Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 In a message dated 3/8/2006 7:43:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 11:17:47 -0000 " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069 Re: it's a seinfeld board... aboard about nothing Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > there's seems to be the inclination by the members that if others (meaning > those who don't agree with their viewpoint) " stick with it " that clarity will > arrive (or whatever they think enlightenment is). is seems rather pejorative > (scrabble 19 pts.) > > > " Pejorative " . Yes, very nice. > So, basically, what you're saying is that most here believe they have > accomplished something that they feel they should teach others? I believe there > have been some accomplishments here, but wouldn't the inclination to teach this > seem to imply that there is a need to reinforce their ego position? Either > that, or they're just trying to be helpful. But if that were the case, it would > be friendly rather than belligerant and there's not much friendliness goin on > here really, so I'm goin with the first idea. > > As mentioned before, my sense here is that of circularity and stagnation. > And seeing as how there were at least 300 posts today, we be running in circles > at light speed here. So if all the above is true, mayhaps the stagnation > results from a lack of humility; ego believing that is has a plan that's better > than God's plan, so nobody ever really comes to new understandings. And it > occurs to me that this is possibly the result of the understanding that there is > no God as such. Ego then defers to nothing because nothing is all there is. > Hmmm..... > > Well, it seems clear that the circularity occurs for two reasons. One is > that positionalities are never surrendered. The other is that thinkingness is > sneered at and 'looking within' seems to be virtually unknown, and so there's > little chance of movement in the area of conceptualization and understanding. > > Okay, folks, does any of that sound like what's goin on here? Maybe I should > ask if anybody cares......I guess the egos are gonna look for ways to > crucify me, huh? Sorry guys, I don't have the time or the patience these days to > play all the ego games, so there ya have it without all the window dressing. > This is where we decide if it's time for God to win, or if we can hold him off > a little longer. Is truth as important here as I think it is? ****************** " What is truth? " -- Pontius Pilate Once discovered, what does it matter? Life goes on in the Here and Now. " Silver " Okay, buddy, come over here and sit on this rock.....yeah, the one by the edge. So, ya figure truth/Truth doesn't matter? Ultimately, You ARE Truth. If you seek to know what you are, Truth matters very much. NotReallySilver: But Phil, we can't actually know Absolute Truth in the illusion, so who cares? Phil: Well, to begin with, if Truth isn't your first love, how do you ever expect to realize it? Something else will always come ahead of it. By always seeking the highest truth we can find in the illusion, the illusion itself begins to dissolve, because the illusion is not the Truth, see? NotReallySilver: So, spiritual exploration in the illusion is really about noticing the illusion and seeing it for the untruth it is? Phil: Exactly. All of us are exploring the boundaries that keep us from moving forward. That's all that happens. We like to imagine that we're learning about God or that we have a special super duper technique or some other ego doing, but none of that works. We're always exploring our self deceptions or limiting beliefs that we use to keep the illusion in place. That's what's occurring here. While everyone imagines that they have an answer, what's really going on is that they're trying to transcend that foolish and limiting belief by exploring it, and that's why everybody sounds so ignorant to everybody else here. Only our own deeply held beliefs seem to make sense...until they don't. NotReallySilver: Thanks, Phil. You're truly a wonderful person. Phil: Aww go on....................No, I mean it. Go on........................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Nothing really changes once the Truth is known. Life goes on as it used to. I still have to go to work every day. I still have to eat and sleep. I still have to do my dishes and wash my floors. I still have to pay my bills on time. The only difference is that I have a deep and quiet understanding of what's what and I can play the game of Life with absolutely no worries whatsoever. It's wonderful. I didn't mean to imply that Truth is unknowable and that it doesn't matter. I meant something else. More like what I just wrote above. Before Truth, Life. After Truth, Life. Life always goes on. Sorry about that. And yes, you are a great guy. " Silver " Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/8/2006 7:43:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Wed, 08 Mar 2006 11:17:47 -0000 > " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069 > Re: it's a seinfeld board... aboard about nothing > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > there's seems to be the inclination by the members that if others > (meaning > > those