Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 I often ponder on what Niz says about worshipping the I AM, giving it all one`s attention etc... This morning, I remembered how K.would always urge to watch oneself, how you walk, how you speak, etc... Same thing, that total devotion to oneself.. This morning I understood a little better what happens one you do that, when you put your attention on yourself... It is sooo simple...There is no more straying away with one`s imagination or tyranical thought process.. but a friendly, simple presence that allows Fresh Air to come in.. ...is it all too simple for us, very important creatures that we are... Patricia _________________________ Nouveau : téléphonez moins cher avec Messenger ! Découvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international. Téléchargez sur http://fr.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Hi Pat, You can also read this one: NonDualPhil/message/14493 Werner Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > > I often ponder on what Niz says about worshipping the > I AM, giving it all one`s attention etc... > This morning, I remembered how K.would always urge to > watch oneself, how you walk, how you speak, etc... > Same thing, that total devotion to oneself.. > This morning I understood a little better what happens > one you do that, when you put your attention on > yourself... > It is sooo simple...There is no more straying away > with one`s imagination or tyranical thought process.. > but a friendly, simple presence that allows > Fresh Air to come in.. > ..is it all too simple for us, very important > creatures that we are... > Patricia > > > > > > > ____________________ _____ > Nouveau : téléphonez moins cher avec Messenger ! Découvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international. > Téléchargez sur http://fr.messenger. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > > I often ponder on what Niz says about worshipping the > I AM, giving it all one`s attention etc... > This morning, I remembered how K.would always urge to > watch oneself, how you walk, how you speak, etc... > Same thing, that total devotion to oneself.. > This morning I understood a little better what happens > one you do that, when you put your attention on > yourself... > It is sooo simple...There is no more straying away > with one`s imagination or tyranical thought process.. > but a friendly, simple presence that allows > Fresh Air to come in.. > ..is it all too simple for us, very important > creatures that we are... > Patricia No Patricia, take a better look and you may see that there is a practically constant straying away with ones imagination, but you don´t notice it, because you´straying away with your imagination of an instant solution to all your problems which you don´t wish to face. If you want an immediate realease from suffering without noticing it, I´m affraid K is not your man, but of course anything can be misinterpreted according to your actual needs ;-) Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 --- lissbon2002 <lissbon2002 a écrit : Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > > I often ponder on what Niz says about worshipping the > I AM, giving it all one`s attention etc... > This morning, I remembered how K.would always urge to > watch oneself, how you walk, how you speak, etc... > Same thing, that total devotion to oneself.. > This morning I understood a little better what happens > one you do that, when you put your attention on > yourself... > It is sooo simple...There is no more straying away > with one`s imagination or tyranical thought process.. > but a friendly, simple presence that allows > Fresh Air to come in.. > ..is it all too simple for us, very important > creatures that we are... > Patricia No Patricia, take a better look and you may see that there is a practically constant straying away with ones imagination, but you don´t notice it, because you´straying away with your imagination of an instant solution to all your problems which you don´t wish to face. If you want an immediate realease from suffering without noticing it, I´m affraid K is not your man, but of course anything can be misinterpreted according to your actual needs ;-) Len .................................................. You lost me there.. Yes I do embrace instant solution by mere presence and it works. Nothing more that I can offer. Patricia ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 ...is it all too simple for us, very important creatures that we are... ~~~~~~~~~~ in a nutshell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > > > --- lissbon2002 <lissbon2002 a écrit : > > > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia > <gdtige@> > wrote: > > > > I often ponder on what Niz says about worshipping > the > > I AM, giving it all one`s attention etc... > > This morning, I remembered how K.would always urge > to > > watch oneself, how you walk, how you speak, etc... > > Same thing, that total devotion to oneself.. > > This morning I understood a little better what > happens > > one you do that, when you put your attention on > > yourself... > > It is sooo simple...There is no more straying away > > with one`s imagination or tyranical thought > process.. > > but a friendly, simple presence that allows > > Fresh Air to come in.. > > ..is it all too simple for us, very important > > creatures that we are... > > Patricia > > > > No Patricia, take a better look and you may see that > there is a > practically constant straying away with ones > imagination, but you > don´t notice it, because you´straying away with your > imagination of > an instant solution to all your problems which you > don´t wish to > face. If you want an immediate realease from suffering > without > noticing it, I´m affraid K is not your man, but of > course anything > can be misinterpreted according to your actual needs > ;-) > > Len > ................................................. > You lost me there.. > Yes I do embrace instant solution by mere presence and > it works. Nothing more that I can offer. > Patricia KO!