Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 In a message dated 3/10/2006 12:44:40 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 05:13:21 -0000 " billrishel " <illusyn Quiet Mind, Simple Mind When we are aware of ourselves, is not the whole movement of living a way of uncovering the " me, " the ego, the self? The self is a very complex process which can be uncovered only in relationship, in our daily activities, in the way we talk, the way we judge, calculate, the way we condemn others and ourselves. All that reveals the conditioned state of our own thinking, and is it not important to be aware of this whole process? It is only through awareness of what is true from moment to moment that there is discovery of the timeless, the eternal. Without self- knowledge, the eternal cannot be. When we do not know ourselves, the eternal becomes a mere word, a symbol, a speculation, a dogma, a belief, an illusion to which the mind can escape. But if one begins to understand the " me " in all its various activities from day to day, then in that very understanding, without any effort, the nameless, the timeless comes into being. But the timeless is not a reward for self-knowledge. That which is eternal cannot be sought after; the mind cannot acquire it. It comes into being when the mind is quiet, and the mind can be quiet only when it is simple, when it is no longer storing up, condemning, judging, weighing. It is only the simple mind that can understand the real, not the mind that is full of words, knowledge, information. The mind that analyzes, calculates, is not a simple mind. J. Krishnamurti, *The Book of Life* Yes, I say this, though not so clearly, to lots of folks, but I rarely get agreement. Looking for God or shutting down the mind are the popular options. Looking at ego is the single most unpopular activity for those on a spiritual path, but if the nonsense isn't exposed, the rest of the path is full of endless traps. Everything will be put to the service of ego in the most creative and devious ways imaginable. One of those traps, BTW, might be the mantra that ego doesn't exist. (Not suggesting that anyone saying that is in a trap. It depends on whether the work has been done.) Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 When we are aware of ourselves, is not the whole movement of living a way of uncovering the " me, " the ego, the self? The self is a very complex process which can be uncovered only in relationship, in our daily activities, in the way we talk, the way we judge, calculate, the way we condemn others and ourselves. All that reveals the conditioned state of our own thinking, and is it not important to be aware of this whole process? It is only through awareness of what is true from moment to moment that there is discovery of the timeless, the eternal. Without self- knowledge, the eternal cannot be. When we do not know ourselves, the eternal becomes a mere word, a symbol, a speculation, a dogma, a belief, an illusion to which the mind can escape. But if one begins to understand the " me " in all its various activities from day to day, then in that very understanding, without any effort, the nameless, the timeless comes into being. But the timeless is not a reward for self-knowledge. That which is eternal cannot be sought after; the mind cannot acquire it. It comes into being when the mind is quiet, and the mind can be quiet only when it is simple, when it is no longer storing up, condemning, judging, weighing. It is only the simple mind that can understand the real, not the mind that is full of words, knowledge, information. The mind that analyzes, calculates, is not a simple mind. J. Krishnamurti, *The Book of Life* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > > When we are aware of ourselves, is not the whole movement of > living a way of uncovering the " me, " the ego, the self? The self > is a very complex process which can be uncovered only in > relationship, in our daily activities, in the way we talk, the > way we judge, calculate, the way we condemn others and ourselves. > All that reveals the conditioned state of our own thinking, and > is it not important to be aware of this whole process? It is only > through awareness of what is true from moment to moment that > there is discovery of the timeless, the eternal. Without self- > knowledge, the eternal cannot be. When we do not know ourselves, > the eternal becomes a mere word, a symbol, a speculation, a > dogma, a belief, an illusion to which the mind can escape. But if > one begins to understand the " me " in all its various activities > from day to day, then in that very understanding, without any > effort, the nameless, the timeless comes into being. But the > timeless is not a reward for self-knowledge. That which is > eternal cannot be sought after; the mind cannot acquire it. It > comes into being when the mind is quiet, and the mind can be > quiet only when it is simple, when it is no longer storing up, > condemning, judging, weighing. It is only the simple mind that > can understand the real, not the mind that is full of words, > knowledge, information. The mind that analyzes, calculates, is > not a simple mind. > > J. Krishnamurti, *The Book of Life* > yes....nice words....thank you the mind-slaves can all go Home .... now... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/10/2006 12:44:40 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Fri, 10 Mar 2006 05:13:21 -0000 > " billrishel " <illusyn > Quiet Mind, Simple Mind > > > When we are aware of ourselves, is not the whole movement of > living a way of uncovering the " me, " the ego, the self? The self > is a very complex process which can be uncovered only in > relationship, in our daily activities, in the way we talk, the > way we judge, calculate, the way we condemn others and ourselves. > All that reveals the conditioned state of our own thinking, and > is it not important to be aware of this whole process? It is only > through awareness of what is true from moment to moment that > there is discovery of the timeless, the eternal. Without self- > knowledge, the eternal cannot be. When we do not know ourselves, > the eternal becomes a mere word, a symbol, a speculation, a > dogma, a belief, an illusion to which the mind can escape. But if > one begins to