who don't agree with their viewpoint) " stick with it " that > clarity will > > arrive (or whatever they think enlightenment is). is seems rather > pejorative > > (scrabble 19 pts.) > > > > > > " Pejorative " . Yes, very nice. > > So, basically, what you're saying is that most here believe they > have > > accomplished something that they feel they should teach others? I > believe there > > have been some accomplishments here, but wouldn't the inclination > to teach this > > seem to imply that there is a need to reinforce their ego > position? Either > > that, or they're just trying to be helpful. But if that were the > case, it would > > be friendly rather than belligerant and there's not much > friendliness goin on > > here really, so I'm goin with the first idea. > > > > As mentioned before, my sense here is that of circularity and > stagnation. > > And seeing as how there were at least 300 posts today, we be > running in circles > > at light speed here. So if all the above is true, mayhaps the > stagnation > > results from a lack of humility; ego believing that is has a plan > that's better > > than God's plan, so nobody ever really comes to new > understandings. And it > > occurs to me that this is possibly the result of the understanding > that there is > > no God as such. Ego then defers to nothing because nothing is all > there is. > > Hmmm..... > > > > Well, it seems clear that the circularity occurs for two reasons. > One is > > that positionalities are never surrendered. The other is that > thinkingness is > > sneered at and 'looking within' seems to be virtually unknown, and > so there's > > little chance of movement in the area of conceptualization and > understanding. > > > > Okay, folks, does any of that sound like what's goin on here? > Maybe I should > > ask if anybody cares......I guess the egos are gonna look for ways > to > > crucify me, huh? Sorry guys, I don't have the time or the patience > these days to > > play all the ego games, so there ya have it without all the window > dressing. > > This is where we decide if it's time for God to win, or if we can > hold him off > > a little longer. Is truth as important here as I think it is? > > ****************** > > " What is truth? " -- Pontius Pilate > > Once discovered, what does it matter? Life goes on in the Here and > Now. > > " Silver " > > > > Okay, buddy, come over here and sit on this rock.....yeah, the one by the > edge. So, ya figure truth/Truth doesn't matter? Ultimately, You ARE Truth. If > you seek to know what you are, Truth matters very much. > > NotReallySilver: But Phil, we can't actually know Absolute Truth in the > illusion, so who cares? > > Phil: Well, to begin with, if Truth isn't your first love, how do you ever > expect to realize it? Something else will always come ahead of it. By always > seeking the highest truth we can find in the illusion, the illusion itself > begins to dissolve, because the illusion is not the Truth, see? > > NotReallySilver: So, spiritual exploration in the illusion is really about > noticing the illusion and seeing it for the untruth it is? > > Phil: Exactly. All of us are exploring the boundaries that keep us from > moving forward. That's all that happens. We like to imagine that we're learning > about God or that we have a special super duper technique or some other ego > doing, but none of that works. We're always exploring our self deceptions or > limiting beliefs that we use to keep the illusion in place. That's what's > occurring here. While everyone imagines that they have an answer, what's really > going on is that they're trying to transcend that foolish and limiting belief by > exploring it, and that's why everybody sounds so ignorant to everybody else > here. Only our own deeply held beliefs seem to make sense...until they don't. > > NotReallySilver: Thanks, Phil. You're truly a wonderful person. > > Phil: Aww go on....................No, I mean it. Go > on...........................> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 O;-) - s_i_l_v_e_r1069 Nisargadatta Thursday, March 09, 2006 4:39 AM Re: it's a seinfeld board... aboard about Silver Nothing really changes once the Truth is known. Life goes on as it used to. I still have to go to work every day. I still have to eat and sleep. I still have to do my dishes and wash my floors. I still have to pay my bills on time. The only difference is that I have a deep and quiet understanding of what's what and I can play the game of Life with absolutely no worries whatsoever. It's wonderful. I didn't mean to imply that Truth is unknowable and that it doesn't matter. I meant something else. More like what I just wrote above. Before Truth, Life. After Truth, Life. Life always goes on. Sorry about that. And yes, you are a great guy. " Silver " Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/8/2006 7:43:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Wed, 08 Mar 2006 11:17:47 -0000 > " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069 > Re: it's a seinfeld board... aboard about nothing > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > there's seems to be the inclination by the members that if others > (meaning > > those who don't agree with their viewpoint) " stick with it " that > clarity will > > arrive (or whatever they think enlightenment is). is seems rather > pejorative > > (scrabble 19 pts.) > > > > > > " Pejorative " . Yes, very nice. > > So, basically, what you're saying is that most here believe they > have > > accomplished something that they feel they should teach others? I > believe there > > have been some accomplishments here, but wouldn't the inclination > to teach this > > seem to imply that there is a need to reinforce their ego > position? Either > > that, or they're just trying to be helpful. But if that were the > case, it would > > be friendly rather than belligerant and there's not much > friendliness goin on > > here really, so I'm goin with the first idea. > > > > As mentioned before, my sense here is that of circularity and > stagnation. > > And seeing as how there were at least 300 posts today, we be > running in circles > > at light speed here. So if all the above is true, mayhaps the > stagnation > > results from a lack of humility; ego believing that is has a plan > that's better > > than God's plan, so nobody ever really comes to new > understandings. And it > > occurs to me that this is possibly the result of the understanding > that there is > > no God as such. Ego then defers to nothing because nothing is all > there is. > > Hmmm..... > > > > Well, it seems clear that the circularity occurs for two reasons. > One is > > that positionalities are never surrendered. The other is that > thinkingness is > > sneered at and 'looking within' seems to be virtually unknown, and > so there's > > little chance of movement in the area of conceptualization and > understanding. > > > > Okay, folks, does any of that sound like what's goin on here? > Maybe I should > > ask if anybody cares......I guess the egos are gonna look for ways > to > > crucify me, huh? Sorry guys, I don't have the time or the patience > these days to > > play all the ego games, so there ya have it without all the window > dressing. > > This is where we decide if it's time for God to win, or if we can > hold him off > > a little longer. Is truth as important here as I think it is? > > ****************** > > " What is truth? " -- Pontius Pilate > > Once discovered, what does it matter? Life goes on in the Here and > Now. > > " Silver " > > > > Okay, buddy, come over here and sit on this rock.....yeah, the one by the > edge. So, ya figure truth/Truth doesn't matter? Ultimately, You ARE Truth. If > you seek to know what you are, Truth matters very much. > > NotReallySilver: But Phil, we can't actually know Absolute Truth in the > illusion, so who cares? > > Phil: Well, to begin with, if Truth isn't your first love, how do you ever > expect to realize it? Something else will always come ahead of it. By always > seeking the highest truth we can find in the illusion, the illusion itself > begins to dissolve, because the illusion is not the Truth, see? > > NotReallySilver: So, spiritual exploration in the illusion is really about > noticing the illusion and seeing it for the untruth it is? > > Phil: Exactly. All of us are exploring the boundaries that keep us from > moving forward. That's all that happens. We like to imagine that we're learning > about God or that we have a special super duper technique or some other ego > doing, but none of that works. We're always exploring our self deceptions or > limiting beliefs that we use to keep the illusion in place. That's what's > occurring here. While everyone imagines that they have an answer, what's really > going on is that they're trying to transcend that foolish and limiting belief by > exploring it, and that's why everybody sounds so ignorant to everybody else > here. Only our own deeply held beliefs seem to make sense...until they don't. > > NotReallySilver: Thanks, Phil. You're truly a wonderful person. > > Phil: Aww go on....................No, I mean it. Go > on...........................> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Fred " <thejman wrote: > > O;-) > - > s_i_l_v_e_r1069 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, March 09, 2006 4:39 AM > Re: it's a seinfeld board... aboard about Silver > > > Nothing really changes once the Truth is known. Life goes on as it > used to. I still have to go to work every day. I still have to eat > and sleep. I still have to do my dishes and wash my floors. I > still have to pay my bills on time. The only difference is that I > have a deep and quiet understanding of what's what and I can play > the game of Life with absolutely no worries whatsoever. It's > wonderful. I didn't mean to imply that Truth is unknowable and that > it doesn't matter. I meant something else. More like what I just > wrote above. Before Truth, Life. After Truth, Life. Life always > goes on. Sorry about that. > > > > And yes, you are a great guy. > > " Silver " > Indeed. But...........there is a sharp drop off.....at the edge of the dream. