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If the self is infinite, how can it is contained in a finite human body?

 

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epston wrote:

Ps: there is nothing but formless, changless and infinite Self

 

L.E: I agree, but do you brush your teeth everyday? Do you listen to the rain?

Do you love anyone?

 

Larry Epston

 

 

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In Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000 wrote:

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>If the self is infinite, how can it is contained in a finite human body?

 

 

 

> >

> The same way that space can.

>

> toombaru

>

> L.E: Is the self infinite? And is space " contained?: Can it be?

>

> Larry E.

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 3/11/2006 5:53:07 PM Pacific Standard Time,

lastrain writes:

 

> Nisargadatta , epston wrote:

> >

> >In Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000@> wrote:

> >>

> >>If the self is infinite, how can it is contained in a finite human body?

> >

> >

> >

> >>>

> >>The same way that space can.

> >>

> >>toombaru

> >>

> >>L.E: Is the self infinite? And is space " contained?: Can it be?

> >>

> >>Larry E.

> >

> >

> First.....find out if there is such a 'thing' as 'self'.

> Then find out if there is such thing as infinity.

> And then define 'space'.

>

> Then maybe your finite brain can figure out how they all relate to each

> other........or.........maybe not.

>

>

> toombaru

>

L.E: My finite brain? What about your finite brain? Oh! I see, Dattpr and I

have a finite brain but you don't, but you do hang your hat on something that

has hair growing on it don't you? As for " self. " Dattapr seems to think there

is such a thing as " self, " and he also uses the word " infinite. " If there is

such a condtion as self or infinite,, it probably can''t be described. As

far as " defining space, " that's probably like defining quiet or silence which

could be called the interval between two or more sounds. Perhaps space can be

defined as something that exists between or around two or more objects. I'm

not concerned about it although definitions can be useful at times. But mostly

we just live, and definitions are not very important. If defining is making

distinctions, perhaps the distinctions between up and down, on and off are

useful at times like knowing the ceiling is up and the basement is down relative

to

the orientation of the house, but we have discussed that before, haven't we?

So then, do you want to define " space " or " self " or " life " or is that

irrelevant to your usual state of mind or lack of state of mind.

 

Larry Epston

www.epston.com

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000 wrote:

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> If the self is infinite, how can it is contained in a finite human body?

>

 

 

The same way that space can.

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , epston wrote:

>

> In Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000@> wrote:

> >

> >If the self is infinite, how can it is contained in a finite human body?

>

>

>

> > >

> > The same way that space can.

> >

> > toombaru

> >

> > L.E: Is the self infinite? And is space " contained?: Can it be?

> >

> > Larry E.

>

>

 

 

First.....find out if there is such a 'thing' as 'self'.

 

 

Then find out if there is such thing as infinity.

 

 

And then define 'space'.

 

 

Then maybe your finite brain can figure out how they all relate to each

other........or.........maybe not.

 

 

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Nisargadatta , epston wrote:

>

> In a message dated 3/11/2006 5:53:07 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> lastrain writes:

>

> > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote:

> > >

> > >In Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000@> wrote:

> > >>

> > >>If the self is infinite, how can it is contained in a finite human body?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >>>

> > >>The same way that space can.

> > >>

> > >>toombaru

> > >>

> > >>L.E: Is the self infinite? And is space " contained?: Can it be?

> > >>

> > >>Larry E.

> > >

> > >

> > First.....find out if there is such a 'thing' as 'self'.

> > Then find out if there is such thing as infinity.

> > And then define 'space'.

> >

> > Then maybe your finite brain can figure out how they all relate to each

> > other........or.........maybe not.

> >

> >

> > toombaru

> >

> L.E: My finite brain? What about your finite brain? Oh! I see, Dattpr and I

> have a finite brain but you don't, but you do hang your hat on something that

> has hair growing on it don't you? As for " self. " Dattapr seems to think there

> is such a thing as " self, " and he also uses the word " infinite. " If there is

> such a condtion as self or infinite,, it probably can''t be described. As

> far as " defining space, " that's probably like defining quiet or silence which

> could be called the interval between two or more sounds. Perhaps space can be

> defined as something that exists between or around two or more objects. I'm

> not concerned about it although definitions can be useful at times.

