Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 In a message dated 3/7/2006 7:17:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 03:16:16 -0000 " billrishel " <illusyn Re: it's a seinfeld board... aboard about nothing.., Suggestion: stop hemmin' and hawin', pokin' around the edges with tentative dartings of this and that... which is to say to rather come out speaking clearly something of your own... then the mystery of what this list is about will be very clear. This *is* afterall a nondual list. So what it is about doesn't boil down to a " purpose " . It is, rather, more of a " zen thing " . Bill C'mon, Bill. There is no " Zen thing " going on here. Ego seeks here. This is a purpose. There's nothing wrong with that, but lets not pretend ego mysteriously disappeared just because the focus is nonduality. It's becoming clear that the actual purpose is clearly unclear. Don't you think that's odd? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Suggestion: stop hemmin' and hawin', pokin' around the edges with tentative dartings of this and that... which is to say to rather come out speaking clearly something of your own... then the mystery of what this list is about will be very clear. This *is* afterall a nondual list. So what it is about doesn't boil down to a " purpose " . It is, rather, more of a " zen thing " . Bill Nisargadatta , " Fred " <thejman wrote: > > there's seems to be the inclination by the members that if others (meaning those who don't agree with their viewpoint) " stick with it " that clarity will arrive (or whatever they think enlightenment is). is seems rather pejorative (scrabble 19 pts.) to say that this is the Truth since it's not " they " who decide this, at least not directly. if this was a 12 step program it might be said that whomever could get whatever through osmosis, and while there is some Truth to that, clearly looking at what we have on this board, me egoo thinks not. > > > - > ADHHUB > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, March 07, 2006 9:51 PM > Re: it's a seinfeld board... aboard about nothing > > > > Niz is rarely quoted here and ideas unique to his teachings rarely directly > discussed, so what is occurring is not so much what was intended. It's not > clear what is intended now. > > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 10:55:05 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Tue, 07 Mar 2006 18:44:17 -0000 > " billrishel " <illusyn > Re: it's a seinfeld board... aboard about nothing > > what is the purpose of this board? > ~~~~~~ > Check the home page of this site. > That defines the purpose. > This site is dedicated to studying the teachings > of Nisargadatta Maharaj. > > Are you at all familiar with Nisargadatta's teachings, > Fred? > > > Bill > > > Nisargadatta , " Fred " <thejman@> wrote: > > > > now, now, bill, no need to get defensive. btw, it wasnt advice, but > reading her soul and recognising that she wasnt being nourished here. > asked this question yesterday but no one (he-he) answered. so, since > you " seem " to be here, what is the purpose of this board? at least > what is your purpose here? you are here right? (gotta qualify these > questions it seems) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > billrishel > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, March 07, 2006 12:24 PM > > Re: Stop the chatter > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Fred " <thejman@> wrote: > > > > > > this is not meant with disrespect, have you considered the > > possibility that this isn't the place for you and the exploration > your on. > > > > Fred, are you kinda new here? > > > > If so, perhaps you don't know whereof you speak. > > > > But what you might indeed do is apply your advice > > to yourself. A very good place to start as far > > as getting to know what this list is about. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > OConnor Patricia > > > Nisargadatta > > > Tuesday, March 07, 2006 10:41 AM > > > RE: Stop the chatter > > > > > > > > > I really like Pete`s message yesterday, " what is > > > happening to so and so? " > > > I appreciated the reminder that I am not here for tea > > > and bridge but for meeting and sharing something > > > infinitely precious. I`ve been getting headache lately > > > at trying to stay put w/ the all the chattering and > > > constant exercice of restless minds. There is no > > > point of sharing anything unless it is deeply rooted > > > in a day full of deep reverence toward what is most > > > precious and alive in each one of us. The constant > > > chatter of mind is what robs it of its very much > > > needed space. > > > Stop acting like Gods when you are only lost, stop > > > covering your nakedness with repeated concepts over > > > and over. > > > Start with quietness, feed quietness, allow calm to > > > prevail, land your ear to Life within you, give a rest > > > to your mind and fingers, .... > > > and then, one maybe ready to share something that > > > springs from somewhere else than inflamed minds. > > > Affection to all, > > > Patricia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 7:17:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Wed, 08 Mar 2006 03:16:16 -0000 > " billrishel " <illusyn > Re: it's a seinfeld board... aboard about nothing.., > > Suggestion: stop hemmin' and hawin', pokin' around > the edges with