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 In a message dated 3/8/2006 12:35:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 17:22:26 +0100 (CET) OConnor Patricia <gdtige Nis. and Krishnamurti I often ponder on what Niz says about worshipping the I AM, giving it all one`s attention etc... This morning, I remembered how K.would always urge to watch oneself, how you walk, how you speak, etc... Same thing, that total devotion to oneself.. This morning I understood a little better what happens one you do that, when you put your attention on yourself... It is sooo simple...There is no more straying away with one`s imagination or tyranical thought process.. but a friendly, simple presence that allows Fresh Air to come in.. ...is it all too simple for us, very important creatures that we are... Patricia But if you pay too much attention to yourself, you're in danger of noticing the truth, which you say you don't want to do. Did I miss something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 In a message dated 3/8/2006 12:35:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 17:48:33 -0000 " billrishel " <illusyn Re: Nis. and Krishnamurti Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > > > --- lissbon2002 <lissbon2002 a écrit : > > > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia > <gdtige@> > wrote: > > > > I often ponder on what Niz says about worshipping > the > > I AM, giving it all one`s attention etc... > > This morning, I remembered how K.would always urge > to > > watch oneself, how you walk, how you speak, etc... > > Same thing, that total devotion to oneself.. > > This morning I understood a little better what > happens > > one you do that, when you put your attention on > > yourself... > > It is sooo simple...There is no more straying away > > with one`s imagination or tyranical thought > process.. > > but a friendly, simple presence that allows > > Fresh Air to come in.. > > ..is it all too simple for us, very important > > creatures that we are... > > Patricia > > > > No Patricia, take a better look and you may see that > there is a > practically constant straying away with ones > imagination, but you > don´t notice it, because you´straying away with your > imagination of > an instant solution to all your problems which you > don´t wish to > face. If you want an immediate realease from suffering > without > noticing it, I´m affraid K is not your man, but of > course anything > can be misinterpreted according to your actual needs > ;-) > > Len > ................................................. > You lost me there.. > Yes I do embrace instant solution by mere presence and > it works. Nothing more that I can offer. > Patricia KO!!! Lemme guess, Bill, You like Patricia and you don't like Len? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > > > --- lissbon2002 <lissbon2002 a écrit : > > > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia > <gdtige@> > wrote: > > > > I often ponder on what Niz says about worshipping > the > > I AM, giving it all one`s attention etc... > > This morning, I remembered how K.would always urge > to > > watch oneself, how you walk, how you speak, etc... > > Same thing, that total devotion to oneself.. > > This morning I understood a little better what > happens > > one you do that, when you put your attention on > > yourself... > > It is sooo simple...There is no more straying away > > with one`s imagination or tyranical thought > process.. > > but a friendly, simple presence that allows > > Fresh Air to come in.. > > ..is it all too simple for us, very important > > creatures that we are... > > Patricia > > > > No Patricia, take a better look and you may see that > there is a > practically constant straying away with ones > imagination, but you > don´t notice it, because you´straying away with your > imagination of > an instant solution to all your problems which you > don´t wish to > face. If you want an immediate realease from suffering > without > noticing it, I´m affraid K is not your man, but of > course anything > can be misinterpreted according to your actual needs > ;-) > > Len > ................................................. > You lost me there.. > Yes I do embrace instant solution by mere presence and > it works. Nothing more that I can offer. > Patricia I see. As long as it works, you won´t be interested in questioning it. Enjoy while you can. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige@> wrote: > > > > > > --- lissbon2002 <lissbon2002@> a écrit : > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia > > <gdtige@> > > wrote: > > > > > > I often ponder on what Niz says about worshipping > > the > > > I AM, giving it all one`s attention etc... > > > This morning, I remembered how K.would always urge > > to > > > watch oneself, how you walk, how you speak, etc... > > > Same thing, that total devotion to oneself.. > > > This morning I understood a little better what > > happens > > > one you do that, when you put your attention on > > > yourself... > > > It is sooo simple...There is no more straying away > > > with one`s imagination or tyranical thought > > process.. > > > but a friendly, simple presence that allows > > > Fresh Air to come in.. > > > ..is it all too simple for us, very important > > > creatures that we are... > > > Patricia > > > > > > > > No Patricia, take a better look and you may see that > > there is a > > practically constant straying away with ones > > imagination, but you > > don´t notice it, because you´straying away with your > > imagination of > > an instant solution to all your problems which you > > don´t wish to > > face. If you want an immediate realease from suffering > > without > > noticing it, I´m affraid K is not your man, but of > > course anything > > can be misinterpreted according to your actual needs > > ;-) > > > > Len > > ................................................. > > You lost me there.. > > Yes I do embrace instant solution by mere presence and > > it works. Nothing more that I can offer. > > Patricia > > KO!!! Life is a fight and you´re a referee, right? Enjoy Deep Peace. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 In a message dated 3/8/2006 8:10:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 03:11:50 -0000 " toombaru2006 " <lastrain Re: Nis. and Krishnamurti > > But if you pay too much attention to yourself, you're > in danger of noticing > the truth, which you say you don't want to do. > Did I miss something? > The assumed self is the only obstacle to the 'truth " . The assumed 'self' is a closed loop...It can 'see' nothing but its own past. Its totality in nothing but mnemonic debris. There in no 'it' separate from its actions. toombaru Whelp, the way I look at it is, there's two kinds of truth; there's Absolute Truth, which can never be found in the illusion, and there's relative truth, which can always be found in the illusion because we create it. The reason Truth can't be seen is that it's 'covered up' by illusion. (Actually, an intense creative focus on illusion) The illusion actually requires a lot of maintenance for the simple reason that it's not real. The mind has to remain active and attached in a multitude of ways in order to continue to maintain the sense of self and the appearance of reality that this thought lends to our experience. If this relative truth is explored and realized, what becomes of the illusion that was never the truth to begin with? When the truth of the illusion is known, what remains? This is what you, yourself are doing, except that you're trying to erase the illusion with mental concepts rather than knowing. The trap is that one who does not exist will never 'look', and therefore can never know the truth that he doesn't exist. It remains nothing more than an idea, and a way for mind to survive by pretending it never was. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 --- ADHHUB a écrit : In a message dated 3/8/2006 12:35:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 17:22:26 +0100 (CET) OConnor Patricia <gdtige Nis. and Krishnamurti I often ponder on what Niz says about worshipping the I AM, giving it all one`s attention etc... This morning, I remembered how K.would always urge to watch oneself, how you walk, how you speak, etc... Same thing, that total devotion to oneself.. This morning I understood a little better what happens one you do that, when you put your attention on yourself... It is sooo simple...There is no more straying away with one`s imagination or tyranical thought process.. but a friendly, simple presence that allows Fresh Air to come in.. ...is it all too simple for us, very important creatures that we are... Patricia But if you pay too much attention to yourself, you're in danger of noticing the truth, which you say you don't want to do. Did I miss something? .................................................................................\ ........ Touche! I like that Phil! Patricia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 > > But if you pay too much attention to yourself, you're > in danger of noticing > the truth, which you say you don't want to do. > Did I miss something? > The assumed self is the only obstacle to the 'truth " . The assumed 'self' is a closed loop...It can 'see' nothing but its own past. Its totality in nothing but mnemonic debris. There in no 'it' separate from its actions. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 In a message dated 3/9/2006 12:58:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 06:16:38 -0000 " toombaru2006 " <lastrain Re: Nis. and Krishnamurti >there's two kinds of truth; The assumption that there is such a 'thing' as 'truth' and something separate to which it could be applied is a pretty big leap......The existence of 'truth would require the existence of its polar opposite .....hummm.....shall we call that 'untruth'?........but then dividing that assumption of truth into two categories......... Can you see where this is going?.. P: In the context of the relative, there is truth and untruth. In the context of the Absolute, neither of these has meaning. When you wake up in the morning, you can shave your face because in the context of the illusion, you have a face and a shaver and a temporal framework in which to do this. In the context of the Absolute, none of these things exist. Can you see where this is going? This has all been discussed repeatedly. (hint) Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/8/2006 