Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 You don't need to be a member to read the messages. Have you clicked that link ? Werner Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > > > --- Werner Woehr <wwoehr a écrit : > > > > Hi Pat, > > You can also read this one: > > NonDualPhil/message/14493 > > Werner > > I`d like to read it, but am not a member of > nondualphil, can you sumerise for me ? > Patricia > > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia > <gdtige@> > wrote: > > > > I often ponder on what Niz says about worshipping > the > > I AM, giving it all one`s attention etc... > > This morning, I remembered how K.would always urge > to > > watch oneself, how you walk, how you speak, etc... > > Same thing, that total devotion to oneself.. > > This morning I understood a little better what > happens > > one you do that, when you put your attention on > > yourself... > > It is sooo simple...There is no more straying away > > with one`s imagination or tyranical thought > process.. > > but a friendly, simple presence that allows > > Fresh Air to come in.. > > ..is it all too simple for us, very important > > creatures that we are... > > Patricia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________ > _____ > > Nouveau : téléphonez moins cher avec > Messenger ! Découvez > les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et > l'international. > > Téléchargez sur http://fr.messenger. > > ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to > change your subscription, sign in with your ID > and go to Edit My Groups: > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " > for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 --- Werner Woehr <wwoehr a écrit : You don't need to be a member to read the messages. Have you clicked that link ? Werner .............................................. I`ve clicked on the link, entered the message number and it says <members only.> Patricia --- _________________________ Nouveau : téléphonez moins cher avec Messenger ! Découvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international. Téléchargez sur http://fr.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Sorry, Pat, I didn't know that. Here is a copy of Bill's post: Werner ....................... Dan: <<<<<< Hi Bill: I am happy hearing that you heard him live and that he informed your early days. I same him several times and read him endlessly until Nisargadatta's " I AM THAT " surplanted him for 10 years. I have been drawn to occassionaly read a bit of Krishnamurti now. It is unparalleled, in many ways. Krishnamurti spoke to the obstacle and potential hypocrisy of " landing " on any prescriptive or dream. He attributed all interference to addiction to the familiar and the sure.He specialized in the lost art of contemplative conversation, using the thorn of thought to function as the remover of the excesses of thought, toward a freedom from the known. Thought, he saw as the great constructor of the world whose uses had become somehow misappropriated to function where it hindered rather than served life. >>>>>> What you say about " misappropriated function " comes through especailly clearly in *The Ending of Time*, conversations with David Bohm. That important distinction has been valuable again and again in explaining to others about the role of thought, in particular to those who want to say all thinking is illusory. <<<<< In many ways, he seems closer to Nargarjuna than to Advaita. He called himself, as you remember, " the speaker " . He never used the word " I " . And it felt quite authentic when he addressed himself that way. The stillness which he represented, the phenomenological respect for the undisturbed suchness, the quality of his merciless investigation >>>>> I see him as being the ultimate in austerity. He had the fierce, piercing intent of an eagle, and beyond. <<<<<< and beseechments, the almost holding-you-by-the-hand verbal guidance he employed as he walked his audience through collective investigation into the actual nature of thought, hasn't been replicated since, in my opinion. It is a pity his written talks remain unknown and unaccessed by much of the Neo-Advaita generation. His content would astound and shock many of them and might serve to bring a new rigor to the field of inquiry for those in need of that. In some way, he is too difficult and demanding for many, because the honesty and authenticity in his view never has even the faintest intention to make people temporarily feel good. >>>>>> He often repeated how what people were seeking was gratification, and that he offered none. He was/is a very tough teacher. Really, looking back, it seems that his message, over and over again, could be boiled down to: " You aren't really looking, are you? " At the time I didn't now how to " really look " , but I read him with all sincerity, and absorbed a great deal... well, I guess I *was* learning to look, though in retrospect it seems so meager. I want to comment here about a quality of your writing in this piece. Nisargadatta sometimes would speak of " solid like a rock " as in: To me nothing ever happens. There is something changeless, motionless, immovable, rocklike, unassailable; a solid mass of pure being-consciousness-bliss. I am never out of it. Nothing can take me out of it, no torture, no calamity. To me real truth-speak is like that. There is no place for a razor blade to get in. Or as oil fresh-crushed, oozing from Being. What you have written here has that quality for me. Bill Note: rereading just now what I said about K being the ultimate in austerity... well, he and Nisargadatta as well, but in very different ways somehow. Krishnamurti was austere in " giving you nothing " . Nisargadatta was austere like a punch in the stomach. And it was Nisargadatta that really got through to me. It was he that made me realize that I was too damn comfortable, that I wasn't giving 100%. I guess in my case I just needed that punch in the stomach Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > > > --- Werner Woehr <wwoehr a écrit : > > > > You don't need to be a member to read the messages. > > Have you clicked that link ? > > Werner > ............................................. > I`ve clicked on the link, entered the message number > and it says <members only.