Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 > Patricia wrote: > > Their has been a reoccuring dream, years old dream. > Maybe I finally understood some of its meaning at > three am last night. > So in the dream, every thing goes wrong, falling > litteraly into the dam abyss. (Silver, put that fence > up would you?) > And then...nothing...but my pounding heart, the end of > the world...nothing to hang on to...nothing...but a > terrible anguish.. > Last night, the rain was pelting on the window, wind > haolling... > Same dream... The suspension of time,...and this: > When my thoughts stop, > I worrie that I won`t be able to bring them back... > > Winnie the Pooh and his pal Patricia > > ~~~~~~~~~ > > Dear Patricia, > > Here is my interpretation of your dream: > > The dream reflects a crisis in the psyche brought > on by recent spiritual transformations that both > open new vistas and a sense of vast uncertainty. > > The only way forward is a reconciliation with the > uncertainty, a courageous embracing of the uncertainty > as true and good. > > To do so, however, entails a facing of ancient > fears, which now come up, as prompted by these recent > changes. > > The fear about the stopping of thoughts is only > symbolic of a fear of " losing one's grip " upon > entering into the Unknown. > > I quote below something by Jim Brooks (at least > I believe that is the author's name), that seems to > me to apply. > > > Bill > > > > Deep down you know that to look Withinwards is to > look into Nothingness. There is Nothing. And that is > scary, that frightens. > > At the very Core there is Nothingness. The wheel of > all moves on that axle of Nothingness. So, afraid of > the Inner Nothingness, we go on rushing into the > World. The fear of one's own Non-Being takes you on > a > long, long Journey. You go on rushing into this > direction, into that. You have to rush, because if > you > don't rush you will stumble upon your Nothingness > WithIn you... and there is fear. You are frightened > of > that -- you don't want to see that you are Not. > > Your Being is Non-Being: you are not ready to look > into it, to accept it. You are Death Living. Death > is > there, and at the very Core of your Being there is > just Emptiness -- what Buddha calls Anatta. There is > no Self, there is no Being, there is no 'I'. And > somehow everybody knows it -- hence nobody goes > Inwards, everybody goes Outwards. Outwards you can > befool yourself, you can deceive yourself. You can > create a many games, you can play with those games > -- > they are not going to help, but still you can pass > your time with those games. You can become so > engrossed in them that for those engrossed moments > you > can forget your Inner Nothingness. > > But this Inner Nothingness is not like an accident. > It > is not accidental, it is your very Being. So you > cannot escape from it, do whatsoever you want to do. > Nobody has been able to escape from it. You can go > on > postponing, you can go on delaying that experience, > but one day or other, that experience has to be gone > through. > > And that day is the day of Great Blessing, Great > Rejoicing, when you come to know your Inner > Non-Being, > you have come Home. Because with that experience all > Fear disappears. When you know you are Not, how can > you be afraid -- of what? for what? And WHO can be > afraid? When you know you are Not, where can Desire > exist? with whom? for whom? from whom? > > When you are not, how can you become Somebody? > Knowing > one's Non-Being, there is great Rest. The Seeker has > disappeared, the Desirer is no more, the Becomer has > not been found. So the foundation has disappeared -- > and the whole palace made of playing-cards simply > shatters to the ground. > > ... That's what [is meant] by Enlightenment... > Emptiness has become Luminous, Full of Light ...and > now there is no effort to Destroy it, no effort to > Fill it. It is Beautiful as it is. > > > from " Going WithIn " The Great Paradox > -- Jim Brooks (?) > Thank-you! it is a very interesting experience because it goes against all my beliefs, all my conditionning, centuries of karma...it is the facing of knowedge destruction. Part of me says <no, this is wrong, don`t let it happen,> and then there is that very knowedge of another state that needs to be destroyed also.. Do you see what I mean? I am facing destruction of the very core of illusion. Me. Patricia ~~~~~~~ Precisely. It is quite a revelation to realize at long last that what has been held as *most precious*, what has been held as *oneself*... this " me " , is in fact an albatross hanging around the neck that in fact has become quite smelly. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 johnathan livingston reminds us that when we see the beauty in those things we have deemed ugly the doors open for perfection to be noticed, the stink is inside of those who have it. - billrishel Nisargadatta Monday, March 06, 2006 12:39 PM Re: bringing thoughts back/Patricia.. > Patricia wrote: > > Their has been a reoccuring dream, years old dream. > Maybe I finally understood some of its meaning at > three am last night. > So in the dream, every thing goes wrong, falling > litteraly into the dam abyss. (Silver, put that fence > up would you?) > And then...nothing...but my pounding heart, the end of > the world...nothing to hang on to...nothing...but a > terrible anguish.. > Last night, the rain was pelting on the window, wind > haolling... > Same dream... The suspension of time,...and this: > When my thoughts stop, > I worrie that I won`t be able to bring them back... > > Winnie the Pooh and his pal Patricia > > ~~~~~~~~~ > > Dear Patricia, > > Here is my interpretation of your dream: > > The dream reflects a crisis in the psyche brought > on by recent spiritual transformations that both > open new vistas and a sense of vast uncertainty. > > The only way forward is a reconciliation with the > uncertainty, a courageous embracing of the uncertainty > as true and good. > > To do so, however, entails a facing