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 ego deals in butts... Divinity has no need to do so. - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Thursday, March 09, 2006 11:58 AM Re: it's a seinfeld board... aboard about Silver Nisargadatta , " Fred " <thejman wrote: > > O;-) > - > s_i_l_v_e_r1069 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, March 09, 2006 4:39 AM > Re: it's a seinfeld board... aboard about Silver > > > Nothing really changes once the Truth is known. Life goes on as it > used to. I still have to go to work every day. I still have to eat > and sleep. I still have to do my dishes and wash my floors. I > still have to pay my bills on time. The only difference is that I > have a deep and quiet understanding of what's what and I can play > the game of Life with absolutely no worries whatsoever. It's > wonderful. I didn't mean to imply that Truth is unknowable and that > it doesn't matter. I meant something else. More like what I just > wrote above. Before Truth, Life. After Truth, Life. Life always > goes on. Sorry about that. > > > > And yes, you are a great guy. > > " Silver " > Indeed. But...........there is a sharp drop off.....at the edge of the dream. toombaru ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Fred " <thejman@> wrote: > > > > O;-) > > - > > s_i_l_v_e_r1069 > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, March 09, 2006 4:39 AM > > Re: it's a seinfeld board... aboard about Silver > > > > > > Nothing really changes once the Truth is known. Life goes on as it > > used to. I still have to go to work every day. I still have to eat > > and sleep. I still have to do my dishes and wash my floors. I > > still have to pay my bills on time. The only difference is that I > > have a deep and quiet understanding of what's what and I can play > > the game of Life with absolutely no worries whatsoever. It's > > wonderful. I didn't mean to imply that Truth is unknowable and that > > it doesn't matter. I meant something else. More like what I just > > wrote above. Before Truth, Life. After Truth, Life. Life always > > goes on. Sorry about that. > > > > > > > > And yes, you are a great guy. > > > > " Silver " > > > > > > Indeed. > > But...........there is a sharp drop off.....at the edge of the dream. > > > toombaru ************* You bet! Hey, Phil! I believe we have another new guest! Put some tea on for Toomb. No mead for him just yet. Life made him stop taking all intoxicants. I don't blame him. I myself just recently quit smoking. I finally saw the stupidity in it. Hehe. Now I don't read or smoke. Two addictions gone in less than two weeks. Very strange. I'm not sure what's happening to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver- 1069 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Fred " <thejman@> wrote: > > > > > > O;-) > > > - > > > s_i_l_v_e_r1069 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Thursday, March 09, 2006 4:39 AM > > > Re: it's a seinfeld board... aboard > about Silver > > > > > > > > > Nothing really changes once the Truth is known. Life goes on > as it > > > used to. I still have to go to work every day. I still have > to eat > > > and sleep. I still have to do my dishes and wash my floors. > I > > > still have to pay my bills on time. The only difference is > that I > > > have a deep and quiet understanding of what's what and I can > play > > > the game of Life with absolutely no worries whatsoever. It's > > > wonderful. I didn't mean to imply that Truth is unknowable > and that > > > it doesn't matter. I meant something else. More like what I > just > > > wrote above. Before Truth, Life. After Truth, Life. Life > always > > > goes on. Sorry about that. > > > > > > > > > > > > And yes, you are a great guy. > > > > > > " Silver " > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed. > > > > But...........there is a sharp drop off.....at the edge of the > dream. > > > > > > toombaru > > ************* > > You bet! Hey, Phil! I believe we have another new guest! Put some > tea on for Toomb. No mead for him just yet. Life made him stop > taking all intoxicants. I don't blame him. I myself just recently > quit smoking. I finally saw the stupidity in it. Hehe. Now I > don't read or smoke. Two addictions gone in less than two weeks. > Very strange. I'm not sure what's happening to me. ************* I wonder if the next addiction for me to kick will be this list? " Silver " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 [...] > > I wonder if the next addiction for me to kick will be this list? > > " Silver " Consider joining GuruRating, Silver. <GuruRating/> That is Very Likely to get rid of your " addiction " of this list! Regards, ac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming wrote: > > [...] > > > > > I wonder if the next addiction for me to kick will be this list? > > > > " Silver " > > > Consider joining GuruRating, Silver. > > <GuruRating/> The correct URL is: <GuruRatings/> I missed 's' at the end. > > That is Very Likely to get rid of your > " addiction " of this list! > > > Regards, > ac. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 In a message dated 3/9/2006 6:00:57 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 09:39:02 -0000 " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069 Re: it's a seinfeld board... aboard about Silver Nothing really changes once the Truth is known. Life goes on as it used to. I still have to go to work every day. I still have to eat and sleep. I still have to do my dishes and wash my floors. I still have to pay my bills on time. The only difference is that I have a deep and quiet understanding of what's what and I can play the game of Life with absolutely no worries whatsoever. It's wonderful. I didn't mean to imply that Truth is unknowable and that it doesn't matter. I meant something else. More like what I just wrote above. Before Truth, Life. After Truth, Life. Life always goes on. Sorry about that. Oh, okay. Well......never mind, then. Pass me the mugwort, will ya? And yes, you are a great guy. Strange......that urge to nudge you off the edge just left me. Hmmmm...