> > Patricia > > > --- > > > > > > > ____________________ _____ > Nouveau : téléphonez moins cher avec Messenger ! Découvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international. > Téléchargez sur http://fr.messenger. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Thank-you! Patricia --- Werner Woehr <wwoehr a écrit : Sorry, Pat, I didn't know that. Here is a copy of Bill's post: Werner ....................... Dan: <<<<<< Hi Bill: I am happy hearing that you heard him live and that he informed your early days. I same him several times and read him endlessly until Nisargadatta's " I AM THAT " surplanted him for 10 years. I have been drawn to occassionaly read a bit of Krishnamurti now. It is unparalleled, in many ways. Krishnamurti spoke to the obstacle and potential hypocrisy of " landing " on any prescriptive or dream. He attributed all interference to addiction to the familiar and the sure.He specialized in the lost art of contemplative conversation, using the thorn of thought to function as the remover of the excesses of thought, toward a freedom from the known. Thought, he saw as the great constructor of the world whose uses had become somehow misappropriated to function where it hindered rather than served life. >>>>>> What you say about " misappropriated function " comes through especailly clearly in *The Ending of Time*, conversations with David Bohm. That important distinction has been valuable again and again in explaining to others about the role of thought, in particular to those who want to say all thinking is illusory. <<<<< In many ways, he seems closer to Nargarjuna than to Advaita. He called himself, as you remember, " the speaker " . He never used the word " I " . And it felt quite authentic when he addressed himself that way. The stillness which he represented, the phenomenological respect for the undisturbed suchness, the quality of his merciless investigation >>>>> I see him as being the ultimate in austerity. He had the fierce, piercing intent of an eagle, and beyond. <<<<<< and beseechments, the almost holding-you-by-the-hand verbal guidance he employed as he walked his audience through collective investigation into the actual nature of thought, hasn't been replicated since, in my opinion. It is a pity his written talks remain unknown and unaccessed by much of the Neo-Advaita generation. His content would astound and shock many of them and might serve to bring a new rigor to the field of inquiry for those in need of that. In some way, he is too difficult and demanding for many, because the honesty and authenticity in his view never has even the faintest intention to make people temporarily feel good. >>>>>> He often repeated how what people were seeking was gratification, and that he offered none. He was/is a very tough teacher. Really, looking back, it seems that his message, over and over again, could be boiled down to: " You aren't really looking, are you? " At the time I didn't now how to " really look " , but I read him with all sincerity, and absorbed a great deal... well, I guess I *was* learning to look, though in retrospect it seems so meager. I want to comment here about a quality of your writing in this piece. Nisargadatta sometimes would speak of " solid like a rock " as in: To me nothing ever happens. There is something changeless, motionless, immovable, rocklike, unassailable; a solid mass of pure being-consciousness-bliss. I am never out of it. Nothing can take me out of it, no torture, no calamity. To me real truth-speak is like that. There is no place for a razor blade to get in. Or as oil fresh-crushed, oozing from Being. What you have written here has that quality for me. Bill Note: rereading just now what I said about K being the ultimate in austerity... well, he and Nisargadatta as well, but in very different ways somehow. Krishnamurti was austere in " giving you nothing " . Nisargadatta was austere like a punch in the stomach. And it was Nisargadatta that really got through to me. It was he that made me realize that I was too damn comfortable, that I wasn't giving 100%. I guess in my case I just needed that punch in the stomach Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > > > --- Werner Woehr <wwoehr a écrit : > > > > You don't need to be a member to read the messages. > > Have you clicked that link ? > > Werner > ............................................. > I`ve clicked on the link, entered the message number > and it says <members only.> > Patricia > > > --- > > > > > > > ____________________ _____ > Nouveau : téléphonez moins cher avec Messenger ! Découvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international. > Téléchargez sur http://fr.messenger. > ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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