Silly ego game #3 (((IPercpetion Without Thinking

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Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote:

> >

> > Silly ego game #3 is where we learn to consistently bring

ourselves to a

> > state of peace in meditation, and then believe that we've accomplished

> > something

> > almost no human has ever been able to do before. Hehe. Since this

has no

> > relationship to noticing the truth of our ego dynamics, those dynamics

> > continue

> > all during our non-meditating time. In order to pretend that this

> > isn't so, we

> > elevate ourselves above others and project our thinkingness and

> struggle

> > onto them, all the while hiding behind the obscurity of our own words

> > so that

> > nobody can be clear enough about what we're saying to really be

able to

> > challenge us.

> >

> > ~~~~~

> >

> > A couple of questions, Phil:

> > Do you consider the " ego " to actually exist, or to only

> > " appear " to exist?

> >

> > You speak of " noticing the truth of our ego dynamics... " ,

> > But noticing " one's own ego dynamics " is inherently

> > problematic. The biggest ego trap there is is the one

> > about stamping out ego. " Noticing ego dynamics " is inherently

> > not in the Now. And anything that is not in the Now is

> > illusory. See what I mean?

> >

> >

> > Bill

>

>

> There is nothing which is not inherently in the now, Bill.

>

> Len

>

 

Doh....

 

Sure, " noticing ego dynamics " is inherently in the now,

if there is no *stopping*. The moment there is a sense

of something as distinct, as something existing as real,

then there is illusion. It is not real. But considered-

as-such it is illusion. In reality there is never anything

that is not Now. And yet there is a great deal of Ignorance,

confusion arising from the spinning of mind processes

along implied paths that stem from an " appearance of "

something being fixed, as being a distinct something

that exists.

 

If you want to say there is no Ignorance, there is

no confusion, that everyone (the non-existent ones)

is always totally immerse in Now, go for it. But is

that really what you want to say?

 

Buddha saw that all the suffering beings in the world

were unreal, just as the world is unreal. Nevertheless

he undertook to speak his message. Why?

 

Bill