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Fred " <thejman wrote: > > ego deals in butts... Divinity has no need to do so. > Cute.........(but) adds little of value to the discussion. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 so who was it that decided that " but " did or did not add value to the discussion? - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Thursday, March 09, 2006 4:42 PM Re: it's a seinfeld board... aboard about Silver Nisargadatta , " Fred " <thejman wrote: > > ego deals in butts... Divinity has no need to do so. > Cute.........(but) adds little of value to the discussion. toombaru ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver- > 1069@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Fred " <thejman@> wrote: > > > > > > > > O;-) > > > > - > > > > s_i_l_v_e_r1069 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Thursday, March 09, 2006 4:39 AM > > > > Re: it's a seinfeld board... aboard > > about Silver > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing really changes once the Truth is known. Life goes > on > > as it > > > > used to. I still have to go to work every day. I still > have > > to eat > > > > and sleep. I still have to do my dishes and wash my > floors. > > I > > > > still have to pay my bills on time. The only difference is > > that I > > > > have a deep and quiet understanding of what's what and I can > > play > > > > the game of Life with absolutely no worries whatsoever. > It's > > > > wonderful. I didn't mean to imply that Truth is unknowable > > and that > > > > it doesn't matter. I meant something else. More like what > I > > just > > > > wrote above. Before Truth, Life. After Truth, Life. Life > > always > > > > goes on. Sorry about that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And yes, you are a great guy. > > > > > > > > " Silver " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed. > > > > > > But...........there is a sharp drop off.....at the edge of the > > dream. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > ************* > > > > You bet! Hey, Phil! I believe we have another new guest! Put > some > > tea on for Toomb. No mead for him just yet. Life made him stop > > taking all intoxicants. I don't blame him. I myself just > recently > > quit smoking. I finally saw the stupidity in it. Hehe. Now I > > don't read or smoke. Two addictions gone in less than two weeks. > > Very strange. I'm not sure what's happening to me. > > ************* > > I wonder if the next addiction for me to kick will be this list? > > " Silver " > > > When the list is through with you.........you will be gone. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Fred " <thejman wrote: > > so who was it that decided that " but " did or did not add value to the discussion? > All-That-is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 so, you as the all that is decided that another persons exploration added or did not add value to this discussion? - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Thursday, March 09, 2006 5:24 PM Re: it's a seinfeld board... aboard about Silver Nisargadatta , " Fred " <thejman wrote: > > so who was it that decided that " but " did or did not add value to the discussion? > All-That-is ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Fred " <thejman wrote: > > so, you as the all that is decided that another persons exploration added or did not add value to this discussion? Yup......ain't that a kick in the ass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 not really when one knows that it's their own ass that's getting bruised - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Thursday, March 09, 2006 5:50 PM Re: it's a seinfeld board... aboard about Silver Nisargadatta , " Fred " <thejman wrote: > > so, you as the all that is decided that another persons exploration added or did not add value to this discussion? Yup......ain't that a kick in the ass? ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 In a message dated 3/9/2006 12:32:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 18:38:36 -0000 " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069 Re: it's a seinfeld board... aboard about Silver Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Fred " <thejman@> wrote: > > > > O;-) > > - > > s_i_l_v_e_r1069 > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, March 09, 2006 4:39 AM > > Re: it's a seinfeld board... aboard about Silver > > > > > > Nothing really changes once the Truth is known. Life goes on as it > > used to. I still have to go to work every day. I still have to eat > > and sleep. I still have to do my dishes and wash my floors. I > > still have to pay my bills on time. The only difference is that I > > have a deep and quiet understanding of what's what and I can play > > the game of Life with absolutely no worries whatsoever. It's > > wonderful. I didn't mean to imply that Truth is unknowable and that > > it doesn't matter. I meant something else. More like what I just > > wrote above. Before Truth, Life. After Truth, Life. Life always > > goes on. Sorry about that. > > > > > > > > And yes, you are a great guy. > > > > " Silver " > > > > > > Indeed. > > But...........there is a sharp drop off.....at the edge of the dream. > > > toombaru ************* You bet! Hey, Phil! I believe we have another new guest! Put some tea on for Toomb. No mead for him just yet. Life made him stop taking all intoxicants. I don't blame him. I myself just recently quit smoking. I finally saw the stupidity in it. Hehe. Now I don't read or smoke. Two addictions gone in less than two weeks. Very strange. I'm not sure what's happening to me. Nice goin, Silver. So, you really kicked the smoking thang? Fer real? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 In a message dated 3/9/2006 12:32:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 18:47:19 -0000 " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069 Re: it's a seinfeld board... aboard about Silver Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver- 1069 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Fred " <thejman@> wrote: > > > > > > O;-) > > > - > > > s_i_l_v_e_r1069 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Thursday, March 09, 2006 4:39 AM > > > Re: it's a seinfeld board... aboard > about Silver > > > > > > > > > Nothing really changes once the Truth is known. Life goes on > as it > > > used to. I still have to go to work every day. I still have > to eat > > > and sleep. I still have to do my dishes and wash my floors. > I > > > still have to pay my bills on time. The only difference is > that I > > > have a deep and quiet understanding of what's what and I can > play > > > the game of Life with absolutely no worries whatsoever. It's > > > wonderful. I didn't mean to imply that Truth is unknowable > and that > > > it doesn't matter. I meant something else. More like what I > just > > > wrote above. Before Truth, Life. After Truth, Life. Life > always > > > goes on. Sorry about that. > > > > > > > > > > > > And yes, you are a great guy. > > > > > > " Silver " > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed. > > > > But...........there is a sharp drop off.....at the edge of the > dream. > > > > > > toombaru > > ************* > > You bet! Hey, Phil! I believe we have another new guest! Put some > tea on for Toomb. No mead for him just yet. Life made him stop > taking all intoxicants. I don't blame him. I myself just recently > quit smoking. I finally saw the stupidity in it. Hehe. Now I > don't read or smoke. Two addictions gone in less than two weeks. > Very strange. I'm not sure what's happening to me. ************* I wonder if the next addiction for me to kick will be this list? " Silver " Been wondering the same thing myself, today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 > ************* > > You bet! Hey, Phil! I believe we have another new guest! Put some > tea on for Toomb. No mead for him just yet. Life made him stop > taking all intoxicants. I don't blame him. I myself just recently > quit smoking. I finally saw the stupidity in it. Hehe. Now I > don't read or smoke. Two addictions gone in less than two weeks. > Very strange. I'm not sure what's happening to me. > When he was asked why he smoked those cheap little cigarettes.....Nisargadatta said with a shrug: 'The body likes it.' Jean Dunn died from lung cancer..... So many of his followers....and even his guru..... smoked....that his they became known as the cigarette lineage. (It's great that you stopped........Congradulations...:....a bow....:-) toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 In a message dated 3/10/2006 6:13:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 08:52:23 -0000 " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069 Re: it's a seinfeld board... aboard about Silver Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/9/2006 12:32:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Thu, 09 Mar 2006 18:38:36 -0000 > " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069 > Re: it's a seinfeld board... aboard about Silver > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Fred " <thejman@> wrote: > > > > > > O;-) > > > - > > > s_i_l_v_e_r1069 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Thursday, March 09, 2006 4:39 AM > > > Re: it's a seinfeld board... aboard > about Silver > > > > > > > > > Nothing really changes once the Truth is known. Life goes on > as it > > > used to. I still have to go to work every day. I still have > to eat > > > and sleep. I still have to do my dishes and wash my floors. > I > > > still have to pay my bills on time. The only difference is > that I > > > have a deep and quiet understanding of what's what and I can > play > > > the game of Life with absolutely no worries whatsoever. It's > > > wonderful. I didn't mean to imply that Truth is unknowable > and that > > > it doesn't matter. I meant something else. More like what I > just > > > wrote above. Before Truth, Life. After Truth, Life. Life > always > > > goes on. Sorry about