of ancient > fears, which now come up, as prompted by these recent > changes. > > The fear about the stopping of thoughts is only > symbolic of a fear of " losing one's grip " upon > entering into the Unknown. > > I quote below something by Jim Brooks (at least > I believe that is the author's name), that seems to > me to apply. > > > Bill > > > > Deep down you know that to look Withinwards is to > look into Nothingness. There is Nothing. And that is > scary, that frightens. > > At the very Core there is Nothingness. The wheel of > all moves on that axle of Nothingness. So, afraid of > the Inner Nothingness, we go on rushing into the > World. The fear of one's own Non-Being takes you on > a > long, long Journey. You go on rushing into this > direction, into that. You have to rush, because if > you > don't rush you will stumble upon your Nothingness > WithIn you... and there is fear. You are frightened > of > that -- you don't want to see that you are Not. > > Your Being is Non-Being: you are not ready to look > into it, to accept it. You are Death Living. Death > is > there, and at the very Core of your Being there is > just Emptiness -- what Buddha calls Anatta. There is > no Self, there is no Being, there is no 'I'. And > somehow everybody knows it -- hence nobody goes > Inwards, everybody goes Outwards. Outwards you can > befool yourself, you can deceive yourself. You can > create a many games, you can play with those games > -- > they are not going to help, but still you can pass > your time with those games. You can become so > engrossed in them that for those engrossed moments > you > can forget your Inner Nothingness. > > But this Inner Nothingness is not like an accident. > It > is not accidental, it is your very Being. So you > cannot escape from it, do whatsoever you want to do. > Nobody has been able to escape from it. You can go > on > postponing, you can go on delaying that experience, > but one day or other, that experience has to be gone > through. > > And that day is the day of Great Blessing, Great > Rejoicing, when you come to know your Inner > Non-Being, > you have come Home. Because with that experience all > Fear disappears. When you know you are Not, how can > you be afraid -- of what? for what? And WHO can be > afraid? When you know you are Not, where can Desire > exist? with whom? for whom? from whom? > > When you are not, how can you become Somebody? > Knowing > one's Non-Being, there is great Rest. The Seeker has > disappeared, the Desirer is no more, the Becomer has > not been found. So the foundation has disappeared -- > and the whole palace made of playing-cards simply > shatters to the ground. > > ... That's what [is meant] by Enlightenment... > Emptiness has become Luminous, Full of Light ...and > now there is no effort to Destroy it, no effort to > Fill it. It is Beautiful as it is. > > > from " Going WithIn " The Great Paradox > -- Jim Brooks (?) > Thank-you! it is a very interesting experience because it goes against all my beliefs, all my conditionning, centuries of karma...it is the facing of knowedge destruction. Part of me says <no, this is wrong, don`t let it happen,> and then there is that very knowedge of another state that needs to be destroyed also.. Do you see what I mean? I am facing destruction of the very core of illusion. Me. Patricia ~~~~~~~ Precisely. It is quite a revelation to realize at long last that what has been held as *most precious*, what has been held as *oneself*... this " me " , is in fact an albatross hanging around the neck that in fact has become quite smelly. Bill ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 In a message dated 3/6/2006 9:54:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 17:39:34 -0000 " billrishel " <illusyn Re: bringing thoughts back/Patricia.. Precisely. It is quite a revelation to realize at long last that what has been held as *most precious*, what has been held as *oneself*... this " me " , is in fact an albatross hanging around the neck that in fact has become quite smelly. Bill God is not at war with himself, so why are you? Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2006 Report Share Posted March 6, 2006 In a message dated 3/6/2006 6:56:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 02:30:43 -0000 " toombaru2006 " <lastrain Re: bringing thoughts back/Patricia.. ill > > God is not at war with himself, so why are you? > > Phil > > Especially since neither exist. toombaru Well, in that case, at least nobody will get hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 In a message dated 3/6/2006 7:53:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 03:27:09 -0000 " toombaru2006 " <lastrain Re: bringing thoughts back/Patricia.. Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/6/2006 6:56:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Tue, 07 Mar 2006 02:30:43 -0000 > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain > Re: bringing thoughts back/Patricia.. > > ill > > > > God is not at war with himself, so why are you? > > > > Phil > > > > > > > Especially since neither exist. > > > toombaru > > > > Well, in that case, at least nobody will get hurt. > > Was anybody hurt in that terrible dream last night? toombaru I didn't have a terrible dream last night. ~ (It was a joke. ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 ill > > God is not at war with himself, so why are you? > > Phil > > Especially since neither exist. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/6/2006 6:56:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Tue, 07 Mar 2006 02:30:43 -0000 > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain > Re: bringing thoughts back/Patricia.. > > ill > > > > God is not at war with himself, so why are you? > > > > Phil > > > > > > > Especially since neither exist. > > > toombaru > > > > Well, in that case, at least nobody will get hurt. > > Was anybody hurt in that terrible dream last night? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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