Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 In a message dated 3/7/2006 5:32:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 23:31:48 -0000 " billrishel " <illusyn Silly ego game #3 (((Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking Silly ego game #3 is where we learn to consistently bring ourselves to a state of peace in meditation, and then believe that we've accomplished something almost no human has ever been able to do before. Hehe. Since this has no relationship to noticing the truth of our ego dynamics, those dynamics continue all during our non-meditating time. In order to pretend that this isn't so, we elevate ourselves above others and project our thinkingness and struggle onto them, all the while hiding behind the obscurity of our own words so that nobody can be clear enough about what we're saying to really be able to challenge us. ~~~~~ A couple of questions, Phil: Do you consider the " ego " to actually exist, or to only " appear " to exist? P: Thoughts. Do you imply that it can therefore be ignored? You speak of " noticing the truth of our ego dynamics... " , But noticing " one's own ego dynamics " is inherently problematic. The biggest ego trap there is is the one about stamping out ego. " Noticing ego dynamics " is inherently not in the Now. And anything that is not in the Now is illusory. See what I mean? P: No, I don't see the significance of placing 'noticing' in a now or a not-now context. I'm not talking about a memory. Noticing occurs. I'm talking about noticing the truth of what is, in this case, ego dynamics, which as you say are inherently problematic because those dynamics consist of self deception. Is there an implication about *my* ego dynamics? If so, lets be clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > Silly ego game #3 is where we learn to consistently bring ourselves to a > > > state of peace in meditation, and then believe that we've accomplished > > > something > > > almost no human has ever been able to do before. Hehe. Since this has no > > > relationship to noticing the truth of our ego dynamics, those dynamics > > > continue > > > all during our non-meditating time. In order to pretend that this > > > isn't so, we > > > elevate ourselves above others and project our thinkingness and > > struggle > > > onto them, all the while hiding behind the obscurity of our own words > > > so that > > > nobody can be clear enough about what we're saying to really be able to > > > challenge us. > > > > > > ~~~~~ > > > > > > A couple of questions, Phil: > > > Do you consider the " ego " to actually exist, or to only > > > " appear " to exist? > > > > > > You speak of " noticing the truth of our ego dynamics... " , > > > But noticing " one's own ego dynamics " is inherently > > > problematic. The biggest ego trap there is is the one > > > about stamping out ego. " Noticing ego dynamics " is inherently > > > not in the Now. And anything that is not in the Now is > > > illusory. See what I mean? > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > There is nothing which is not inherently in the now, Bill. > > > > Len > > > > > There in nothing which is not inherently in the past. > > > toombaru > Now that's good! See, it's not about " correct statements " vs. ones that are not. It's about actually saying something. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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