Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 In a message dated 3/7/2006 11:35:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 04:30:33 -0000 " billrishel " <illusyn (((Re: Are you " not " ? P: To me, meaning, profound or otherwise, is assigned: We give meaning to our own experiences. Nothing objectively means anything. ~~~~~~~~~~ B: But ultimately all is Subjective. When dissolved into Now what is " objectivity " ? P: We're saying the same thing, yes? B: In a sense What Is/Now is the ultimate objective and the ultimate subjective, both. P: From the perspective of ego, yes. The objective is illusion, eh? B: But then the notion of meaning " as assignment " is no more, not in Now. P: Ego is still present. Meaning is still assigned. Being present in the moment doesn't make ego go away, it just allows ego to be present. B: And consider this: meaning is the complete absence of conflict. What I am getting at is that " deep meaning " is not a *property* of something. It is inherent in what is Real, in What Is. P: I see no meaning but that which I, as ego, assign. This occurs whether or not there is conflict. It's in the nature of subjective experience. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <annaruiz wrote: > > what if > there was nothing to talk about > no one to see > no one to hear > no one to speak > > who would remain here? > and who would be called? > > would there be a beating heart? > > > Ana speaking, though no one here hearing, though no one here seing, though no one here nothing remains when the void cleans the slate nothing remains yet nothing missing Bill > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > Sounds along the lines of Krishnamurti, Werner. > > As in, the observer is the observed. > > > > Bill > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Yes Bill, > > > > > > Ultimatively all is Subjective. > > > > > > Consciousness is subjective, personal. When one looks at a tree > it > > > seems real but this reality of that tree it is created by a > > > subjective brain. Therefore the tree represents one's > subjectivity. > > > > > > All " real " objects are subjective and therefore it is justified > to > > > speak of a objectivity/subjectivity = the object is its subject. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > To me, meaning, profound or otherwise, is assigned: > > > > We give meaning to our own experiences. Nothing > > > > objectively means anything. > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > > > But ultimately all is Subjective. > > > > > > > > When dissolved into Now what is " objectivity " ? > > > > > > > > In a sense What Is/Now is the ultimate objective > > > > and the ultimate subjective, both. > > > > > > > > But then the notion of meaning " as assignment " > > > > is no more, not in Now. > > > > > > > > And consider this: meaning is the complete > > > > absence of conflict. > > > > > > > > What I am getting at is that " deep meaning " > > > > is not a *property* of something. It is inherent > > > > in what is Real, in What Is. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <annaruiz wrote: > > what if > there was nothing to talk about > no one to see > no one to hear > no one to speak > > who would remain here? > and who would be called? > > would there be a beating heart? > > > Ana speaking, though no one here hearing, though no one here seing, though no one here nothing remains when the void cleans the slate nothing remains yet nothing missing Bill very nice! P > _________________________ Nouveau : téléphonez moins cher avec Messenger ! Découvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international. Téléchargez sur http://fr.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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