Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 If the self is infinite, how can it is contained in a finite human body? at the lotus of shri datta swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org epston wrote: Ps: there is nothing but formless, changless and infinite Self L.E: I agree, but do you brush your teeth everyday? Do you listen to the rain? Do you love anyone? Larry Epston Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 In Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000 wrote: > >If the self is infinite, how can it is contained in a finite human body? > > > The same way that space can. > > toombaru > > L.E: Is the self infinite? And is space " contained?: Can it be? > > Larry E. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 In a message dated 3/11/2006 5:53:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, lastrain writes: > Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > > >In Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000@> wrote: > >> > >>If the self is infinite, how can it is contained in a finite human body? > > > > > > > >>> > >>The same way that space can. > >> > >>toombaru > >> > >>L.E: Is the self infinite? And is space " contained?: Can it be? > >> > >>Larry E. > > > > > First.....find out if there is such a 'thing' as 'self'. > Then find out if there is such thing as infinity. > And then define 'space'. > > Then maybe your finite brain can figure out how they all relate to each > other........or.........maybe not. > > > toombaru > L.E: My finite brain? What about your finite brain? Oh! I see, Dattpr and I have a finite brain but you don't, but you do hang your hat on something that has hair growing on it don't you? As for " self. " Dattapr seems to think there is such a thing as " self, " and he also uses the word " infinite. " If there is such a condtion as self or infinite,, it probably can''t be described. As far as " defining space, " that's probably like defining quiet or silence which could be called the interval between two or more sounds. Perhaps space can be defined as something that exists between or around two or more objects. I'm not concerned about it although definitions can be useful at times. But mostly we just live, and definitions are not very important. If defining is making distinctions, perhaps the distinctions between up and down, on and off are useful at times like knowing the ceiling is up and the basement is down relative to the orientation of the house, but we have discussed that before, haven't we? So then, do you want to define " space " or " self " or " life " or is that irrelevant to your usual state of mind or lack of state of mind. Larry Epston www.epston.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000 wrote: > > If the self is infinite, how can it is contained in a finite human body? > The same way that space can. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000@> wrote: > > > >If the self is infinite, how can it is contained in a finite human body? > > > > > > > > The same way that space can. > > > > toombaru > > > > L.E: Is the self infinite? And is space " contained?: Can it be? > > > > Larry E. > > First.....find out if there is such a 'thing' as 'self'. Then find out if there is such thing as infinity. And then define 'space'. Then maybe your finite brain can figure out how they all relate to each other........or.........maybe not. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 3/11/2006 5:53:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, > lastrain writes: > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > >In Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000@> wrote: > > >> > > >>If the self is infinite, how can it is contained in a finite human body? > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >>The same way that space can. > > >> > > >>toombaru > > >> > > >>L.E: Is the self infinite? And is space " contained?: Can it be? > > >> > > >>Larry E. > > > > > > > > First.....find out if there is such a 'thing' as 'self'. > > Then find out if there is such thing as infinity. > > And then define 'space'. > > > > Then maybe your finite brain can figure out how they all relate to each > > other........or.........maybe not. > > > > > > toombaru > > > L.E: My finite brain? What about your finite brain? Oh! I see, Dattpr and I > have a finite brain but you don't, but you do hang your hat on something that > has hair growing on it don't you? As for " self. " Dattapr seems to think there > is such a thing as " self, " and he also uses the word " infinite. " If there is > such a condtion as self or infinite,, it probably can''t be described. As > far as " defining space, " that's probably like defining quiet or silence which > could be called the interval between two or more sounds. Perhaps space can be > defined as something that exists between or around two or more objects. I'm > not concerned about it although definitions can be useful at times. You think? But mostly > we just live, No!............we are lived.........(big difference). and definitions are not very important. If defining is making > distinctions, perhaps the distinctions between up and down, on and off are > useful at times like knowing the ceiling is up and the basement is down relative to > the orientation of the house, but we have discussed that before, haven't we? Yes. > So then, do you want to define " space " or " self " or " life " or is that > irrelevant to your usual state of mind or lack of state of mind. > The fact that they cannot be defined should tell all you need to know. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 friends discussions have become completely non directional. new new concepts, missing of clarity, ending without any conclusion, what was starting point and where it is ending, full of vague. problems complicated with just pressing 'reply' button while sending mails. any conclusions in a nutshell. at the lotus of shri datta swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org toombaru2006 <lastrain wrote: epston wrote: >> lastrain writes: > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ prakki surya <dattapr2000@> wrote: > > >> > > >>If the self is infinite, how can it is contained in a finite human body? > > >>The same way that space can. > > >>toombaru > > >> > > >>L.E: Is the self infinite? And is space " contained?: Can it be? > > >> > > >>Larry E. > > > > > First.....find out if there is such a 'thing' as 'self'.> > Then find out if there is such thing as infinity.