resistance to thought (((IPercpetion Without Thinkin

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<<<

P: " Silent mind " is your concept, not mine. There is no

such thing as a silent mind. There is a state of no

thoughts arising to conscious attention. However, if you

look deeper, you'll find the seeds out of which those

potentially conscious thoughts can arise. There is always

movement in the mind.

>>>

OK. This is getting interesting.

 

Certainly there is no such " thing " as *a* silent mind.

Nevertheless there is silent-mind.

 

Here, there are just words coming out on a screen.

There is nothing to " look deeper " into anything.

There is no anything to " look in *to* " !

Just complete Void and words-on-screen.

Nothing more.

 

When there is no sense-of-self, no sense of any " me " ,

when there is no sense of *within*, the kind of " looking

deeper " you speak of has no sense.

 

Bill

 

 

Between the time that you look at an object and when you

can name it, a massive amount of mental processing occurs

that would put the fastest supercomputer to shame. Spatial

orientation, distance, size, movement, color, texture, each

parameter measured and compared to countless samples in

memory and combined into a final profile of identification,

all occurring in a split second, and without you're even

consciously noticing it as long as you choose not to

notice. And that's just the analysis of data from one sense

organ, of a single object. If you find yourself walking

along a path, the mental processing of ever changing sense

data and physical coordination is truly staggering, and

the mind finds this explosion of mentation peaceful.

Possibly, it gives some kind of hint as to what may be

required to make the mentally created world disappear.

 

Does that clarify my position a bit

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In a message dated 3/8/2006 7:43:33 AM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

Wed, 08 Mar 2006 13:45:31 -0000

" billrishel " <illusyn

resistance to thought (((Re: IPercpetion Without Thinkin

 

<<<

P: " Silent mind " is your concept, not mine. There is no

such thing as a silent mind. There is a state of no

thoughts arising to conscious attention. However, if you

look deeper, you'll find the seeds out of which those

potentially conscious thoughts can arise. There is always

movement in the mind.

>>>

OK. This is getting interesting.

 

Certainly there is no such " thing " as *a* silent mind.

Nevertheless there is silent-mind.

 

Here, there are just words coming out on a screen.

There is nothing to " look deeper " into anything.

There is no anything to " look in *to* " !

Just complete Void and words-on-screen.

Nothing more.

 

When there is no sense-of-self, no sense of any " me " ,

when there is no sense of *within*, the kind of " looking

deeper " you speak of has no sense.

 

Bill

 

 

 

That would be true, but in this case it's not so, Bill.

You would have me refrain from using 'you' in formulating my post, but this

is only because you prefer to not be challenged in your perceptions. The

problem is that I see you ignoring your sense of self; pretending it's not

present

with you in the moment, and I see you formulating the thoughts that showed

up in your post. Behind it is the purpose of self deception. All of this comes

'attached' to your post. The sense of self is not a problem. The thought

occurs too much from the individual mind and this shows up as too much

dissection, discrimination, definition, analysis. The real difficulty, however,

is the

self deception that none of this is happening and nothing at all needs to be

looked at.

 

Sorry bout the 'you' thang. It just showed up. 'I' had nothing to with it.

Hehe.

 

Phil