8:10:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Thu, 09 Mar 2006 03:11:50 -0000 > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain > Re: Nis. and Krishnamurti > > > > > > But if you pay too much attention to yourself, you're > > in danger of noticing > > the truth, which you say you don't want to do. > > Did I miss something? > > > > > The assumed self is the only obstacle to the 'truth " . > > The assumed 'self' is a closed loop...It can 'see' nothing but its own past. > > Its totality in nothing but mnemonic debris. > > There in no 'it' separate from its actions. > > > > > toombaru > > > > Whelp, the way I look at it is, (This statement should be your first warning) >there's two kinds of truth; The assumption that there is such a 'thing' as 'truth' and something separate to which it could be applied is a pretty big leap......The existence of 'truth would require the existence of its polar opposite .....hummm.....shall we call that 'untruth'?........but then dividing that assumption of truth into two categories......... Can you see where this is going?.. > there's Absolute > Truth, which can never be found in the illusion, All there is ids the illusion.......There is nothing beyond the dream. and there's relative truth, > which can always be found in the illusion because we create it. " Relative truth would have to apply to 'things' " Things' are conceptual overlays that have no separate distinct reality. > The reason > Truth can't be seen is that it's 'covered up' by illusion. If it were really the Ultimate truth....could it be covered by 'illusion'? (Actually, an > intense creative focus on illusion) > > The illusion actually requires a lot of maintenance for the simple reason > that it's not real. The mind has to remain active and attached in a multitude of > ways in order to continue to maintain the sense of self and the appearance > of reality that this thought lends to our experience. If this relative truth > is explored and realized, what becomes of the illusion that was never the > truth to begin with? When the truth of the illusion is known, what remains? > > This is what you, yourself are doing, except that you're trying to erase the > illusion with mental concepts rather than knowing. The trap is that one who > does not exist will never 'look', and therefore can never know the truth that > he doesn't exist. It remains nothing more than an idea, and a way for mind to > survive by pretending it never was. > > Phil > > Well.............you lost me there............ That which cannot be understood....cannot be commented on. (hint) toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/8/2006 12:35:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Wed, 8 Mar 2006 17:22:26 +0100 (CET) > OConnor Patricia <gdtige > Nis. and Krishnamurti > > I often ponder on what Niz says about worshipping the > I AM, giving it all one`s attention etc... > This morning, I remembered how K.would always urge to > watch oneself, how you walk, how you speak, etc... > Same thing, that total devotion to oneself.. > This morning I understood a little better what happens > one you do that, when you put your attention on > yourself... > It is sooo simple...There is no more straying away > with one`s imagination or tyranical thought process.. > but a friendly, simple presence that allows > Fresh Air to come in.. > ..is it all too simple for us, very important > creatures that we are... > Patricia > > > > But if you pay too much attention to yourself, you're in danger of noticing > the truth, which you say you don't want to do. > Did I miss something? Not as long as she only allows Fresh Air to come in. Patricia knows very well what she´s doing, you shouldn´t underestimate her cleverness ;-) Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/8/2006 12:35:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Wed, 08 Mar 2006 17:48:33 -0000 > " billrishel " <illusyn > Re: Nis. and Krishnamurti > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige@> wrote: > > > > > > --- lissbon2002 <lissbon2002@> a écrit : > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia > > <gdtige@> > > wrote: > > > > > > I often ponder on what Niz says about worshipping > > the > > > I AM, giving it all one`s attention etc... > > > This morning, I remembered how K.would always urge > > to > > > watch oneself, how you walk, how you speak, etc... > > > Same thing, that total devotion to oneself.. > > > This morning I understood a little better what > > happens > > > one you do that, when you put your attention on > > > yourself... > > > It is sooo simple...There is no more straying away > > > with one`s imagination or tyranical thought > > process.. > > > but a friendly, simple presence that allows > > > Fresh Air to come in.. > > > ..is it all too simple for us, very important > > > creatures that we are... > > > Patricia > > > > > > > > No Patricia, take a better look and you may see that > > there is a > > practically constant straying away with ones > > imagination, but you > > don´t notice it, because you´straying away with your > > imagination of > > an instant solution to all your problems which you > > don´t wish to > > face. If you want an immediate realease from suffering > > without > > noticing it, I´m affraid K is not your man, but of > > course anything > > can be misinterpreted according to your actual needs > > ;-) > > > > Len > > ................................................. > > You lost me there.. > > Yes I do embrace instant solution by mere presence and > > it works. Nothing