> > And then define 'space'. > > > > Then maybe your finite brain can figure out how they all relate to each other..... ...or....... ..maybe not. > > > > toombaru > > > L.E: My finite brain? What about your finite brain? Oh! I see, Dattpr and I > have a finite brain but you don't, but you do hang your hat on something that > has hair growing on it don't you? As for " self. " Dattapr seems to think there Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 In a message dated 3/12/2006 7:55:31 AM Pacific Standard Time, lastrain writes: > > Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000 wrote: > > > >friends > > > >discussions have become completely non directional. new new concepts, > missing of clarity, ending without any conclusion, what was starting point and > where it is ending, full of vague. problems complicated with just pressing > 'reply' button while sending mails. > > >any conclusions in a nutshell. > > > Nahhh............That's just the normal way the human mind 'sees' things. > 'Yours is just becoming aware of that. > > > toombaru > L.E: " my conclusions in a nutshell " NUTSHELL IS ACCURATE! Please, get out of the nutshell and be just be the nut. Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 Nisargadatta , prakki surya <dattapr2000 wrote: > > friends > > discussions have become completely non directional. new new concepts, missing of clarity, ending without any conclusion, what was starting point and where it is ending, full of vague. problems complicated with just pressing 'reply' button while sending mails. > > any conclusions in a nutshell. Nahhh............That's just the normal way the human mind 'sees' things. 'Yours' is just becoming aware of that. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 dear friends The Lord preached Gita only when Arjuna fell on His feet and craved for the divine knowledge. The Lord said that trying to give the divine knowledge to the people who are not interested due to their ignorance, egoism, jealousy and greed is like throwing a stone on the pond of mud (Krutstnavit Na Vichalayet). But Sankara went to the house of Mandana Misra and begged for a debate. Then Manadana Misra abused Sankara and refused the debate. But Vyasa and Jaimini who were present there objected to such attitude. Then only Mandana Misra entered into a debate and the debate continued for twenty-one days. At the end Mandana Misra realized the truth and became the disciple of Sankara. Here Mandana Misra was benefitted and not Sankara. Therefore you must try to uplift all the souls in this world. Even if the mud falls on you, you must have patience. Sankara did not return back even if Mandana Misra abused Him in a pungent way. The father tries to correct his son even if his son scolds him. Such kind attitude is the divine nature. Krishna tried for kauravas and Hanuman tried for Ravana even if they were insulted. Of course you should leave a rigid person, which should be your last resort because such person is destined to his fate. The Lord does not interfere in your choice of selecting good or bad. Thus, there is full freedom. The supervisor (Lord) is not interfering for all the practical purposes. But this does not mean that the supervisor cannot interfere. The first sentence implies the full freedom and the second sentence implies full control. The situation reveals the mutual existence of both freedom and control without contradicting each other. This means that the Lord supervises and allows the freedom. The freedom is not real but it is the allowed freedom under constant supervision of the Lord. at the lotus of shri datta swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org toombaru2006 <lastrain wrote: Nahhh............That's just the normal way the human mind 'sees' things. 'Yours' is just becoming aware of that. toombaru Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 In a message dated 3/12/2006 9:48:53 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 22:54:33 -0800 (PST) prakki surya <dattapr2000 Re: Nothing But Infinite Self - - - friends discussions have become completely non directional. new new concepts, missing of clarity, ending without any conclusion, what was starting point and where it is ending, full of vague. problems complicated with just pressing 'reply' button while sending mails. any conclusions in a nutshell. at the lotus of shri datta swami surya Mayhaps all the " conclusions " , if indeed there are any, are occurring inside the writers, where they rightly should. Conceptual conclusions, especially when it demands that another's meaningless concepts be made wrong, are of no real value to anyone. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 If everybody is God, what is the meaning of spiritual effort? God needs Spiritual Effort to reach God? God created the universe consisting of animate and inanimate objects. He preaches divine knowledge and does miracles also, if required. If anybody claims to be Lord or God, he should be able to do all these things. Greatest devotees never claimed themselves as Lord, they always love to serve the Lord in human form. Satguru has to be identified by His divine knowledge and serve that Satguru only not any guru. Satguru only can clear all doubts of all disciples. Gurus are devotees having some divine knowledge. So they may sometimes clarify some doubts. Their knowledge is limited only. Only Satguru (lord in human form) will only have the infinite knowledge and clarifies all the doubts of all disciples. Like the studies in our materialistic life, one has to pass through elementary, higher, college and should finally enter university. After studies in University one will join job to serve the country. Like wise, one should serve Lord in human form. Self-analysis is the analysis of self with the help of Satguru who can only show your internal situation. Ex. a doctor can only see the x-ray and diagnose the ailment and give you medicines. Reaching Self is only an intermediate step in the spiritual journey towards the final goal of reaching Lord. Reaching self is not reaching Lord. In spiritual effort three important things are there. 1) knowing about self 2) Knowing the destination 3) the path to reach the destination. Regarding knowing about self, it is sufficient if you know that you are not the destination. Regarding knowing the destination, you should identify the Lord in human form and He is our destination. the identification is by His true infinite spiritual knowledge. Path is the most essential part of spiritual journey. The path leading to Lord is full of sacrifice only, which is only the real indication of our true love towards Him. That is why Jesus told the path leading to kingdom of Lord is very narrow filled with thorns. Because practical sacrifice nobody enjoys. Sacrificing words, mind and intelligence can be done without botheration as Lord gives them freely. Satguru never claims Himself as Lord. It is devotees who believe Him as Lord after listening to His special divine knowledge and sometimes may experience some miracles also. A thorough association with Him for some time while experiencing the special divine knowledge, they will develop the faith that He is lord in human form. at the lotus of shri datta swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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