tentative dartings of this and that... > which is to say to rather come out speaking clearly > something of your own... then the mystery of what > this list is about will be very clear. > > This *is* afterall a nondual list. So what it is > about doesn't boil down to a " purpose " . > > It is, rather, more of a " zen thing " . > > > Bill > > > > C'mon, Bill. There is no " Zen thing " going on here. Ego seeks here. This is > a purpose. There's nothing wrong with that, but lets not pretend ego > mysteriously disappeared just because the focus is nonduality. It's becoming clear > that the actual purpose is clearly unclear. Don't you think that's odd? Yes Phil....better to talk about your best friend " God " ....about the misery that poor spiritual hearts are percieving around.... and therfore writing some explanation and books to this poor world.... so that " they " get some clearness.....and so on... is this the world (dream) your are in? there is nothing " Zen " about it....indeed Marc > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 7:17:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Wed, 08 Mar 2006 03:16:16 -0000 > " billrishel " <illusyn > Re: it's a seinfeld board... aboard about nothing.., > > Suggestion: stop hemmin' and hawin', pokin' around > the edges with tentative dartings of this and that... > which is to say to rather come out speaking clearly > something of your own... then the mystery of what > this list is about will be very clear. > > This *is* afterall a nondual list. So what it is > about doesn't boil down to a " purpose " . > > It is, rather, more of a " zen thing " . > > > Bill > > > > C'mon, Bill. There is no " Zen thing " going on here. Ego seeks here. This is > a purpose. There's nothing wrong with that, but lets not pretend ego > mysteriously disappeared just because the focus is nonduality. It's becoming clear > that the actual purpose is clearly unclear. Don't you think that's odd? > ~~~~~~~~~~ from my view, all is a zen thing... and purpose is not a meaningful notion. your view is evidently different. what you say about " ego " doesn't relate either. it is funny how if what I say doesn't compute for a person, sometimes that person will conclude that surely I am bullshiting. of course it would not occur to the person that what is being said is something that actually challenges their way of looking at things. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 7:17:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > Wed, 08 Mar 2006 03:16:16 -0000 > > " billrishel " <illusyn@> > > Re: it's a seinfeld board... aboard about nothing.., > > > > Suggestion: stop hemmin' and hawin', pokin' around > > the edges with tentative dartings of this and that... > > which is to say to rather come out speaking clearly > > something of your own... then the mystery of what > > this list is about will be very clear. > > > > This *is* afterall a nondual list. So what it is > > about doesn't boil down to a " purpose " . > > > > It is, rather, more of a " zen thing " . > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > C'mon, Bill. There is no " Zen thing " going on here. Ego seeks here. > This is > > a purpose. There's nothing wrong with that, but lets not pretend ego > > mysteriously disappeared just because the focus is nonduality. It's > becoming clear > > that the actual purpose is clearly unclear. Don't you think that's odd? > > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > from my view, all is a zen thing... > and purpose is not a meaningful notion. > > your view is evidently different. > > what you say about " ego " doesn't relate either. > > it is funny how if what I say doesn't compute > for a person, sometimes that person will conclude > that surely I am bullshiting. of course it would > not occur to the person that what is being said > is something that actually challenges their way > of looking at things. > > > Bill an ego don't get satisfaction until it discover that there is nothing but Self then....there is neither satisfaction nor unsatisfaction..... there is nobody anymore " who " could feel such emotions emotions, desires, wishes, ....and many kind of attachments don't let the Self appear as what it Is... means, as a deep and peacefully nature......whenever and wherever, always present......here and now again Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 In a message dated 3/8/2006 7:43:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 15:09:51 -0000 " billrishel " <illusyn Re: it's a seinfeld board... aboard about nothing.., Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 7:17:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Wed, 08 Mar 2006 03:16:16 -0000 > " billrishel " <illusyn > Re: it's a seinfeld board... aboard about nothing.., > > Suggestion: stop hemmin' and hawin', pokin' around > the edges with tentative dartings of this and that... > which is to say to rather come out speaking clearly > something of your own... then the mystery of what > this list is about will be very clear. > > This *is* afterall a nondual list. So what it is > about doesn't boil down to a " purpose " . > > It is, rather, more of a " zen thing " . > > > Bill > > > > C'mon, Bill. There is no " Zen thing " going on here. Ego seeks here. This is > a purpose. There's nothing wrong with that, but lets not pretend ego > mysteriously disappeared