more that I can offer. > > Patricia > > KO!!! > > > > Lemme guess, Bill, You like Patricia and you don't like Len? I´m a pain in the ass disturbing his Deep Peace. I´m affraid that´s my vocation ;-) Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/8/2006 8:10:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Thu, 09 Mar 2006 03:11:50 -0000 > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain > Re: Nis. and Krishnamurti > > > > > > But if you pay too much attention to yourself, you're > > in danger of noticing > > the truth, which you say you don't want to do. > > Did I miss something? > > > > > The assumed self is the only obstacle to the 'truth " . > > The assumed 'self' is a closed loop...It can 'see' nothing but its own past. > > Its totality in nothing but mnemonic debris. > > There in no 'it' separate from its actions. > > > > > toombaru > > > > Whelp, the way I look at it is, there's two kinds of truth; there's Absolute > Truth, which can never be found in the illusion, and there's relative truth, > which can always be found in the illusion because we create it. The reason > Truth can't be seen is that it's 'covered up' by illusion. (Actually, an > intense creative focus on illusion) > > The illusion actually requires a lot of maintenance for the simple reason > that it's not real. The mind has to remain active and attached in a multitude of > ways in order to continue to maintain the sense of self and the appearance > of reality that this thought lends to our experience. If this relative truth > is explored and realized, what becomes of the illusion that was never the > truth to begin with? When the truth of the illusion is known, what remains? > > This is what you, yourself are doing, except that you're trying to erase the > illusion with mental concepts rather than knowing. The trap is that one who > does not exist will never 'look', and therefore can never know the truth that > he doesn't exist. It remains nothing more than an idea, and a way for mind to > survive by pretending it never was. > > Phil Well said. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/9/2006 12:58:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Thu, 09 Mar 2006 06:16:38 -0000 > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain > Re: Nis. and Krishnamurti > > > > >there's two kinds of truth; > > The assumption that there is such a 'thing' as 'truth' and something > separate to which it > could be applied is a pretty big leap......The existence of 'truth would > require the existence > of its polar opposite .....hummm.....shall we call that > 'untruth'?........but then dividing that > assumption of truth into two categories......... > > Can you see where this is going?.. > > > P: In the context of the relative, there is truth and untruth. In the > context of the Absolute, neither of these has meaning. When you wake up in the > morning, you can shave your face because in the context of the illusion, you have > a face and a shaver and a temporal framework in which to do this. In the > context of the Absolute, none of these things exist. > We are told by the sages that the 'Relative' and the Absolute are One. Samsara is Nirvana....Transcendence is Immanence...... If that is the case......how pertinent are your conceptual incisions and self-referential value judgements? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 In a message dated 3/9/2006 7:26:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 14:03:25 -0000 " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 Re: Nis. and Krishnamurti Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/8/2006 12:35:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Wed, 8 Mar 2006 17:22:26 +0100 (CET) > OConnor Patricia <gdtige > Nis. and Krishnamurti > > I often ponder on what Niz says about worshipping the > I AM, giving it all one`s attention etc... > This morning, I remembered how K.would always urge to > watch oneself, how you walk, how you speak, etc... > Same thing, that total devotion to oneself.. > This morning I understood a little better what happens > one you do that, when you put your attention on > yourself... > It is sooo simple...There is no more straying away > with one`s imagination or tyranical thought process.. > but a friendly, simple presence that allows > Fresh Air to come in.. > ..is it all too simple for us, very important > creatures that we are... > Patricia > > > > But if you pay too much attention to yourself, you're in danger of noticing > the truth, which you say you don't want to do. > Did I miss something? Not as long as she only allows Fresh Air to come in. Patricia knows very well what she´s doing, you shouldn´t underestimate her cleverness ;-) Len Okey dokey. As long as she can still avoid the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 In a message dated 3/9/2006 7:26:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 14:05:02 -0000 " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 Re: Nis. and Krishnamurti Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/8/2006 12:35:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Wed, 08 Mar 2006 17:48:33 -0000 > " billrishel " <illusyn > Re: Nis. and Krishnamurti > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige@> wrote: > > > > > > --- lissbon2002 <lissbon2002@> a écrit : > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia > > <gdtige@> > > wrote: > > > > > > I often ponder on what Niz says about worshipping > > the > > > I AM, giving it all one`s attention etc... > > > This morning, I