that. > > > > > > > > > > > > And yes, you are a great guy. > > > > > > " Silver " > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed. > > > > But...........there is a sharp drop off.....at the edge of the > dream. > > > > > > toombaru > > ************* > > You bet! Hey, Phil! I believe we have another new guest! Put some > tea on for Toomb. No mead for him just yet. Life made him stop > taking all intoxicants. I don't blame him. I myself just recently > quit smoking. I finally saw the stupidity in it. Hehe. Now I > don't read or smoke. Two addictions gone in less than two weeks. > Very strange. I'm not sure what's happening to me. > > > > > > Nice goin, Silver. So, you really kicked the smoking thang? Fer real? ********** Yup. I'm handling the withdrawal symptoms pretty good. I keep telling myself, " I am not this craving. I am not the body's pain. This body is healing itself. " Plus, the extra money I'm saving is great, too! I wanted to quit smoking because I need to increase my lung capacity for playing didgederoo and for singing and for playing the Jaw Harp. Plus maybe I'll be able to bang on my drums even longer with all the increased energy I'll have now. And I love dancing with my girlfriend!!! I don't know how but at least I'm up trying. Plus I want to gain some wheight, too. God, I love Life!!!! And I want to set a good example for my three little monsters. I mean children. " Silver " Excellent! I dunno if you're gonna buy this idea, but I spent a little time looking at withdrawal one time, and I found that whatever physical processes occur are activated by the mind's resistance to letting go of the substance. IOW, the mind is saying, 'I wanna keep smoking and if I make this miserable enough in the physical body, I'm gonna get what I want and it won't be 'my' fault cause it's a purely physical thing.' There is no given physical withdrawal that isn't triggered by the mind, and so resolving the split in the mind resolves the withdrawal symptoms. Some folks don't experience any withdrawal because they're absolutely clear in their mind that they're done, and there is no split or victim mentality. (Don't mean to minimize the dilemma. Been there, done that.) Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 In a message dated 3/10/2006 6:13:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 08:59:33 -0000 " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069 Re: it's a seinfeld board... aboard about Silver Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/9/2006 12:32:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Thu, 09 Mar 2006 18:47:19 -0000 > " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069 > Re: it's a seinfeld board... aboard about Silver > > Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver- > 1069@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Fred " <thejman@> wrote: > > > > > > > > O;-) > > > > - > > > > s_i_l_v_e_r1069 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Thursday, March 09, 2006 4:39 AM > > > > Re: it's a seinfeld board... aboard > > about Silver > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing really changes once the Truth is known. Life goes > on > > as it > > > > used to. I still have to go to work every day. I still > have > > to eat > > > > and sleep. I still have to do my dishes and wash my > floors. > > I > > > > still have to pay my bills on time. The only difference is > > that I > > > > have a deep and quiet understanding of what's what and I can > > play > > > > the game of Life with absolutely no worries whatsoever. > It's > > > > wonderful. I didn't mean to imply that Truth is unknowable > > and that > > > > it doesn't matter. I meant something else. More like what > I > > just > > > > wrote above. Before Truth, Life. After Truth, Life. Life > > always > > > > goes on. Sorry about that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And yes, you are a great guy. > > > > > > > > " Silver " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed. > > > > > > But...........there is a sharp drop off.....at the edge of the > > dream. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > ************* > > > > You bet! Hey, Phil! I believe we have another new guest! Put > some > > tea on for Toomb. No mead for him just yet. Life made him stop > > taking all intoxicants. I don't blame him. I myself just > recently > > quit smoking. I finally saw the stupidity in it. Hehe. Now I > > don't read or smoke. Two addictions gone in less than two weeks. > > Very strange. I'm not sure what's happening to me. > > ************* > > I wonder if the next addiction for me to kick will be this list? > > " Silver " > > > > > Been wondering the same thing myself, today. ************ Yeah, you've been pretty obsessed with it, eh. Hehe. I get like that, too, sometimes. It's a compulsive thing. What do we get out of this list? What's our payoff? " Silver " Whelp, see, for me, it's always a part of my exploration. (The philosophy of nonduality generally denies that process, but I don't) It's entirely an internal process of exploring my own self imposed boundaries, both in terms of my limited awareness and in terms of whatever self deceptions I might find lurking. For example, a while back it became clear to me that I value and honor peace above trying to help anyone see a greater truth about themselves. Even if I'm being asked for help, if there's ego resistance, I'm not interested. Well, as you can see, I betrayed myself the last week or so. It's a bitter pill to swallow but I've changed my tune and apologized and clarified the truth of the matter for myself and onward we go and we'll see what shows up next. That's how it works for me and it doesn't end till the fat lady sings. I'm aware that everything that occurs in my experience is my own creation that comes out of my focus, and I've used these forums for quite a while to do some intense exploring. Yes, Truth is an obsession for me and I'm not sure I could handle the withdrawal symptoms. