of mental processing going on all the time and only a small fraction of it ever becomes conscious. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 In a message dated 3/5/2006 3:42:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 23:08:06 -0000 " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 Re: Is There an Inside, a Within?(silver) Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/4/2006 7:20:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Sun, 05 Mar 2006 00:14:41 -0000 > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 > Re: Is There an Inside, a Within?(silver) > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > " Facts " exist only in thought. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > nonsense. > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > Can you tell me of a fact that exists outside of thought? > > > > > > toombaru > > > Feel your breath. > > Len > > > > Here's something else for 'you' to 'think' about: Feeling arises from > thought. If you're feeling, the thought (which is 'you' perceiving the breath) > already snuck by without you noticing it. It can do this because, while you > haven't given up thinking, you have given up noticing the thinking. > > Phil I haven´t give up noticing anything. It really doesn´t take a thought to perceive a thought. Thought itself cannot perceive, it´s an image producing process, which you can see very well when you observe it. Len It does take a thought to perceive a thought. Look very closely and see. Yes, thought works with images. Thought creates the images. Where else would they come from? Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 In a message dated 3/5/2006 10:28:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 21:28:46 EST epston Re: Re: Is There an Inside, a Within?(silver) In a message dated 3/5/2006 6:03:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, lastrain writes: > In Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > > >In a message dated 3/5/2006 3:32:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, > >lissbon2002 writes: > > > >>I haven´t give up noticing anything. It really doesn´t take a > >>thought to perceive a thought. Thought itself cannot perceive, it´s > >>an image producing process, which you can see very well when you > >>observe it. > >> > >>Len > >> > >>I agree with Len. > >> > >>Larry > > > > > > Nope..........'You' are not separate from the 'thought'. > > Go to the corner with Stephen. > > toombaru > > > L.E: He didn't say he was separate from the 'thought. " He said: " It really doesn´t take a thought to perceive a thought. Thought itself cannot perceive,. " Reading skills problem? Larry Epston What he's implying is that there is a thought and then there is a perceiver of a thought, which is to say something separate from the thought. Comprehension skills problem? Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 3/5/2006 6:03:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, > lastrain writes: > > > In Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > >In a message dated 3/5/2006 3:32:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > >lissbon2002@ writes: > > > > > >>I haven´t give up noticing anything. It really doesn´t take a > > >>thought to perceive a thought. Thought itself cannot perceive, it´s > > >>an image producing process, which you can see very well when you > > >>observe it. > > >> > > >>Len > > >> > > >>I agree with Len. > > >> > > >>Larry > > > > > > > > > > Nope..........'You' are not separate from the 'thought'. > > > > Go to the corner with Stephen. > > > > toombaru > > > > > > L.E: He didn't say he was separate from the 'thought. " > He said: " It really doesn´t take a thought to perceive a thought. Thought > itself cannot perceive,. " Reading skills problem? > > Larry Epston > > > > > > > Perhaps you could clarify what a thought actually is....and who has it. That may simplify this discussion. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/5/2006 10:28:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Sun, 5 Mar 2006 21:28:46 EST > epston > Re: Re: Is There an Inside, a Within?(silver) > > In a message dated 3/5/2006 6:03:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, > lastrain writes: > > > In Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > >In a message dated 3/5/2006 3:32:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > >lissbon2002@ writes: > > > > > >>I haven´t give up noticing anything. It really doesn´t take a > > >>thought to perceive a thought. Thought itself cannot perceive, it´s > > >>an image producing process, which you can see very well when you > > >>observe it. > > >> > > >>Len > > >> > > >>I agree with Len. > > >> > > >>Larry > > > > > > > > > > Nope..........'You' are not separate from the 'thought'. > > > > Go to the corner with Stephen. > > > > toombaru > > > > > > L.E: He didn't say he was separate from the 'thought. " > He said: " It really doesn´t take a thought to perceive a thought. Thought > itself cannot perceive,. " Reading skills problem? > > Larry Epston > > > > > What he's implying is that there is a thought and then there is a perceiver > of a thought, which is to say something separate from the thought. > Comprehension skills problem? > > Phil ******* Aww, shucks. That's what I wanted to write. Ya' beat me to it. Lol. " Silver " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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