just because the focus is nonduality. It's becoming clear > that the actual purpose is clearly unclear. Don't you think that's odd? > ~~~~~~~~~~ from my view, all is a zen thing... and purpose is not a meaningful notion. your view is evidently different. what you say about " ego " doesn't relate either. it is funny how if what I say doesn't compute for a person, sometimes that person will conclude that surely I am bullshiting. of course it would not occur to the person that what is being said is something that actually challenges their way of looking at things. Bill Well, here's what I think about that: It is funny how if what I say doesn't compute for a person, sometimes that person will conclude that surely I am bullshiting. of course it would not occur to the person that what is being said is something that actually challenges their way of looking at things. It's okay, Bill, almost nobody ever learns from the words of others. Our own words are all that matter. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 making a declarative statement is not " hemmin' and hawin " ... but poking, yes it could well be.,,LOL! by your comments you think this is non-duality list.... hmmmm... for those posters (those not denying their own existence) we might say that they are coming from a dualistic perspective since they are here. how is this, then a non-dualistic board? - billrishel Nisargadatta Tuesday, March 07, 2006 10:16 PM Re: it's a seinfeld board... aboard about nothing.., Suggestion: stop hemmin' and hawin', pokin' around the edges with tentative dartings of this and that... which is to say to rather come out speaking clearly something of your own... then the mystery of what this list is about will be very clear. This *is* afterall a nondual list. So what it is about doesn't boil down to a " purpose " . It is, rather, more of a " zen thing " . Bill Nisargadatta , " Fred " <thejman wrote: > > there's seems to be the inclination by the members that if others (meaning those who don't agree with their viewpoint) " stick with it " that clarity will arrive (or whatever they think enlightenment is). is seems rather pejorative (scrabble 19 pts.) to say that this is the Truth since it's not " they " who decide this, at least not directly. if this was a 12 step program it might be said that whomever could get whatever through osmosis, and while there is some Truth to that, clearly looking at what we have on this board, me egoo thinks not. > > > - > ADHHUB > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, March 07, 2006 9:51 PM > Re: it's a seinfeld board... aboard about nothing > > > > Niz is rarely quoted here and ideas unique to his teachings rarely directly > discussed, so what is occurring is not so much what was intended. It's not > clear what is intended now. > > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 10:55:05 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Tue, 07 Mar 2006 18:44:17 -0000 > " billrishel " <illusyn > Re: it's a seinfeld board... aboard about nothing > > what is the purpose of this board? > ~~~~~~ > Check the home page of this site. > That defines the purpose. > This site is dedicated to studying the teachings > of Nisargadatta Maharaj. > > Are you at all familiar with Nisargadatta's teachings, > Fred? > > > Bill > > > Nisargadatta , " Fred " <thejman@> wrote: > > > > now, now, bill, no need to get defensive. btw, it wasnt advice, but > reading her soul and recognising that she wasnt being nourished here. > asked this question yesterday but no one (he-he) answered. so, since > you " seem " to be here, what is the purpose of this board? at least > what is your purpose here? you are here right? (gotta qualify these > questions it seems) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > billrishel > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, March 07, 2006 12:24 PM > > Re: Stop the chatter > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Fred " <thejman@> wrote: > > > > > > this is not meant with disrespect, have you considered the > > possibility that this isn't the place for you and the exploration > your on. > > > > Fred, are you kinda new here? > > > > If so, perhaps you don't know whereof you speak. > > > > But what you might indeed do is apply your advice > > to yourself. A very good place to start as far > > as getting to know what this list is about. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > OConnor Patricia > > > Nisargadatta > > > Tuesday, March 07, 2006 10:41 AM > > > RE: Stop the chatter > > > > > > > > > I really like Pete`s message yesterday, " what is > > > happening to so and so? " > > > I appreciated the reminder that I am not here for tea > > > and bridge but for meeting and sharing something > > > infinitely precious. I`ve been getting headache lately > > > at trying to stay put w/ the all the chattering and > > > constant exercice of restless minds. There is no > > > point of sharing anything unless it is deeply rooted > > > in a day full of deep reverence toward what is most > > > precious and alive in each one of us. The constant > > > chatter of mind is what robs it of its very much > > > needed space. > > > Stop acting like Gods when you are only lost, stop > > > covering your nakedness with repeated concepts over > > > and over. > > > Start with quietness, feed quietness, allow calm to > > > prevail, land