remembered how K.would always urge > > to > > > watch oneself, how you walk, how you speak, etc... > > > Same thing, that total devotion to oneself.. > > > This morning I understood a little better what > > happens > > > one you do that, when you put your attention on > > > yourself... > > > It is sooo simple...There is no more straying away > > > with one`s imagination or tyranical thought > > process.. > > > but a friendly, simple presence that allows > > > Fresh Air to come in.. > > > ..is it all too simple for us, very important > > > creatures that we are... > > > Patricia > > > > > > > > No Patricia, take a better look and you may see that > > there is a > > practically constant straying away with ones > > imagination, but you > > don´t notice it, because you´straying away with your > > imagination of > > an instant solution to all your problems which you > > don´t wish to > > face. If you want an immediate realease from suffering > > without > > noticing it, I´m affraid K is not your man, but of > > course anything > > can be misinterpreted according to your actual needs > > ;-) > > > > Len > > ................................................. > > You lost me there.. > > Yes I do embrace instant solution by mere presence and > > it works. Nothing more that I can offer. > > Patricia > > KO!!! > > > > Lemme guess, Bill, You like Patricia and you don't like Len? I´m a pain in the ass disturbing his Deep Peace. I´m affraid that´s my vocation ;-) Len Well, it's a dirty job, but somebody's gotta do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 In a message dated 3/9/2006 7:26:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 14:50:51 -0000 " toombaru2006 " <lastrain Re: Nis. and Krishnamurti --- In Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/9/2006 12:58:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Thu, 09 Mar 2006 06:16:38 -0000 > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain > Re: Nis. and Krishnamurti > > > > >there's two kinds of truth; > > The assumption that there is such a 'thing' as 'truth' and something > separate to which it > could be applied is a pretty big leap......The existence of 'truth would > require the existence > of its polar opposite .....hummm.....shall we call that > 'untruth'?........but then dividing that > assumption of truth into two categories......... > > Can you see where this is going?.. > > > P: In the context of the relative, there is truth and untruth. In the > context of the Absolute, neither of these has meaning. When you wake up in the > morning, you can shave your face because in the context of the illusion, you have > a face and a shaver and a temporal framework in which to do this. In the > context of the Absolute, none of these things exist. > We are told by the sages that the 'Relative' and the Absolute are One. Samsara is Nirvana....Transcendence is Immanence...... If that is the case......how pertinent are your conceptual incisions and self-referential value judgements? Not pertinent at all unless you plan to shave tomorrow, or post on a forum. Notice that in the context in which relative and Absolute are One, this does not deny the relative, but instead includes it as inseparable from what is. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 --- lissbon2002 <lissbon2002 a écrit : Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/8/2006 12:35:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Wed, 08 Mar 2006 17:48:33 -0000 > " billrishel " <illusyn > Re: Nis. and Krishnamurti > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige@> wrote: > > > > > > --- lissbon2002 <lissbon2002@> a écrit : > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia > > <gdtige@> > > wrote: > > > > > > I often ponder on what Niz says about worshipping > > the > > > I AM, giving it all one`s attention etc... > > > This morning, I remembered how K.would always urge > > to > > > watch oneself, how you walk, how you speak, etc... > > > Same thing, that total devotion to oneself.. > > > This morning I understood a little better what > > happens > > > one you do that, when you put your attention on > > > yourself... > > > It is sooo simple...There is no more straying away > > > with one`s imagination or tyranical thought > > process.. > > > but a friendly, simple presence that allows > > > Fresh Air to come in.. > > > ..is it all too simple for us, very important > > > creatures that we are... > > > Patricia > > > > > > > > No Patricia, take a better look and you may see that > > there is a > > practically constant straying away with ones > > imagination, but you > > don´t notice it, because you´straying away with your > > imagination of > > an instant solution to all your problems which you > > don´t wish to > > face. If you want an immediate realease from suffering > > without > > noticing it, I´m affraid K is not your man, but of > > course anything > > can be misinterpreted according to your actual needs > > ;-) > > > > Len > > ................................................. > > You lost me there.. > > Yes I do embrace instant solution by mere presence and > > it works. Nothing more that I can offer. > > Patricia > > KO!!! > > > > Lemme guess, Bill, You like Patricia and you don't like Len? I´m a pain in the ass disturbing his Deep Peace. I´m affraid that´s my vocation ;-) Len Poor poor Len, what a crapy vocation you chose. Patricia ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/9/2006 7:26:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Thu, 09 Mar 2006 14:05:02 -0000 > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 > Re: Nis. and Krishnamurti > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 3/8/2006 12:35:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > Wed, 08 Mar 2006 17:48:33 -0000 > > " billrishel " <illusyn@> > > Re: Nis. and Krishnamurti > > > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > --- lissbon2002 <lissbon2002@> a écrit : > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia > > > <gdtige@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I often ponder on what Niz says about worshipping > > > the > > > > I AM, giving it all one`s attention etc... > > > > This morning, I remembered how K.would always urge > > > to > > > > watch oneself, how you walk, how you speak, etc... > > > > Same thing, that total devotion to oneself.. > > > > This morning I understood a little better what > > > happens > > > > one you do that, when you put your attention on > > > > yourself... > > > > It is sooo simple...There is no more straying away > > > > with one`s imagination or tyranical thought > > > process.. > > > > but a friendly, simple presence that allows > > > > Fresh Air to come in.. > > > > ..is it all too simple for us, very important > > > > creatures that we are... > > > > Patricia > > > > > > > > > > > > No Patricia, take a better look and you may see that > > > there is a > > > practically constant straying away with ones > > > imagination, but you > > > don´t notice it, because you´straying away with your > > > imagination of > > > an instant solution to all your problems which you > > > don´t wish to > > > face. If you want an immediate realease from suffering > > > without > > > noticing it, I´m affraid K is not your man, but of > > > course anything > > > can be misinterpreted according to your actual needs > > > ;-) > > > > > > Len > > > ................................................. > > > You lost me there.. > > > Yes I do embrace instant solution by mere presence and > > > it works. Nothing more that I can offer. > > > Patricia > > > > KO!!! > > > > > > > > Lemme guess, Bill, You like Patricia and you don't like Len? > > > > I´m a pain in the ass disturbing his Deep Peace. > I´m affraid that´s my vocation ;-) > > Len > > > > Well, it's a dirty job, but somebody's gotta do it. > It apparently h as to be done through some body. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/9/2006 7:26:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Thu, 09 Mar 2006 14:05:02 -0000 > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 > Re: Nis. and Krishnamurti > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 3/8/2006 12:35:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > Wed, 08 Mar 2006 17:48:33 -0000 > > " billrishel " <illusyn@> > > Re: Nis. and Krishnamurti > > > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > --- lissbon2002 <lissbon2002@> a écrit : > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia > > > <gdtige@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I often ponder on what Niz says about worshipping > > > the > > > > I AM, giving it all one`s attention etc... > > > > This morning, I remembered how K.would always urge > > > to > > > > watch oneself, how you walk, how you speak, etc... > > > > Same thing, that total devotion to oneself.. > > > > This morning I understood a little better what > > > happens > > > > one you do that, when you put your attention on > > > > yourself... > > > > It is sooo simple...There is no more straying away > > > > with one`s imagination or tyranical thought > > > process.. > > > > but a friendly, simple presence that allows > > > > Fresh Air to come in.. > > > > ..is it all too simple for us, very important > > > > creatures that we are... > > > > Patricia > > > > > > > > > > > > No Patricia, take a better look and you may see that > > > there is a > > > practically constant straying away with ones > > > imagination, but you > > > don´t notice it, because you´straying away with your > > > imagination of > > > an instant solution to all your problems which you > > > don´t wish to > > > face. If you want an immediate realease from suffering > > > without > > > noticing it, I´m affraid K is not your man, but of > > > course anything > > > can be misinterpreted according to your actual needs > > > ;-) > > > > > > Len > > > ................................................. > > > You lost me there.. > > > Yes I do embrace instant solution by mere presence and > > > it works. Nothing more that I can offer. > > > Patricia > > > > KO!!! > > > > > > > > Lemme guess, Bill, You like Patricia and you don't like Len? > Not at all. I've found a number of his remarks quite interesting in fact. I'm not in the business of liking/not liking people. If you are at a large gathering of people you will find that some are interesting to talk to, others less so, and others not at all. On another day at a gathering of the very same people the ones you find interesting to talking might includes ones on the " not at all " list of the day before. Liking/not liking someone is the same sort of illusory sense of " persistence " that is the root of all illusion. There is no such thing as what someone is " really like " . Everything is in flux. > > I´m a pain in the ass disturbing his Deep Peace. I don't *have* Deep Peace. Bill > I´m affraid that´s my vocation ;-) > > Len > > > > Well, it's a dirty job, but somebody's gotta do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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