Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 On Mar 8, 2006, at 9:12 PM, Maria Luisa Cano wrote: > Hello everyone, > this is the first time I post here, though I have been reading for a > while. > It was this " There is no statement that can be asserted as > fundamentally true in nondualism " from Bill, > that made me reflect in what I use to say: > " I exist from ever and for ever. If I do not exist, anything could > ever exist " > No way in trying to asert 'who' this 'I' is. The only reason that I > say this, is because these are the words that first came to my mind > after a " profound shift " happened, so they revealed themselves as a > good way of pointing to the truth. > > Metaphorically speaking I could say that I would dare to go to the > flames, and for me this would still be a statement that expresses the > truth radically. > > Wouldn´t this be a kind of axiom? I know nothing about 'advanced' > mathematics. > > Maria Luisa Hola, ML, y bienvenida, Always good to read your input. Your question as, usual, is 'fundamental'. And my answer is, yes, for 'you' it is. An axiom is a basic assumption. Basic in the sense that a whole edifice of knowledge rest on it. It is also self evident, an can not be proven. It is taken on faith. So, in this sense, the " I " is an axiom for you, but not for me, or Bill. To me, unqualified, not limited existence is what is self-evident; and therefore, an axiom. To 'me' the " I " is a learned limitation, a way brains are conditioned to see the world. When this brain called Pete was born it didn't divide " what is " between 'I' and the rest. For social reasons, for the protection of the organism, so it could function as a human being, my family trained that brain to see that way, to feel that way. It is, generally, by age two that a baby gets this concept of selfhood and can recognize his mirror image as himself, and not as another baby. Chimps also get to recognize themselves in a mirror at a certain age. All other animals keep treating the image as a stranger. It took me many years to see this, and now, normally, there is no sense of I, unless, things go wrong and the brain conjures that way of seeing, feeling, and behaving as a defense mechanism. When this return is noticed, it is seen for what it is, and it fades again. So, yes, for you it is an axiom, until it stops to be self- evident. Pete > > > > > El 08/03/2006, a las 17:52, NonDualPhil escribió: > >> In my view nondualism doesn't really have any tenets >> (axioms). There is no statement that can be asserted >> as fundamentally true in nondualism (and I remind, >> this is nondualism as I interpret the term). Which >> is the entire point of neti-neti, as I see it. >> So-called " self-realization " is not a result of getting >> the right " truths " , but a result of enough non-truths >> being cleared away that " something happens " ... somehow >> there is a profound shift. And even after such a shift >> there is no explanation for what transition has occurred. >> >> So seeing that *any* assumption of the mind, even if it >> is in science or mathematics, is really *presumption* >> ... that to me clears the air a bit. >> >> >> Bill > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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