 

 

 

 

You think?

 

 

But mostly

> we just live,

 

 

No!............we are lived.........(big difference).

 

 

 

 

and definitions are not very important. If defining is making

> distinctions, perhaps the distinctions between up and down, on and off are

> useful at times like knowing the ceiling is up and the basement is down

relative to

> the orientation of the house, but we have discussed that before, haven't we?

 

 

Yes.

 

 

 

> So then, do you want to define " space " or " self " or " life " or is that

> irrelevant to your usual state of mind or lack of state of mind.

>

 

 

The fact that they cannot be defined should tell all you need to know.

 

 

 

 

 

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friends

 

discussions have become completely non directional. new new concepts, missing of

clarity, ending without any conclusion, what was starting point and where it is

ending, full of vague. problems complicated with just pressing 'reply' button

while sending mails.

 

any conclusions in a nutshell.

 

at the lotus of shri datta swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

 

toombaru2006 <lastrain wrote: epston wrote:

>> lastrain writes:

>

> > Nisargadatta , epston@ prakki surya <dattapr2000@>

wrote:

> > >>

> > >>If the self is infinite, how can it is contained in a finite human body?

> > >>The same way that space can.

> > >>toombaru

> > >>

> > >>L.E: Is the self infinite? And is space " contained?: Can it be?

> > >>

> > >>Larry E.

> > >

> > First.....find out if there is such a 'thing' as 'self'.> > Then find out

if there is such thing as infinity.> > And then define 'space'.

> >

> > Then maybe your finite brain can figure out how they all relate to each

other..... ...or....... ..maybe not.

> >

> > toombaru

> >

> L.E: My finite brain? What about your finite brain? Oh! I see, Dattpr and I

> have a finite brain but you don't, but you do hang your hat on something that

> has hair growing on it don't you? As for " self. " Dattapr seems to think there

 

 

 

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In a message dated 3/12/2006 7:55:31 AM Pacific Standard Time,

lastrain writes:

 

>

> Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000 wrote:

> >

> >friends

> >

> >discussions have become completely non directional. new new concepts,

> missing of clarity, ending without any conclusion, what was starting point and

> where it is ending, full of vague. problems complicated with just pressing

> 'reply' button while sending mails.

>

> >any conclusions in a nutshell.

>

>

> Nahhh............That's just the normal way the human mind 'sees' things.

> 'Yours is just becoming aware of that.

>

>

> toombaru

>

 

L.E: " my conclusions in a nutshell " NUTSHELL IS ACCURATE! Please, get out

of the nutshell and be just be the nut.

 

Larry

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000 wrote:

>

> friends

>

> discussions have become completely non directional. new new concepts, missing

of

clarity, ending without any conclusion, what was starting point and where it is

ending, full

of vague. problems complicated with just pressing 'reply' button while sending

mails.

>

> any conclusions in a nutshell.

 

 

Nahhh............That's just the normal way the human mind 'sees' things.

 

'Yours' is just becoming aware of that.

 

 

 

 

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dear friends

 

The Lord preached Gita only when Arjuna fell on His feet and craved for the

divine knowledge. The Lord said that trying to give the divine knowledge to the

people who are not interested due to their ignorance, egoism, jealousy and greed

is like throwing a stone on the pond of mud (Krutstnavit Na Vichalayet).

 

But Sankara went to the house of Mandana Misra and begged for a debate. Then

Manadana Misra abused Sankara and refused the debate. But Vyasa and Jaimini who

were present there objected to such attitude. Then only Mandana Misra entered

into a debate and the debate continued for twenty-one days. At the end Mandana

Misra realized the truth and became the disciple of Sankara. Here Mandana Misra

was benefitted and not Sankara. Therefore you must try to uplift all the souls

in this world. Even if the mud falls on you, you must have patience.

