Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming@> > > wrote: > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > mind is mind.... > > > > > > > > 'who' is it 'who', ever, could 'master the mind'....? > > > > > > > > mind can't exist by itself.... > > > > > > > > Self is only entity existing by itself > > > > > > > > when the body-mind-intellect come to end.....Self is still > there > > > > > > > > the mind give 'name and form' to the Self.....just like.... > > > > > > > > ...one remember the 'name and forms' appearing during the > dream > > > last > > > > night > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is *it* the SELF speaking... > > > > > > or, is it a *mind*, ego, individual > > > called Marc speaking? > > > > > > ... > > > > > > What language does the Self speak? > > > English or Sanskrit? > > > > > > What language does the Self speak when the > > > *mind* is in Deep Dreamless Sleep? > > > > > > yes....sure.... > > 'whoever' is speaking.....is dreaming to be Self.... > > > > thats Maya > > ... > > If you TRULY knew it is all *maya*... > > then, what happens to the *maya*, Marc? > > > > > > > Hi Arvind, i know that it's Maya....and then?.... thats what the mind is worthfull.....to know what Is....and what Is not...... thats the reason the mind is important, yes..... but the mind is only an instrument.....which transform the Self in a nice drama-life-play... isn't it great play? Marc > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 In a message dated 3/8/2006 2:25:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 07:36:24 -0000 " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 Re: What is *maya*? Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming@> > > wrote: > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > mind is mind.... > > > > > > > > 'who' is it 'who', ever, could 'master the mind'....? > > > > > > > > mind can't exist by itself.... > > > > > > > > Self is only entity existing by itself > > > > > > > > when the body-mind-intellect come to end.....Self is still > there > > > > > > > > the mind give 'name and form' to the Self.....just like.... > > > > > > > > ...one remember the 'name and forms' appearing during the > dream > > > last > > > > night > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is *it* the SELF speaking... > > > > > > or, is it a *mind*, ego, individual > > > called Marc speaking? > > > > > > ... > > > > > > What language does the Self speak? > > > English or Sanskrit? > > > > > > What language does the Self speak when the > > > *mind* is in Deep Dreamless Sleep? > > > > > > yes....sure.... > > 'whoever' is speaking.....is dreaming to be Self.... > > > > thats Maya > > ... > > If you TRULY knew it is all *maya*... > > then, what happens to the *maya*, Marc? > > > > > > > Hi Arvind, i know that it's Maya....and then?.... thats what the mind is worthfull.....to know what Is....and what Is not...... thats the reason the mind is important, yes..... but the mind is only an instrument.....which transform the Self in a nice drama-life-play... isn't it great play? Marc Lemme suggest that nothing at all happens to maya. The self is what seems to 'move' toward Truth. Maya remains maya. Those who are trying to make it disappear will, of course, fail. Acceptance is not the negation of illusion, but the realization that you ARE the illusion, and that nothing ever needed to be removed from what you are. You were never less than you imagine yourself to be. You are infinitely more than you could ever imagine. Wholeness is not embraced by burying the illusory parts of that wholeness. By saying 'no' to the smallest parts, you say 'no' to wholeness; to God. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 maya was my first wife's name...no honest to God it was! - dennis_travis33 Nisargadatta Wednesday, March 08, 2006 2:36 AM Re: What is *maya*? Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming@> > > wrote: > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > mind is mind.... > > > > > > > > 'who' is it 'who', ever, could 'master the mind'....? > > > > > > > > mind can't exist by itself.... > > > > > > > > Self is only entity existing by itself > > > > > > > > when the body-mind-intellect come to end.....Self is still > there > > > > > > > > the mind give 'name and form' to the Self.....just like.... > > > > > > > > ...one remember the 'name and forms' appearing during the > dream > > > last > > > > night > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is *it* the SELF speaking... > > > > > > or, is it a *mind*, ego, individual > > > called Marc speaking? > > > > > > ... > > > > > > What language does the Self speak? > > > English or Sanskrit? > > > > > > What language does the Self speak when the > > > *mind* is in Deep Dreamless Sleep? > > > > > > yes....sure.... > > 'whoever' is speaking.....is dreaming to be Self.... > > > > thats Maya > > ... > > If you TRULY knew it is all *maya*... > > then, what happens to the *maya*, Marc? > > > > > > > Hi Arvind, i know that it's Maya....and then?.... thats what the mind is worthfull.....to know what Is....and what Is not...... thats the reason the mind is important, yes..... but the mind is only an instrument.....which transform the Self in a nice drama-life-play... isn't it great play? Marc > > > ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Fred " <thejman wrote: > > maya was my first wife's name...no honest to God it was! Apparently Maya is not an uncommon name in the Latin world. My daughter-in-law is from Honduras, and she has a niece that is named Maya. Bill > - > dennis_travis33 > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, March 08, 2006 2:36 AM > Re: What is *maya*? > > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > > mind is