your ear to Life within you, give a rest > > > to your mind and fingers, .... > > > and then, one maybe ready to share something that > > > springs from somewhere else than inflamed minds. > > > Affection to all, > > > Patricia > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 for those posters (those not denying their own existence) we might say that they are coming from a dualistic perspective since they are here. how is this, then a non-dualistic board? ~~~~~~~~ I am sure it will come to you Fred I mean, I feel I can sense it on the tip of your tongue, or is it the tip of your forebrain, or... ahhh... a tingle in your crown chakra? Bill Nisargadatta , " Fred " <thejman wrote: > > making a declarative statement is not " hemmin' and hawin " ... but poking, yes it could well be.,,LOL! > > by your comments you think this is non-duality list.... hmmmm... > > for those posters (those not denying their own existence) we might say that they are coming from a dualistic perspective since they are here. how is this, then a non-dualistic board? > - > billrishel > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, March 07, 2006 10:16 PM > Re: it's a seinfeld board... aboard about nothing.., > > > Suggestion: stop hemmin' and hawin', pokin' around > the edges with tentative dartings of this and that... > which is to say to rather come out speaking clearly > something of your own... then the mystery of what > this list is about will be very clear. > > This *is* afterall a nondual list. So what it is > about doesn't boil down to a " purpose " . > > It is, rather, more of a " zen thing " . > > > Bill > > > > Nisargadatta , " Fred " <thejman@> wrote: > > > > there's seems to be the inclination by the members that if others > (meaning those who don't agree with their viewpoint) " stick with it " > that clarity will arrive (or whatever they think enlightenment is). is > seems rather pejorative (scrabble 19 pts.) to say that this is the > Truth since it's not " they " who decide this, at least not directly. if > this was a 12 step program it might be said that whomever could get > whatever through osmosis, and while there is some Truth to that, > clearly looking at what we have on this board, me egoo thinks not. > > > > > > - > > ADHHUB@ > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, March 07, 2006 9:51 PM > > Re: it's a seinfeld board... aboard about > nothing > > > > > > > > Niz is rarely quoted here and ideas unique to his teachings rarely > directly > > discussed, so what is occurring is not so much what was intended. > It's not > > clear what is intended now. > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 10:55:05 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > Nisargadatta > writes: > > > > Tue, 07 Mar 2006 18:44:17 -0000 > > " billrishel " <illusyn@> > > Re: it's a seinfeld board... aboard about nothing > > > > what is the purpose of this board? > > ~~~~~~ > > Check the home page of this site. > > That defines the purpose. > > This site is dedicated to studying the teachings > > of Nisargadatta Maharaj. > > > > Are you at all familiar with Nisargadatta's teachings, > > Fred? > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Fred " <thejman@> wrote: > > > > > > now, now, bill, no need to get defensive. btw, it wasnt advice, but > > reading her soul and recognising that she wasnt being nourished here. > > asked this question yesterday but no one (he-he) answered. so, since > > you " seem " to be here, what is the purpose of this board? at least > > what is your purpose here? you are here right? (gotta qualify these > > questions it seems) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > billrishel > > > Nisargadatta > > > Tuesday, March 07, 2006 12:24 PM > > > Re: Stop the chatter > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Fred " <thejman@> wrote: > > > > > > > > this is not meant with disrespect, have you considered the > > > possibility that this isn't the place for you and the exploration > > your on. > > > > > > Fred, are you kinda new here? > > > > > > If so, perhaps you don't know whereof you speak. > > > > > > But what you might indeed do is apply your advice > > > to yourself. A very good place to start as far > > > as getting to know what this list is about. > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > OConnor Patricia > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Tuesday, March 07, 2006 10:41 AM > > > > RE: Stop the chatter > > > > > > > > > > > > I really like Pete`s message yesterday, " what is > > > > happening to so and so? " > > > > I appreciated the reminder that I am not here for tea > > > > and bridge but for meeting and sharing something > > > > infinitely precious. I`ve been getting headache lately > > > > at trying to stay put w/ the all the chattering and > > > > constant exercice of restless minds. There is no > > > > point of sharing anything unless it is deeply rooted > > > > in a day full of deep reverence toward what is most > > > > precious and alive in each one of us. The constant > > > > chatter of mind is what robs it of its very much > > > > needed space. > > > > Stop acting like Gods when you are only lost, stop > > > > covering your nakedness with repeated concepts over > > > > and over. > > > > Start with quietness, feed quietness, allow calm to > > > > prevail, land your ear to Life within you, give a rest > > > > to your mind and fingers, .... > > > > and then, one maybe ready to share something that > > > > springs from somewhere else than inflamed minds. > > > > Affection to all, > > > > Patricia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > It's okay, Bill, almost nobody ever learns from the words of others. Our own > words are all that matter. > > > Phil Yes, we only learn through observation, also the observation of the reaction to other people´s words can be interesting. So what is being said is in fact far les important then what is being " done " with these words by the listener. If one is attentive, one learns even from most stupid things. If one isn´t attentive, no wisdom will help him. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > It's okay, Bill, almost nobody ever learns from the words of > others. Our own > > words are all that matter. > > > > > > Phil > Yeah..........they can always to be trusted ............to lead you in circles. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 since we are all one, then your getting it! - billrishel Nisargadatta Wednesday, March 08, 2006 10:54 PM Re: it's a seinfeld board... aboard about nothing.., for those posters (those not denying their own existence) we might say that they are coming from a dualistic perspective since they are here. how is this, then a non-dualistic board? ~~~~~~~~ I am sure it will come to you Fred I mean, I feel I can sense it on the tip of your tongue, or is it the tip of your forebrain, or... ahhh... a tingle in your crown chakra? Bill Nisargadatta , " Fred " <thejman wrote: > > making a declarative statement is not " hemmin' and hawin " ... but poking, yes it could well be.,,LOL! > > by your comments you think this is non-duality list.... hmmmm... > > for those posters (those not denying their own existence) we might say that they are coming from a dualistic perspective since they are here. how is this, then a non-dualistic board? > - > billrishel > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, March 07, 2006 10:16 PM > Re: it's a seinfeld board... aboard about nothing.., > > > Suggestion: stop hemmin' and hawin', pokin' around > the edges with tentative dartings of this and that... > which is to say to rather come out speaking clearly > something of your own... then the mystery of what > this list is about will be very clear. > > This *is* afterall a nondual list. So what it is > about doesn't boil down to a " purpose " . > > It is, rather, more of a " zen thing " . > > > Bill > > > > Nisargadatta , " Fred " <thejman@> wrote: > > > > there's seems to be the inclination by the members that if others > (meaning those who don't agree with their viewpoint) " stick with it " > that clarity will arrive (or whatever they think enlightenment is). is > seems rather pejorative (scrabble 19 pts.) to say that this is the > Truth since it's not " they " who decide this, at least not directly. if > this was a 12 step program it might be said that whomever could get > whatever through osmosis, and while there is some Truth to that, > clearly looking at what we have on this board, me egoo thinks not. > > > > > > - > > ADHHUB@ > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, March 07, 2006 9:51 PM > > Re: it's a seinfeld board... aboard about > nothing > > > > > > > > Niz is rarely quoted here and ideas unique to his teachings rarely > directly > > discussed, so what is occurring is not so much what was intended. > It's not > > clear what is intended now. > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 10:55:05 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > Nisargadatta > writes: > > > > Tue, 07 Mar 2006 18:44:17 -0000 > > " billrishel " <illusyn@> > > Re: it's a seinfeld board... aboard about nothing > > > > what is the purpose of this board? > > ~~~~~~ > > Check the home page of this site. > > That defines the purpose. > > This site is dedicated to studying the teachings > > of Nisargadatta Maharaj. > > > > Are you at all familiar with Nisargadatta's teachings, > > Fred? > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Fred " <thejman@> wrote: > > > > > > now, now, bill, no need to get defensive. btw, it wasnt advice, but > > reading her soul and recognising that she wasnt being nourished here. > > asked this question yesterday but no one (he-he) answered. so, since > > you " seem " to be here, what is the purpose of this board? at least > > what is your purpose here? you are here right? (gotta qualify these > > questions it seems) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > billrishel > > > Nisargadatta > > > Tuesday, March 07, 2006 12:24 PM > > > Re: Stop the chatter > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Fred " <thejman@> wrote: > > > > > > > > this is not meant with disrespect, have you considered the > > > possibility that this isn't the place for you and the exploration > > your on. > > > > > > Fred, are you kinda new here? > > > > > > If so, perhaps you don't know whereof you speak. > > > > > > But what you might indeed do is apply your advice > > > to yourself. A very good place to start as far > > > as getting to know what this list is about. > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > OConnor Patricia > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Tuesday, March 07, 2006 10:41 AM > > > > RE: Stop the