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Bill & Arvind are two of my favorite posters.

There are others, posters who stimulate

thinking, who challenge beliefs, who point

to less, rather than more. They are effective

members of the collective cyber-guro.

 

That doesn't mean I agree with everything

they say, or how they say it. Sometimes, I

feel tempted to correct one of their posts,

but don't, unless I think it's something

fundamental. Generally, it's not what they

say, but how they say it, that I object to.

So, if I think Bill is too romantic for my taste,

or, Arvind posts on binges , and

then doesn't post for days on end. I let it

be, if I can help it, sometimes, I get on their

case a bit. Still, they are my favorites, as

Werner, and Stefan are. And I think, that

they should give each other space because

nothing good can come by pointing fingers

at each other. None of us have anything to

teach each other. The best we can do, is

give each other friendly reminders of how

we'd prefer, they to post. ;)

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In a message dated 3/11/2006 3:19:51 PM Pacific Standard Time,

lastrain writes:

 

> :In Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5@> wrote:

> >>>

> >>>P: Bill & Arvind are two of my favorite posters.

> >>>There are others, posters who stimulate

> >>>thinking, who challenge beliefs, who point

> >>>to less, rather than more. They are effective

> >>>members of the collective cyber-guro.

>

> >>JM: yes, I'm right there with you on that one. Well, not that their my

> >>fave posters but the part about them being effective members yadda

> >>yadda yadda.

> >>

> P:That doesn't mean I agree with everything

> >>>they say, or how they say it. Sometimes, I

> >>>feel tempted to correct one of their posts,

> >>>but don't, unless I think it's something

> >>>fundamental. Generally, it's not what they

> >>>say, but how they say it, that I object to.

> >>

> JM: ppppffft. What? I don't care what you say to try to make

> >>yourself believe this b/c deep inside I'm guessing you know you're a

> control

> >>freak irregardless of how desparately you'd like to convince

> >>yourself that your not.

>

 

P: To control means to check, to test, to verify, to influence

>

> >the direction of change. Yes, that I want to do whenever

> >possible.

>

L.E: Just remember folks that if everyone knew everything about everything

they would have nothing to say to each other. And that ignorance and wisdom work

in tandem with each other. And that if there was no one who was lost there

would be no need to give directions.

 

" Generally, it's not what they say, but how they say it, that I object to. "

Too bad everyone is not another you, then you'd have no objections. Dream

on.

 

Larry Epston

 

 

 

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On Mar 11, 2006, at 1:34 PM, jai_mahamaya wrote:

 

> Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5 wrote:

>>

>> P: Bill & Arvind are two of my favorite posters.

>> There are others, posters who stimulate

>> thinking, who challenge beliefs, who point

>> to less, rather than more. They are effective

>> members of the collective cyber-guro.

>>

>

>

>

> JM: yes, I'm right there with you on that one. Well, not that their my

> fave posters but the part about them being effective members yadda

> yadda yadda.

>

>

>

>> P:That doesn't mean I agree with everything

>> they say, or how they say it. Sometimes, I

>> feel tempted to correct one of their posts,

>> but don't, unless I think it's something

>> fundamental. Generally, it's not what they

>> say, but how they say it, that I object to.

>

>

> JM: ppppffft. What? I don't care what you say to try to make

> yourself

> believe this b/c deep inside I'm guessing you know you're a control

> freak irregardless of how desparately you'd like to convince

> yourself that your not.

 

P: To control means to check, to test, to verify, to influence

the direction of change. Yes, that I want to do whenever

possible. Isn't it the intend of your post to do just that? If by

control you mean to rule or have command over others,

I have no such intention, or desire. All who want to help

need to exert certain amount of control over the circumstances

they are trying to change, otherwise, they are powerless to help.

>

> JM: What about Al? So does that mean you've changed your holiday plans

> and called off that tag team wrestling match where you were going to

> join forces with Werner and head to Europe and kick Al's butt?

>

> Just curious. I was looking forward to some exhilarating video on

> it or at the very least a fragrant board discussion. Perhaps a

> little laughter at Al's bloody nose or something like that.

>

 

P: Lighten up guy, that was a joke

 

>

> JM: I'm not buying into this one, until the next time you post your

> views on how someone is posting toooooo many times a day or someone

> doesn't delete all the added commentary or how someone talks too

> much about poems or ................

 

P: Thanks for your efforts to control my behavior,

I think it's mighty fine of you. You're not a freak,

just well meaning,IMO. ;)

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5 wrote:

>

>

> On Mar 11, 2006, at 1:34 PM, jai_mahamaya wrote:

>

> > Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5@> wrote:

> >>

> >> P: Bill & Arvind are two of my favorite posters.

> >> There are others, posters who stimulate

> >> thinking, who challenge beliefs, who point

> >> to less, rather than more. They are effective

> >> members of the collective cyber-guro.

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> > JM: yes, I'm right there with you on that one. Well, not that their my

> > fave posters but the part about them being effective members yadda

> > yadda yadda.

> >

> >

> >

> >> P:That doesn't mean I agree with everything

> >> they say, or how they say it. Sometimes, I

> >> feel tempted to correct one of their posts,

> >> but don't, unless I think it's something

> >> fundamental. Generally, it's not what they

> >> say, but how they say it, that I object to.

> >

> >

> > JM: ppppffft. What? I don't care what you say to try to make

> > yourself

> > believe this b/c deep inside I'm guessing you know you're a control

> > freak irregardless of how desparately you'd like to convince

> > yourself that your not.

>

> P: To control means to check, to test, to verify, to influence

> the direction of change. Yes, that I want to do whenever

> possible.

 

 

 

 

 

Isn't it the intend of your post to do just that? If by

> control you mean to rule or have command over others,

> I have no such intention, or desire. All who want to help

> need to exert certain amount of control over the circumstances

> they are trying to change, otherwise, they are powerless to help.

 

 

 

 

They are powerless to 'help' period.

 

If they believe that they have the power to help anybody or anything they are

caught up in

delusional egoic grandiosity.

 

 

Pete.........have you ever even read Nisargadatta?

 

 

 

toombaru

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