mind.... > > > > > > > > > > 'who' is it 'who', ever, could 'master the mind'....? > > > > > > > > > > mind can't exist by itself.... > > > > > > > > > > Self is only entity existing by itself > > > > > > > > > > when the body-mind-intellect come to end.....Self is still > > there > > > > > > > > > > the mind give 'name and form' to the Self.....just like.... > > > > > > > > > > ...one remember the 'name and forms' appearing during the > > dream > > > > last > > > > > night > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is *it* the SELF speaking... > > > > > > > > or, is it a *mind*, ego, individual > > > > called Marc speaking? > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > What language does the Self speak? > > > > English or Sanskrit? > > > > > > > > What language does the Self speak when the > > > > *mind* is in Deep Dreamless Sleep? > > > > > > > > > yes....sure.... > > > 'whoever' is speaking.....is dreaming to be Self.... > > > > > > thats Maya > > > > ... > > > > If you TRULY knew it is all *maya*... > > > > then, what happens to the *maya*, Marc? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Arvind, > > i know that it's Maya....and then?.... > > thats what the mind is worthfull.....to know what Is....and what Is > not...... > > thats the reason the mind is important, yes..... > > but the mind is only an instrument.....which transform the Self in a > nice drama-life-play... > > isn't it great play? > > Marc > > > > > > > ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/8/2006 2:25:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Wed, 08 Mar 2006 07:36:24 -0000 > " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 > Re: What is *maya*? > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > > mind is mind.... > > > > > > > > > > 'who' is it 'who', ever, could 'master the mind'....? > > > > > > > > > > mind can't exist by itself.... > > > > > > > > > > Self is only entity existing by itself > > > > > > > > > > when the body-mind-intellect come to end.....Self is still > > there > > > > > > > > > > the mind give 'name and form' to the Self.....just like.... > > > > > > > > > > ...one remember the 'name and forms' appearing during the > > dream > > > > last > > > > > night > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is *it* the SELF speaking... > > > > > > > > or, is it a *mind*, ego, individual > > > > called Marc speaking? > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > What language does the Self speak? > > > > English or Sanskrit? > > > > > > > > What language does the Self speak when the > > > > *mind* is in Deep Dreamless Sleep? > > > > > > > > > yes....sure.... > > > 'whoever' is speaking.....is dreaming to be Self.... > > > > > > thats Maya > > > > ... > > > > If you TRULY knew it is all *maya*... > > > > then, what happens to the *maya*, Marc? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Arvind, > > i know that it's Maya....and then?.... > > thats what the mind is worthfull.....to know what Is....and what Is > not...... > > thats the reason the mind is important, yes..... > > but the mind is only an instrument.....which transform the Self in a > nice drama-life-play... > > isn't it great play? > > Marc > > > > Lemme suggest that nothing at all happens to maya. The self is what seems to > 'move' toward Truth. Maya remains maya. Those who are trying to make it > disappear will, of course, fail. Acceptance is not the negation of illusion, but > the realization that you ARE the illusion, and that nothing ever needed to be > removed from what you are. You were never less than you imagine yourself to > be. You are infinitely more than you could ever imagine. Wholeness is not > embraced by burying the illusory parts of that wholeness. By saying 'no' to the > smallest parts, you say 'no' to wholeness; to God. > > Phil yes...Phil...it's impossible to don't have a dream next night....even if one would wish so.... you have a good concept...... keep on trying.... maybe it will work one day Marc > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Fred " <thejman wrote: > sounds that she had, indeed, the wrong name... Marc > maya was my first wife's name...no honest to God it was! > - > dennis_travis33 > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, March 08, 2006 2:36 AM > Re: What is *maya*? > > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > > mind is mind.... > > > > > > > > > > 'who' is it 'who', ever, could 'master the mind'....? > > > > > > > > > > mind can't exist by itself.... > > > > > > > > > > Self is only entity existing by itself > > > > > > > > > > when the body-mind-intellect come to end.....Self is still > > there > > > > > > > > > > the mind give 'name and form' to the Self.....just like.... > > > > > > > > > > ...one remember the 'name and forms' appearing during the > > dream > > > > last > > > > > night > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is *it* the SELF speaking... > > > > > > > > or, is it a *mind*, ego, individual > > > > called Marc speaking? > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > What language does the Self speak? > > > > English or Sanskrit? > > > > > > > > What language does the Self speak when the > > > > *mind* is in Deep Dreamless Sleep? > > > > > > > > > yes....sure.... > > > 'whoever' is speaking.....is dreaming to be Self.... > > > > > > thats Maya > > > > ... > > > > If you TRULY knew it is all *maya*... > > > > then, what happens to the *maya*, Marc? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Arvind, > > i know that it's Maya....and then?.... > > thats what the mind is worthfull.....to know what Is....and what Is > not...... > > thats the reason the mind is important, yes..... > > but the mind is only an instrument.....which transform the Self in a > nice drama-life-play... > > isn't it great play? > > Marc > > > > > > > ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 3/8/2006 2:25:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > Wed, 08 Mar 2006 07:36:24 -0000 > > " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> > > Re: What is *maya*? > > > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " > <adithya_comming@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > > > > mind is mind.... > > > > > > > > > > > > 'who' is it 'who', ever, could 'master the mind'....? > > > > > > > > > > > > mind can't exist by itself.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Self is only entity existing by itself > > > > > > > > > > > > when the body-mind-intellect come to end.....Self is still > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > the mind give 'name and form' to the Self.....just like.... > > > > > > > > > > > > ...one remember the 'name and forms' appearing during the > > > dream > > > > > last > > > > > > night > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is *it* the SELF speaking... > > > > > > > > > > or, is it a *mind*, ego, individual > > > > > called Marc speaking? > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > What language does the Self speak? > > > > > English or Sanskrit? > > > > > > > > > > What language does the Self speak when the > > > > > *mind* is in Deep Dreamless Sleep? > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....sure.... > > > > 'whoever' is speaking.....is dreaming to be Self.... > > > > > > > > thats Maya > > > > > > ... > > > > > > If you TRULY knew it is all *maya*... > > > > > > then, what happens to the *maya*, Marc? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Arvind, > > > > i know that it's Maya....and then?.... > > > > thats what the mind is worthfull.....to know what Is....and what > Is > > not...... > > > > thats the reason the mind is important, yes..... > > > > but the mind is only an instrument.....which transform the Self in > a > > nice drama-life-play... > > > > isn't it great play? > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > Lemme suggest that nothing at all happens to maya. The self is what > seems to > > 'move' toward Truth. Maya remains maya. Those who are trying to > make it > > disappear will, of course, fail. Acceptance is not the negation of > illusion, but > > the realization that you ARE the illusion, and that nothing ever > needed to be > > removed from what you are. You were never less than you imagine > yourself to > > be. You are infinitely more than you could ever imagine. Wholeness > is not > > embraced by burying the illusory parts of that wholeness. By > saying 'no' to the > > smallest parts, you say 'no' to wholeness; to God. > > > > Phil > > yes...Phil...it's impossible to don't have a dream next night....even > if one would wish so.... > > you have a good concept...... > > keep on trying.... > > maybe it will work one day > > Marc > > > > > > Ps: your described " smalest parts " ....and the " wholeness God " .... are just part of this your wonderful concept.... you have maybe an " idea " of " God " .... still you need to realize this wholeness....in giving up this part....called " Phil " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 > > still you need to realize this wholeness....in giving up this > part....called " Phil " > Said one raindrop to another...on the way to the ocean. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > > still you need to realize this wholeness....in giving up this > > part....called " Phil " > > > > > Said one raindrop to another...on the way to the ocean. > > > toombaru ...in the dream of toombaru Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > still you need to realize this wholeness....in giving up this > > > part....called " Phil " > > > > > > > > > Said one raindrop to another...on the way to the ocean. > > > > > > toombaru > > ..in the dream of toombaru > > Marc > > > There is nothing else. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still you need to realize this wholeness....in giving up this > > > > part....called " Phil " > > > > > > > > > > > > > Said one raindrop to another...on the way to the ocean. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > ..in the dream of toombaru > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > There is nothing else. > > > toombaru thats your belief Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still you need to realize this wholeness....in giving up this > > > > > part....called " Phil " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Said one raindrop to another...on the way to the ocean. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > ..in the dream of toombaru > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing else. > > > > > > toombaru > > > thats your belief > > Marc > > > > It is in agreement with the sages. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still you need to realize this wholeness....in giving up this > > > > > > part....called " Phil " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Said one raindrop to another...on the way to the ocean. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > ..in the dream of toombaru > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing else. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > thats your belief > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > It is in agreement with the sages. > > > toombaru it's an agreement with the sages that there is nothing else but " your " dream? Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still you need to realize this wholeness....in giving up > this > > > > > > > part....called " Phil " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Said one raindrop to another...on the way to the ocean. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > ..in the dream of toombaru > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing else. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > thats your belief > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is in agreement with the sages. > > > > > > toombaru > > it's an agreement with the sages that there is nothing else > but " your " dream? > > Marc > > > There is one dream.........and nothing beyond the dream. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 not if she was married to satan - dennis_travis33 Nisargadatta Thursday, March 09, 2006 3:16 AM Re: What is *maya*? Nisargadatta , " Fred " <thejman wrote: > sounds that she had, indeed, the wrong name... Marc > maya was my first wife's name...no honest to God it was! > - > dennis_travis33 > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, March 08, 2006 2:36 AM > Re: What is *maya*? > > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > > mind is mind.... > > > > > > > > > > 'who' is it 'who', ever, could 'master the mind'....? > > > > > > > > > > mind can't exist by itself.... > > > > > > > > > > Self is only entity existing by itself > > > > > > > > > > when the body-mind-intellect come to end.....Self is still > > there > > > > > > > > > > the mind give 'name and form' to the Self.....just like.... > > > > > > > > > > ...one remember the 'name and forms' appearing during the > > dream > > > > last > > > > > night > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is *it* the SELF speaking... > > > > > > > > or, is it a *mind*, ego, individual > > > > called Marc speaking? > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > What language does the Self speak? > > > > English or Sanskrit? > > > > > > > > What language does the Self speak when the > > > > *mind* is in Deep Dreamless Sleep? > > > > > > > > > yes....sure.... > > > 'whoever' is speaking.....is dreaming to be Self.... > > > > > > thats Maya > > > > ... > > > > If you TRULY knew it is all *maya*... > > > > then, what happens to the *maya*, Marc? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Arvind, > > i know that it's Maya....and then?.... > > thats what the mind is worthfull.....to know what Is....and what Is > not...... > > thats the reason the mind is important, yes..... > > but the mind is only an instrument.....which transform the Self in a > nice drama-life-play... > > isn't it great play? > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 In a message dated 3/9/2006 6:00:57 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 09:05:14 -0000 " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 Re: What is *maya*? Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 3/8/2006 2:25:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > Wed, 08 Mar 2006 07:36:24 -0000 > > " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> > > Re: What is *maya*? > > > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " > <adithya_comming@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > > > > mind is mind.... > > > > > > > > > > > > 'who' is it 'who', ever, could 'master the mind'....? > > > > > > > > > > > > mind can't exist by itself.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Self is only entity existing by itself > > > > > > > > > > > > when the body-mind-intellect come to end.....Self is still > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > the mind give 'name and form' to the Self.....just like.... > > > > > > > > > > > > ...one remember the 'name and forms' appearing during the > > > dream > > > > > last > > > > > > night > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is *it* the SELF speaking... > > > > > > > > > > or, is it a *mind*, ego, individual > > > > > called Marc speaking? > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > What language does the Self speak? > > > > > English or Sanskrit? > > > > > > > > > > What language does the Self speak when the > > > > > *mind* is in Deep Dreamless Sleep? > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....sure.... > > > > 'whoever' is speaking.....is dreaming to be Self.... > > > > > > > > thats Maya > > > > > > ... > > > > > > If you TRULY knew it is all *maya*... > > > > > > then, what happens to the *maya*, Marc? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Arvind, > > > > i know that it's Maya....and then?.... > > > > thats what the mind is worthfull.....to know what Is....and what > Is > > not...... > > > > thats the reason the mind is important, yes..... > > > > but the mind is only an instrument.....which transform the Self in > a > > nice drama-life-play... > > > > isn't it great play? > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > Lemme suggest that nothing at all happens to maya. The self is what > seems to > > 'move' toward Truth. Maya remains maya. Those who are trying to > make it > > disappear will, of course, fail. Acceptance is not the negation of > illusion, but > > the realization that you ARE the illusion, and that nothing ever > needed to be > > removed from what you are. You were never less than you imagine > yourself to > > be. You are infinitely more than you could ever imagine. Wholeness > is not > > embraced by burying the illusory parts of that wholeness. By > saying 'no' to the > > smallest parts, you say 'no' to wholeness; to God. > > > > Phil > > yes...Phil...it's impossible to don't have a dream next night....even > if one would wish so.... > > you have a good concept...... > > keep on trying.... > > maybe it will work one day > > Marc > > > > > > Ps: your described " smalest parts " ....and the " wholeness God " .... are just part of this your wonderful concept.... you have maybe an " idea " of " God " .... still you need to realize this wholeness....in giving up this part....called " Phil " Yes, I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/9/2006 6:00:57 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Thu, 09 Mar 2006 09:05:14 -0000 > " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 > Re: What is *maya*? > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/8/2006 2:25:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > Wed, 08 Mar 2006 07:36:24 -0000 > > > " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> > > > Re: What is *maya*? > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " > > <adithya_comming@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind is mind.