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 That's very kind of you, Arvind, but I'm not really interested, thank you. Possibly, I would only be exchanging one addictive " drug " for another. I don't see any sense in that. " Silver " Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming@> > wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > I wonder if the next addiction for me to kick will be this list? > > > > > > " Silver " > > > > > > Consider joining GuruRating, Silver. > > > > <GuruRating/> > > The correct URL is: > > <GuruRatings/> > > I missed 's' at the end. > > > > > > That is Very Likely to get rid of your > > " addiction " of this list! > > > > > > Regards, > > ac. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/9/2006 6:00:57 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Thu, 09 Mar 2006 09:39:02 -0000 > " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069 > Re: it's a seinfeld board... aboard about Silver > > Nothing really changes once the Truth is known. Life goes on as it > used to. I still have to go to work every day. I still have to eat > and sleep. I still have to do my dishes and wash my floors. I > still have to pay my bills on time. The only difference is that I > have a deep and quiet understanding of what's what and I can play > the game of Life with absolutely no worries whatsoever. It's > wonderful. I didn't mean to imply that Truth is unknowable and that > it doesn't matter. I meant something else. More like what I just > wrote above. Before Truth, Life. After Truth, Life. Life always > goes on. Sorry about that. > > > > > > Oh, okay. Well......never mind, then. Pass me the mugwort, will ya? > > > > And yes, you are a great guy. > > > > Strange......that urge to nudge you off the edge just left me. Hmmmm...... ************ Whew! Cheers! " Silver " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/9/2006 12:32:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Thu, 09 Mar 2006 18:38:36 -0000 > " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069 > Re: it's a seinfeld board... aboard about Silver > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Fred " <thejman@> wrote: > > > > > > O;-) > > > - > > > s_i_l_v_e_r1069 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Thursday, March 09, 2006 4:39 AM > > > Re: it's a seinfeld board... aboard > about Silver > > > > > > > > > Nothing really changes once the Truth is known. Life goes on > as it > > > used to. I still have to go to work every day. I still have > to eat > > > and sleep. I still have to do my dishes and wash my floors. > I > > > still have to pay my bills on time. The only difference is > that I > > > have a deep and quiet understanding of what's what and I can > play > > > the game of Life with absolutely no worries whatsoever. It's > > > wonderful. I didn't mean to imply that Truth is unknowable > and that > > > it doesn't matter. I meant something else. More like what I > just > > > wrote above. Before Truth, Life. After Truth, Life. Life > always > > > goes on. Sorry about that. > > > > > > > > > > > > And yes, you are a great guy. > > > > > > " Silver " > > > > > > > > > > > Indeed. > > > > But...........there is a sharp drop off.....at the edge of the > dream. > > > > > > toombaru > > ************* > > You bet! Hey, Phil! I believe we have another new guest! Put some > tea on for Toomb. No mead for him just yet. Life made him stop > taking all intoxicants. I don't blame him. I myself just recently > quit smoking. I finally saw the stupidity in it. Hehe. Now I > don't read or smoke. Two addictions gone in less than two weeks. > Very strange. I'm not sure what's happening to me. > > > > > > Nice goin, Silver. So, you really kicked the smoking thang? Fer real? ********** Yup. I'm handling the withdrawal symptoms pretty good. I keep telling myself, " I am not this craving. I am not the body's pain. This body is healing itself. " Plus, the extra money I'm saving is great, too! I wanted to quit smoking because I need to increase my lung capacity for playing didgederoo and for singing and for playing the Jaw Harp. Plus maybe I'll be able to bang on my drums even longer with all the increased energy I'll have now. And I love dancing with my girlfriend!!! I don't know how but at least I'm up trying. Plus I want to gain some wheight, too. God, I love Life!!!! And I want to set a good example for my three little monsters. I mean children. " Silver " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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