Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 Bob quotes: " The Subject or Self occupies a position analogous to that of the parameter in mathematics. " Hey, numeric cowboy, one can question what is the use of analogies? Do they clarify, or simply fire-up the imagination? Mixing mathematical metaphors and Nonduality to clarify self or Consciousness is very misleading. True, both rest on seemingly unproven axions, but math's axions are tested by their ability to solve problems, and give verifiable, replicable results when used as the basis of logical math operations. On the other hand, the axions that there is a Self, and the axion that there is no Self (anatta) lead at best to subjective states, never to verifiable empirical results. And trying to prove them with analogies, metaphors, similes, parables and examples proves nothing, and the simple-minded take those language devices literally as expressions of truth. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5 wrote: > > Bob quotes: " The Subject or Self occupies a position > analogous to that of the parameter in mathematics. " > > Hey, numeric cowboy, one can question what > is the use of analogies? Do they clarify, or > simply fire-up the imagination? > > Mixing mathematical metaphors and Nonduality > to clarify self or Consciousness is very > misleading. True, both rest on seemingly > unproven axions, but math's axions are tested > by their ability to solve problems, and give > verifiable, replicable results when used as > the basis of logical math operations. On the other > hand, the axions that there is a Self, and > the axion that there is no Self (anatta) > lead at best to subjective states, never to > verifiable empirical results. And trying to prove > them with analogies, metaphors, similes, parables > and examples proves nothing, and the simple-minded > take those language devices literally as > expressions of truth. > > Pete > > Hey Peter...please as the Great mathematician that I can see you must be..what the hell is an axioN???? Can't be a misspelling, you use the term several times here ( I won't count them as I will now defer to you as the math whiz.If ever a wiz there was). Waiting for the Enlightenment, I remain yours truly, bob > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5 wrote: > > > Bob quotes: " The Subject or Self occupies a position > > analogous to that of the parameter in mathematics. " > > > > Hey, numeric cowboy, one can question what > > is the use of analogies? Do they clarify, or > > simply fire-up the imagination? > > > > Mixing mathematical metaphors and Nonduality > > to clarify self or Consciousness is very > > misleading. True, both rest on seemingly > > unproven axions, but math's axions are tested > > by their ability to solve problems, and give > > verifiable, replicable results when used as > > the basis of logical math operations. On the other > > hand, the axions that there is a Self, and > > the axion that there is no Self (anatta) > > lead at best to subjective states, never to > > verifiable empirical results. And trying to prove > > them with analogies, metaphors, similes, parables > > and examples proves nothing, and the simple-minded > > take those language devices literally as > > expressions of truth. > > > > Pete > > > > Hey Peter...please as the Great mathematician that I can see you > must be..what the hell is an axioN???? Can't be a misspelling, you > use the term several times here ( I won't count them as I will now > defer to you as the math whiz.If ever a wiz there was). Waiting for > the Enlightenment, > I remain yours truly, > bob > > P: Sorry, it was a misspelling of the word axiom ( a postulate > taken on faith as self evident) which my spell-check didn't > catch because the word axion is the name of a hypothetical > particle of low mass and energy. And my math is very limited, > I can only count to 21 using fingers, toes, and.. ) But to detect > mixing apples and oranges and calling it guacamole, I don't > need to be Newton. > > Why would your spellcheck mix up a postulate taken on faith with a hypothetical particle of low mass and energy? I'd flunk that kid! Now as to the apple/orange guacamole...sounds yummy! Can you post the recipe.LOL...bob > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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