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'who' is it 'who', ever, could 'master the mind'....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind can't exist by itself.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Self is only entity existing by itself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when the body-mind-intellect come to end.....Self is > still > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the mind give 'name and form' to the Self.....just > like.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...one remember the 'name and forms' appearing during > the > > > > dream > > > > > > last > > > > > > > night > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is *it* the SELF speaking... > > > > > > > > > > > > or, is it a *mind*, ego, individual > > > > > > called Marc speaking? > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > What language does the Self speak? > > > > > > English or Sanskrit? > > > > > > > > > > > > What language does the Self speak when the > > > > > > *mind* is in Deep Dreamless Sleep? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....sure.... > > > > > 'whoever' is speaking.....is dreaming to be Self.... > > > > > > > > > > thats Maya > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > If you TRULY knew it is all *maya*... > > > > > > > > then, what happens to the *maya*, Marc? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Arvind, > > > > > > i know that it's Maya....and then?.... > > > > > > thats what the mind is worthfull.....to know what Is....and what > > Is > > > not...... > > > > > > thats the reason the mind is important, yes..... > > > > > > but the mind is only an instrument.....which transform the Self > in > > a > > > nice drama-life-play... > > > > > > isn't it great play? > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > Lemme suggest that nothing at all happens to maya. The self is > what > > seems to > > > 'move' toward Truth. Maya remains maya. Those who are trying to > > make it > > > disappear will, of course, fail. Acceptance is not the negation > of > > illusion, but > > > the realization that you ARE the illusion, and that nothing ever > > needed to be > > > removed from what you are. You were never less than you imagine > > yourself to > > > be. You are infinitely more than you could ever imagine. > Wholeness > > is not > > > embraced by burying the illusory parts of that wholeness. By > > saying 'no' to the > > > smallest parts, you say 'no' to wholeness; to God. > > > > > > Phil > > > > yes...Phil...it's impossible to don't have a dream next > night....even > > if one would wish so.... > > > > you have a good concept...... > > > > keep on trying.... > > > > maybe it will work one day > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > Ps: > > your described " smalest parts " ....and the " wholeness God " .... > are just part of this your wonderful concept.... > > you have maybe an " idea " of " God " .... > > still you need to realize this wholeness....in giving up this > part....called " Phil " > > > > Yes, I know. > > >great news so Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 > > your described " smalest parts " ....and the " wholeness God " .... > > are just part of this your wonderful concept.... > > > > you have maybe an " idea " of " God " .... > > > > still you need to realize this wholeness....in giving up this > > part....called " Phil " > > > > Nothing is accomplished in the attempt to discard your shadow. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > your described " smalest parts " ....and the " wholeness God " .... > > > are just part of this your wonderful concept.... > > > > > > you have maybe an " idea " of " God " .... > > > > > > still you need to realize this wholeness....in giving up this > > > part....called " Phil " > > > > > > > > > Nothing is accomplished in the attempt to discard your shadow. > > > toombaru you don't use the raindrop story today....? Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > your described " smalest parts " ....and the " wholeness God " .... > > > are just part of this your wonderful concept.... > > > > > > you have maybe an " idea " of " God " .... > > > > > > still you need to realize this wholeness....in giving up this > > > part....called " Phil " > > > > > > > > > Nothing is accomplished in the attempt to discard your shadow. > > > toombaru i see LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > your described " smalest parts " ....and the " wholeness God " .... > > > > are just part of this your wonderful concept.... > > > > > > > > you have maybe an " idea " of " God " .... > > > > > > > > still you need to realize this wholeness....in giving up this > > > > part....called " Phil " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing is accomplished in the attempt to discard your shadow. > > > > > > toombaru > > > i see > > LOL Ps: i see the big big shadow of toombaru > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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