Silly ego game #3 (((IPercpetion Without Thinking

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Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote:

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>

> In a message dated 3/9/2006 5:37:01 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> Nisargadatta writes:

>

> Fri, 10 Mar 2006 00:10:02 -0000

> " billrishel " <illusyn

> Silly ego game #3 (((Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking

>

> Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 3/8/2006 8:10:10 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> > Nisargadatta writes:

> >

> > Thu, 09 Mar 2006 04:04:58 -0000

> > " billrishel " <illusyn@>

> > Silly ego game #3 (((Re: IPercpetion Without

Thinking

> >

> > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 3/8/2006 7:43:33 AM Pacific Standard

Time,

> > > Nisargadatta writes:

> > >

> > > Wed, 08 Mar 2006 13:36:41 -0000

> > > " billrishel " <illusyn@>

> > > Silly ego game #3 (((Re: IPercpetion Without

Thinking

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 5:32:52 PM Pacific Standard

Time,

> > > > Nisargadatta writes:

> > > >

> > > > Tue, 07 Mar 2006 23:31:48 -0000

> > > > " billrishel " <illusyn@>

> > > > Silly ego game #3 (((Re: IPercpetion Without

> Thinking

> > > >

> > > > Silly ego game #3 is where we learn to consistently bring

> ourselves

> > > to a

> > > > state of peace in meditation, and then believe that we've

> > accomplished

> > > > something

> > > > almost no human has ever been able to do before. Hehe.

Since this

> > > has no

> > > > relationship to noticing the truth of our ego dynamics,

those

> > dynamics

> > > > continue

> > > > all during our non-meditating time. In order to pretend

that this

> > > > isn't so, we

> > > > elevate ourselves above others and project our thinkingness

and

> > > struggle

> > > > onto them, all the while hiding behind the obscurity of

our own

> > words

> > > > so that

> > > > nobody can be clear enough about what we're saying to

really be

> > > able to

> > > > challenge us.

> > > >

> > > > ~~~~~

> > > > B:

> > > > A couple of questions, Phil:

> > > > Do you consider the " ego " to actually exist, or to only

> > > > " appear " to exist?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > P: Thoughts. Do you imply that it can therefore be

ignored?

> > >

> > > B:

> > >

> > > What needs to be *attended to* if everything happens

> > > of its own nature? When immersed in the Now there is

> > > no " problem " .

> > >

> > > A sign of " immersed in the Now " is *sparkle*/life.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > P: When " immersed in the Now " , is this the same as knowing who

> you ARE?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > P: But " noticing " as something that is a " self-observation "

> > > is not in the Now (my view) as it requires time to occur.

> > >

> >

> > P: It doesn't require time to notice. Noticing occurs

> > in the timeless moment of now, because it doesn't require

> > thought. It occurs as a flash of awareness. What requires

> > time is the getting the hell out of the way so that this can

> > occur.

> >

> > Phil

> >

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>

> >

> > Noticing isn't noticing without a *recognition*

> > of what is noticed. That's more than one step

> > right there, therefore time.

> >

> > Bill

> >

> >

> >

> > Stop that, Bill! Hehe.

> > Lets see, there's the noticing, then there's the recognition of

the

> > noticing, then there's the acknowledgment of the recognition of

the

> noticing, then

> > there's the knowing of the acknowledging of the recognition of

the

> noticing.

> > ~

> > This is just more mental dissection and analysis. There is the

> noticing of

> > the truth. Whatever sort of menturbation you want to do with it

> after that is

> > your affair.

> >

> > Phil

> >

>

> So you are not talking about noticing *something*?

> You are talking about noticing without an object?

>

> If so that is a very unusual use of the term noticing.

>

> Bill

>

>

>

> Yes, I mean a realization beyond mind/memory that arrives as a

knowing. This

> is the only way realizations actually occur. Everything else is

pure

> mentation. I use the term " noticing " because it is not a perception

or thought or

> something that is 'done'.

> Sorry for the confusion. I thought we were talking about the same

thing.

>

> Phil

 

Seems that " to notice " is a misleading choice of words,

as -- at least for me -- that automatically implies

*something* that is being noticed. In other words noticing

implies a focus " on " something.

 

Even so, I am still unclear what you mean when you say:

" Yes, I mean a realization beyond mind/memory that arrives as a

knowing. "

 

If the mind is silent -- i.e. there are no thoughts --

and one is walking through a forest, hearing, seeing, smelling,

but without any focus on any one thing... everything moving

through rapid, subtle change... the sea of awareness in flux...

 

....how does that compare with what you describe as, " a realization

beyond mind/memory that arrives as a knowing " ?

 

For in the description I give there, nothing is " arriving " .

 

It is as if awareness is everywhere and nowhere, all at once.

 

 

Bill