chatter > > > > > > > > > > > > I really like Pete`s message yesterday, " what is > > > > happening to so and so? " > > > > I appreciated the reminder that I am not here for tea > > > > and bridge but for meeting and sharing something > > > > infinitely precious. I`ve been getting headache lately > > > > at trying to stay put w/ the all the chattering and > > > > constant exercice of restless minds. There is no > > > > point of sharing anything unless it is deeply rooted > > > > in a day full of deep reverence toward what is most > > > > precious and alive in each one of us. The constant > > > > chatter of mind is what robs it of its very much > > > > needed space. > > > > Stop acting like Gods when you are only lost, stop > > > > covering your nakedness with repeated concepts over > > > > and over. > > > > Start with quietness, feed quietness, allow calm to > > > > prevail, land your ear to Life within you, give a rest > > > > to your mind and fingers, .... > > > > and then, one maybe ready to share something that > > > > springs from somewhere else than inflamed minds. > > > > Affection to all, > > > > Patricia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 In a message dated 3/9/2006 6:00:57 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 13:58:52 -0000 " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 Re: it's a seinfeld board... aboard about nothing.., Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > It's okay, Bill, almost nobody ever learns from the words of others. Our own > words are all that matter. > > > Phil Yes, we only learn through observation, also the observation of the reaction to other people´s words can be interesting. So what is being said is in fact far les important then what is being " done " with these words by the listener. If one is attentive, one learns even from most stupid things. If one isn´t attentive, no wisdom will help him. Len Agreed. We can recognize that we're the creators of our experience/perceptions, and always reflect on what we create in the form of the words/reactions of others. For me, I learn the most when someone's words cause me to question. I then look within for the answer. Ultimately, it has nothing to do with anyone else. I do, however, get a little crazy at the deception and pretenses, and I seem to have to voice my perspective on it once in a while. Although it changes nothing outside of me, it feels like a breath of fresh air within. My apologies to anyone I offend when I do this. No offense intended. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 gotcha Nisargadatta , " Fred " <thejman wrote: > since we are all one, then your getting it! > - > billrishel > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, March 08, 2006 10:54 PM > Re: it's a seinfeld board... aboard about nothing.., > > > for those posters (those not denying their own existence) we > might say that they are coming from a dualistic perspective > since they are here. how is this, then a non-dualistic board? > ~~~~~~~~ > > I am sure it will come to you Fred > > I mean, I feel I can sense it on the tip of your tongue, > or is it the tip of your forebrain, or... > ahhh... a tingle in your crown chakra? > > > Bill > > > > Nisargadatta , " Fred " <thejman@> wrote: > > > > making a declarative statement is not " hemmin' and hawin " ... but > poking, yes it could well be.,,LOL! > > > > by your comments you think this is non-duality list.... hmmmm... > > > > for those posters (those not denying their own existence) we might > say that they are coming from a dualistic perspective since they are > here. how is this, then a non-dualistic board? > > - > > billrishel > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, March 07, 2006 10:16 PM > > Re: it's a seinfeld board... aboard about > nothing.., > > > > > > Suggestion: stop hemmin' and hawin', pokin' around > > the edges with tentative dartings of this and that... > > which is to say to rather come out speaking clearly > > something of your own... then the mystery of what > > this list is about will be very clear. > > > > This *is* afterall a nondual list. So what it is > > about doesn't boil down to a " purpose " . > > > > It is, rather, more of a " zen thing " . > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Fred " <thejman@> wrote: > > > > > > there's seems to be the inclination by the members that if others > > (meaning those who don't agree with their viewpoint) " stick with it " > > that clarity will arrive (or whatever they think enlightenment is). is > > seems rather pejorative (scrabble 19 pts.) to say that this is the > > Truth since it's not " they " who decide this, at least not directly. if > > this was a 12 step program it might be said that whomever could get > > whatever through osmosis, and while there is some Truth to that, > > clearly looking at what we have on this board, me egoo thinks not. > > > > > > > > > - > > > ADHHUB@ > > > Nisargadatta > > > Tuesday, March 07, 2006 9:51 PM > > > Re: it's a seinfeld board... aboard about > > nothing > > > > > > > > > > > > Niz is rarely quoted here and ideas unique to his teachings rarely > > directly > > > discussed, so what is occurring is not so much what was intended. > > It's not > > > clear what is intended now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 10:55:05 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > > Nisargadatta > > writes: > > > > > > Tue, 07 Mar 2006 18:44:17 -0000 > > > " billrishel " <illusyn@> > > > Re: it's a seinfeld board... aboard about nothing > > > > > > what is the purpose of this board? > > > ~~~~~~ > > > Check the home page of this site. > > > That defines the purpose. > > > This site is dedicated to studying the teachings > > > of Nisargadatta Maharaj. > > > > > > Are you at all familiar with Nisargadatta's teachings, > > > Fred? > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Fred " <thejman@> wrote: > > > > > > > > now, now, bill, no need to get defensive. btw, it wasnt > advice, but > > > reading her soul and recognising that she wasnt being > nourished here. > > > asked this question yesterday but no one (he-he) answered. > so, since > > > you " seem " to be here, what is the purpose of this board? at > least > > > what is your purpose here? you are here right? (gotta qualify > these > > > questions it seems) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > billrishel > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Tuesday, March 07, 2006 12:24 PM > > > > Re: Stop the chatter > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Fred " <thejman@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > this is not meant with disrespect, have you considered the > > > > possibility that this isn't the place for you and the > exploration > > > your on. > > > > > > > > Fred, are you kinda new here? > > > > > > > > If so, perhaps you don't know whereof you speak. > > > > > > > > But what you might indeed do is apply your advice > > > > to yourself. A very good place to start as far > > > > as getting to know what this list is about. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > OConnor Patricia > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Tuesday, March 07, 2006 10:41 AM > > > > > RE: Stop the chatter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I really like Pete`s message yesterday, " what is > > > > > happening to so and so? " > > > > > I appreciated the reminder that I am not here for tea > > > > > and bridge but for meeting and sharing something > > > > > infinitely precious. I`ve been getting headache lately > > > > > at trying to stay put w/ the all the chattering and > > > > > constant exercice of restless minds. There is no > > > > > point of sharing anything unless it is deeply rooted > > > > > in a day full of deep reverence toward what is most > > > > > precious and alive in each one of us. The constant > > > > > chatter of mind is what robs it of its very much > > > > > needed space. > > > > > Stop acting like Gods when you are only lost, stop > > > > > covering your nakedness with repeated concepts over > > > > > and over. > > > > > Start with quietness, feed quietness, allow calm to > > > > > prevail, land your ear to Life within you, give a rest > > > > > to your mind and fingers, .... > > > > > and then, one maybe ready to share something that > > > > > springs from somewhere else than inflamed minds. > > > > > Affection to all, > > > > > Patricia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/9/2006 6:00:57 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Thu, 09 Mar 2006 13:58:52 -0000 > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 > Re: it's a seinfeld board... aboard about nothing.., > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > It's okay, Bill, almost nobody ever learns from the words of > others. Our own > > words are all that matter. > > > > > > Phil > > > Yes, we only learn through observation, Ok....one more time......there is no 'we' separate from reactions that occur naturally within the psychosoma. " We " do not learn...:We " are the conceptual residue that forms in the wake of thought. also the observation of the > reaction to other people´s words can be interesting. So can watching monkeys in the zoo. So what is being > said is in fact far less important then what is being " done " with these > words by the listener. Neither are important. If one is attentive, one learns even from most > stupid things. If one isn´t attentive, no wisdom will help him. > > Len > > There is no entity to learn....It is the 'learning " . > > Agreed. We can recognize that we're the creators of our > experience/perceptions, If we do that ....we are mistaken. and always reflect on what we create in the form of the words/reactions > of others. For me, I learn the most when someone's words cause me to question. Somehow.............as 'the words of 'others' pass through your ears...they magically become 'your words'........which are then are cross referenced with 'your' mnemonic debris. Any 'questions' that you can come up with will be cross referenced to an entity that doesn't exist. > I then look within for the answer. Ultimately, it has nothing to do with > anyone else. Ultimately it has nothing to do with 'you'. > > I do, however, get a little crazy at the deception and pretenses, and I seem > to have to voice my perspective on it once in a while. 'You don't have a perspective......you are a perspective. Although it changes > nothing outside of me, it feels like a breath of fresh air within. My apologies > to anyone I offend when I do this. No offense intended. > > Phil > > No offense taken. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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