 

Sankara did not return back even if Mandana Misra abused Him in a pungent way.

The father tries to correct his son even if his son scolds him. Such kind

attitude is the divine nature. Krishna tried for kauravas and Hanuman tried for

Ravana even if they were insulted. Of course you should leave a rigid person,

which should be your last resort because such person is destined to his fate.

 

The Lord does not interfere in your choice of selecting good or bad. Thus,

there is full freedom. The supervisor (Lord) is not interfering for all the

practical purposes. But this does not mean that the supervisor cannot interfere.

 

The first sentence implies the full freedom and the second sentence implies

full control. The situation reveals the mutual existence of both freedom and

control without contradicting each other. This means that the Lord supervises

and allows the freedom. The freedom is not real but it is the allowed freedom

under constant supervision of the Lord.

 

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toombaru2006 <lastrain wrote:

Nahhh............That's just the normal way the human mind 'sees' things.

'Yours' is just becoming aware of that.

 

toombaru

 

 

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In a message dated 3/12/2006 9:48:53 AM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

Sat, 11 Mar 2006 22:54:33 -0800 (PST)

prakki surya <dattapr2000

Re: Nothing But Infinite Self - - -

 

friends

 

discussions have become completely non directional. new new concepts,

missing of clarity, ending without any conclusion, what was starting point and

where it is ending, full of vague. problems complicated with just pressing

'reply' button while sending mails.

 

any conclusions in a nutshell.

 

at the lotus of shri datta swami

surya

 

 

 

Mayhaps all the " conclusions " , if indeed there are any, are occurring inside

the writers, where they rightly should. Conceptual conclusions, especially

when it demands that another's meaningless concepts be made wrong, are of no

real value to anyone.

 

Phil

 

 

 

 

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If everybody is God, what is the meaning of spiritual effort? God needs

Spiritual Effort to reach God? God created the universe consisting of animate

and inanimate objects. He preaches divine knowledge and does miracles also, if

required. If anybody claims to be Lord or God, he should be able to do all these

things. Greatest devotees never claimed themselves as Lord, they always love to

serve the Lord in human form. Satguru has to be identified by His divine

knowledge and serve that Satguru only not any guru. Satguru only can clear all

doubts of all disciples. Gurus are devotees having some divine knowledge. So

they may sometimes clarify some doubts. Their knowledge is limited only. Only

Satguru (lord in human form) will only have the infinite knowledge and clarifies

all the doubts of all disciples.

 

Like the studies in our materialistic life, one has to pass through

elementary, higher, college and should finally enter university. After studies

in University one will join job to serve the country. Like wise, one should

serve Lord in human form.

 

Self-analysis is the analysis of self with the help of Satguru who can only show

your internal situation. Ex. a doctor can only see the x-ray and diagnose the

ailment and give you medicines. Reaching Self is only an intermediate step in

the spiritual journey towards the final goal of reaching Lord. Reaching self is

not reaching Lord.

 

In spiritual effort three important things are there. 1) knowing about self 2)

Knowing the destination 3) the path to reach the destination. Regarding knowing

about self, it is sufficient if you know that you are not the destination.

Regarding knowing the destination, you should identify the Lord in human form

and He is our destination. the identification is by His true infinite spiritual

knowledge.

 

Path is the most essential part of spiritual journey. The path leading to Lord

is full of sacrifice only, which is only the real indication of our true love

towards Him. That is why Jesus told the path leading to kingdom of Lord is very

narrow filled with thorns. Because practical sacrifice nobody enjoys.

Sacrificing words, mind and intelligence can be done without botheration as Lord

gives them freely.

 

Satguru never claims Himself as Lord. It is devotees who believe Him as Lord

after listening to His special divine knowledge and sometimes may experience

some miracles also. A thorough association with Him for some time while

experiencing the special divine knowledge, they will develop the faith that He

is lord in human form.

 

at the lotus of shri datta swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

 

 

 

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