understand the " me " in all its various activities > from day to day, then in that very understanding, without any > effort, the nameless, the timeless comes into being. But the > timeless is not a reward for self-knowledge. That which is > eternal cannot be sought after; the mind cannot acquire it. It > comes into being when the mind is quiet, and the mind can be > quiet only when it is simple, when it is no longer storing up, > condemning, judging, weighing. It is only the simple mind that > can understand the real, not the mind that is full of words, > knowledge, information. The mind that analyzes, calculates, is > not a simple mind. > > J. Krishnamurti, *The Book of Life* > > > > Yes, I say this, though not so clearly, to lots of folks, but I rarely get > agreement. Looking for God or shutting down the mind are the popular options. > Looking at ego is the single most unpopular activity for those on a spiritual > path, but if the nonsense isn't exposed, the rest of the path is full of > endless traps. Everything will be put to the service of ego in the most creative > and devious ways imaginable. One of those traps, BTW, might be the mantra > that ego doesn't exist. (Not suggesting that anyone saying that is in a trap. It > depends on whether the work has been done.) > > > Phil > > > > don't worry Phil.... the " ones " who's Mantra is " there is no ego " ..... have the principal roles....in the life-drama-dream-play.... titled " who the hell I am? " Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/10/2006 12:44:40 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Fri, 10 Mar 2006 05:13:21 -0000 > " billrishel " <illusyn > Quiet Mind, Simple Mind > > > When we are aware of ourselves, is not the whole movement of > living a way of uncovering the " me, " the ego, the self? The self > is a very complex process which can be uncovered only in > relationship, in our daily activities, in the way we talk, the > way we judge, calculate, the way we condemn others and ourselves. > All that reveals the conditioned state of our own thinking, and > is it not important to be aware of this whole process? It is only > through awareness of what is true from moment to moment that > there is discovery of the timeless, the eternal. Without self- > knowledge, the eternal cannot be. When we do not know ourselves, > the eternal becomes a mere word, a symbol, a speculation, a > dogma, a belief, an illusion to which the mind can escape. But if > one begins to understand the " me " in all its various activities > from day to day, then in that very understanding, without any > effort, the nameless, the timeless comes into being. But the > timeless is not a reward for self-knowledge. That which is > eternal cannot be sought after; the mind cannot acquire it. It > comes into being when the mind is quiet, and the mind can be > quiet only when it is simple, when it is no longer storing up, > condemning, judging, weighing. It is only the simple mind that > can understand the real, not the mind that is full of words, > knowledge, information. The mind that analyzes, calculates, is > not a simple mind. > > J. Krishnamurti, *The Book of Life* > > > > Yes, I say this, though not so clearly, to lots of folks, but I rarely get > agreement. Looking for God or shutting down the mind are the popular options. > Looking at ego is the single most unpopular activity for those on a spiritual > path, but if the nonsense isn't exposed, the rest of the path is full of > endless traps. Everything will be put to the service of ego in the most creative > and devious ways imaginable. One of those traps, BTW, might be the mantra > that ego doesn't exist. (Not suggesting that anyone saying that is in a trap. It > depends on whether the work has been done.) > > > Phil True. len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 --- lissbon2002 <lissbon2002 a écrit : Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/10/2006 12:44:40 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Fri, 10 Mar 2006 05:13:21 -0000 > " billrishel " <illusyn > Quiet Mind, Simple Mind > > > When we are aware of ourselves, is not the whole movement of > living a way of uncovering the " me, " the ego, the self? The self > is a very complex process which can be uncovered only in > relationship, in our daily activities, in the way we talk, the > way we judge, calculate, the way we condemn others and ourselves. > All that reveals the conditioned state of our own thinking, and > is it not important to be aware of this whole process? It is only > through awareness of what is true from moment to moment that > there is discovery of the timeless, the eternal. Without self- > knowledge, the eternal cannot be. When we do not know ourselves, > the eternal becomes a mere word, a symbol, a speculation, a > dogma, a belief, an illusion to which the mind can escape. But if > one begins to understand the " me " in all its various activities > from day to day, then in that very understanding, without any > effort, the nameless, the timeless comes into being. But the > timeless is not a reward for self-knowledge. That which is > eternal cannot be sought after; the mind cannot acquire it. It > comes into being when the mind is quiet, and the mind can be > quiet only when it is simple, when it is no longer storing up, > condemning, judging, weighing. It is only the simple mind that > can understand the real, not the mind that is full of words, > knowledge, information. The mind that analyzes, calculates, is > not a simple mind. > > J. Krishnamurti, *The Book of Life* > > > > Yes, I say this, though not so clearly, to lots of folks, but I rarely get > agreement. Looking for God or shutting down the mind are the popular options. > Looking at ego is the single most unpopular activity for those on a spiritual > path, but if the nonsense isn't exposed, the rest of the path is full of > endless traps. Everything will be put to the service of ego in the most creative > and devious ways imaginable. One of those traps, BTW, might be the mantra > that ego doesn't exist. (Not suggesting that anyone saying that is in a trap. It > depends on whether the work has been done.) > > > Phil True. len Hey, way to go! Patricia ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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