Silly ego game #3 (((IPercpetion Without Thinking

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Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote:

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> In a message dated 3/7/2006 5:32:52 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> Nisargadatta writes:

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> Tue, 07 Mar 2006 23:31:48 -0000

> " billrishel " <illusyn

> Silly ego game #3 (((Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking

>

> Silly ego game #3 is where we learn to consistently bring ourselves

to a

> state of peace in meditation, and then believe that we've accomplished

> something

> almost no human has ever been able to do before. Hehe. Since this

has no

> relationship to noticing the truth of our ego dynamics, those dynamics

> continue

> all during our non-meditating time. In order to pretend that this

> isn't so, we

> elevate ourselves above others and project our thinkingness and

struggle

> onto them, all the while hiding behind the obscurity of our own words

> so that

> nobody can be clear enough about what we're saying to really be

able to

> challenge us.

>

> ~~~~~

> B:

> A couple of questions, Phil:

> Do you consider the " ego " to actually exist, or to only

> " appear " to exist?

>

>

>

> P: Thoughts. Do you imply that it can therefore be ignored?

 

B:

 

What needs to be *attended to* if everything happens

of its own nature? When immersed in the Now there is

no " problem " .

 

A sign of " immersed in the Now " is *sparkle*/life.

 

> B:

> You speak of " noticing the truth of our ego dynamics... " ,

> But noticing " one's own ego dynamics " is inherently

> problematic. The biggest ego trap there is is the one

> about stamping out ego. " Noticing ego dynamics " is inherently

> not in the Now. And anything that is not in the Now is

> illusory. See what I mean?

>

>

> P: No, I don't see the significance of placing 'noticing' in a now

or a

> not-now context. I'm not talking about a memory. Noticing occurs.

I'm talking

> about noticing the truth of what is, in this case, ego dynamics,

which as you

> say are inherently problematic because those dynamics consist of

self deception.

>

> Is there an implication about *my* ego dynamics? If so, lets be clear.

>

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B:

 

no such implication.

 

But " noticing " as something that is a " self-observation "

is not in the Now (my view) as it requires time to occur.

 

Bill