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In a message dated 3/7/2006 5:32:52 PM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

Tue, 07 Mar 2006 23:31:48 -0000

" billrishel " <illusyn

Silly ego game #3 (((Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking

 

Silly ego game #3 is where we learn to consistently bring ourselves to a

state of peace in meditation, and then believe that we've accomplished

something

almost no human has ever been able to do before. Hehe. Since this has no

relationship to noticing the truth of our ego dynamics, those dynamics

continue

all during our non-meditating time. In order to pretend that this

isn't so, we

elevate ourselves above others and project our thinkingness and struggle

onto them, all the while hiding behind the obscurity of our own words

so that

nobody can be clear enough about what we're saying to really be able to

challenge us.

 

~~~~~

 

A couple of questions, Phil:

Do you consider the " ego " to actually exist, or to only

" appear " to exist?

 

 

 

P: Thoughts. Do you imply that it can therefore be ignored?

 

 

 

 

You speak of " noticing the truth of our ego dynamics... " ,

But noticing " one's own ego dynamics " is inherently

problematic. The biggest ego trap there is is the one

about stamping out ego. " Noticing ego dynamics " is inherently

not in the Now. And anything that is not in the Now is

illusory. See what I mean?

 

 

P: No, I don't see the significance of placing 'noticing' in a now or a

not-now context. I'm not talking about a memory. Noticing occurs. I'm talking

about noticing the truth of what is, in this case, ego dynamics, which as you

say are inherently problematic because those dynamics consist of self

deception.

 

Is there an implication about *my* ego dynamics? If so, lets be clear.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Silly ego game #3 is where we learn to consistently bring

ourselves to a

> > > state of peace in meditation, and then believe that we've

accomplished

> > > something

> > > almost no human has ever been able to do before. Hehe. Since

this has no

> > > relationship to noticing the truth of our ego dynamics, those

dynamics

> > > continue

> > > all during our non-meditating time. In order to pretend that this

> > > isn't so, we

> > > elevate ourselves above others and project our thinkingness and

> > struggle

> > > onto them, all the while hiding behind the obscurity of our own

words

> > > so that

> > > nobody can be clear enough about what we're saying to really be

able to

> > > challenge us.

> > >

> > > ~~~~~

> > >

> > > A couple of questions, Phil:

> > > Do you consider the " ego " to actually exist, or to only

> > > " appear " to exist?

> > >

> > > You speak of " noticing the truth of our ego dynamics... " ,

> > > But noticing " one's own ego dynamics " is inherently

> > > problematic. The biggest ego trap there is is the one

> > > about stamping out ego. " Noticing ego dynamics " is inherently

> > > not in the Now. And anything that is not in the Now is

> > > illusory. See what I mean?

> > >

> > >

> > > Bill

> >

> >

> > There is nothing which is not inherently in the now, Bill.

> >

> > Len

> >

>

>

> There in nothing which is not inherently in the past.

>

>

> toombaru

>

 

Now that's good!

 

See, it's not about " correct statements " vs. ones that

are not. It's about actually saying something.

 

 

Bill

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