Guest guest Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 > > > > [To me] spirituality can be summed up in 2 sentences: > > > > > > > > - Are you Happy? > > > > o If not... start investigating " why not " ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK. First answer would usually be: > > > Because I often cannot get what I want. > > > > > > What´s next? > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > Next question will be: > > > > Why do you want things that you want? > > > Because I think they will give me the happy feeling. > What´s next? > > Len Are you sure you need those things in order to be happy - have you tried just wanting happiness itself - not bothering to 'want' anything else? .... How does the 'feeling of happiness' feel to you? What is it? Have you ever felt it? This *feeling of happiness* - when it appears – does it appear outside of you or does it appear INSIDE of you? Have you ever turned your full attention Within and tried finding this happiness inside? Can you go within and feel it now? .... Are you sure this feeling of happiness that you feel inside is dependent on presence or absence of the things that you want? Do you really need the things that you think you need - in order to turn your attention within and See how the feeling of Happiness feels? Try it Now! .... In present that you don't have things that you think might make you happy... is that wanting making you happy or unhappy? Are you sure you need to be 'unhappy' 'now' in order to take actions to create things for 'later'? Try locating that feeling of happiness that you value Inside you... and, see if it is still possible to take actions that you find worth taking! .... Is it possible to feel happiness inside and still be active outside? Have you tried it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming wrote: > > > > > > [To me] spirituality can be summed up in 2 sentences: > > > > > > > > > > - Are you Happy? > > > > > o If not... start investigating " why not " ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK. First answer would usually be: > > > > Because I often cannot get what I want. > > > > > > > > What´s next? > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > > Next question will be: > > > > > > Why do you want things that you want? > > > > > > Because I think they will give me the happy feeling. > > What´s next? > > > > Len > > > Are you sure you need those things in order > to be happy - have you tried just wanting > happiness itself - not bothering to 'want' > anything else? > > ... > > > How does the 'feeling of happiness' feel > to you? What is it? Have you ever felt it? > > > This *feeling of happiness* - when it appears – > does it appear outside of you or does it appear > INSIDE of you? > > Have you ever turned your full attention Within and > tried finding this happiness inside? > > Can you go within and feel it now? > > > ... > > > Are you sure this feeling of happiness that you > feel inside is dependent on presence or absence > of the things that you want? > > Do you really need the things that you think > you need - in order to turn your attention within > and See how the feeling of Happiness feels? > > > Try it Now! > > > ... > > > In present that you don't have things that > you think might make you happy... > > is that wanting making you > happy or unhappy? > > Are you sure you need to be 'unhappy' 'now' > in order to take actions to create things for 'later'? > > > Try locating that feeling of happiness > that you value Inside you... > > and, see if it is still possible to take actions > that you find worth taking! > > > ... > > Is it possible to feel happiness inside and still > be active outside? > > Have you tried it? Wow, it´s an lot at once. I was just trying to inquire, step by step. I want something because I think that it will give me a happy feeling. As long as I can get what I want, I usually keep pursuing it, to get the satisfaction. The interesting situation arises when I cannot get something which I want. Let´s have a look at it, what happens then? What do you do when you cannot get what you want? len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 [...] > I want something because I think that it will give me a happy > feeling. > As long as I can get what I want, I usually keep pursuing it, to get > the satisfaction. > The interesting situation arises when I cannot get something which I > want. > Let´s have a look at it, what happens then? > What do you do when you cannot get what you want? I check... If I can " want " ... exactly what I have " got " ! > > len > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 In a message dated 3/14/2006 7:56:41 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 00:57:31 -0000 " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 Re: Finding Happiness / Len. Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming wrote: > > > > > > [To me] spirituality can be summed up in 2 sentences: > > > > > > > > > > - Are you Happy? > > > > > o If not... start investigating " why not " ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK. First answer would usually be: > > > > Because I often cannot get what I want. > > > > > > > > What´s next? > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > > Next question will be: > > > > > > Why do you want things that you want? > > > > > > Because I think they will give me the happy feeling. > > What´s next? > > > > Len > > > Are you sure you need those things in order > to be happy - have you tried just wanting > happiness itself - not bothering to 'want' > anything else? > > ... > > > How does the 'feeling of happiness' feel > to you? What is it? Have you ever felt it? > > > This *feeling of happiness* - when it appears – > does it appear outside of you or does it appear > INSIDE of you? > > Have you ever turned your full attention Within and > tried finding this happiness inside? > > Can you go within and feel it now? > > > ... > > > Are you sure this feeling of happiness that you > feel inside is dependent on presence or absence > of the things that you want? > > Do you really need the things that you think > you need - in order to turn your attention within > and See how the feeling of Happiness feels? > > > Try it Now! > > > ... > > > In present that you don't have things that > you think might make you happy... > > is that wanting making you > happy or unhappy? > > Are you sure you need to be 'unhappy' 'now' > in order to take actions to create things for 'later'? > > > Try locating that feeling of happiness > that you value Inside you... > > and, see if it is still possible to take actions > that you find worth taking! > > > ... > > Is it possible to feel happiness inside and still > be active outside? > > Have you tried it? Wow, it´s an lot at once. I was just trying to inquire, step by step. I want something because I think that it will give me a happy feeling. As long as I can get what I want, I usually keep pursuing it, to get the satisfaction. The interesting situation arises when I cannot get something which I want. Let´s have a look at it, what happens then? What do you do when you cannot get what you want? len You could stop and recognize that there is no end to the wanting, and even those things that you got quickly transformed themselves from something that brings happiness to something that threatens to leave and take your happiness with it. This applies to all needs, physical or emotional. There is no end. It's a game some of us have played for thousands of lives and we're still looking for the end. There's a line from an 80's movie called 'War Games', in reference to the game of strategic nuclear warfare. " Strange game. The only way to win is not to play...... " . Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming wrote: > > [...] > > > I want something because I think that it will give me a happy > > feeling. > > As long as I can get what I want, I usually keep pursuing it, to > get > > the satisfaction. > > The interesting situation arises when I cannot get something which > I > > want. > > Let´s have a look at it, what happens then? > > What do you do when you cannot get what you want? > > > I check... > > If I can " want " ... exactly what I have " got " ! I wonder, aren´t you subtly forcing yourself to want what you got to avoid the discomfort of not having what you want? Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 In a message dated 3/14/2006 3:54:09 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 22:25:29 -0000 " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 Re: Finding Happiness / Len. Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming wrote: > > [...] > > > I want something because I think that it will give me a happy > > feeling. > > As long as I can get what I want, I usually keep pursuing it, to > get > > the satisfaction. > > The interesting situation arises when I cannot get something which > I > > want. > > Let´s have a look at it, what happens then? > > What do you do when you cannot get what you want? > > > I check... > > If I can " want " ... exactly what I have " got " ! I wonder, aren´t you subtly forcing yourself to want what you got to avoid the discomfort of not having what you want? Len That, of course, doesn't work. That would be choosing to not want, which is an illusory choice. The goal is to see that the idea of fulfillment, itself, is an illusion. There is no happiness in the world without it's dualistic counterpart. This is so because happiness of mind is entirely made up. It's the white dot, only visible against a black background. It's the warmth of a summer's day, only discernible against the backdrop of a bone chilling winter's night. This is why everything in our world is in constant movement between opposite polarities. If you're going to make up a feeling, which is what we do, you'd better make up the opposite feeling or it loses all meaning. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/14/2006 7:56:41 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Tue, 14 Mar 2006 00:57:31 -0000 > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 > Re: Finding Happiness / Len. > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > [To me] spirituality can be summed up in 2 sentences: > > > > > > > > > > > > - Are you Happy? > > > > > > o If not... start investigating " why not " ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK. First answer would usually be: > > > > > Because I often cannot get what I want. > > > > > > > > > > What´s next? > > > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next question will be: > > > > > > > > Why do you want things that you want? > > > > > > > > > Because I think they will give me the happy feeling. > > > What´s next? > > > > > > Len > > > > > > Are you sure you need those things in order > > to be happy - have you tried just wanting > > happiness itself - not bothering to 'want' > > anything else? > > > > ... > > > > > > How does the 'feeling of happiness' feel > > to you? What is it? Have you ever felt it? > > > > > > This *feeling of happiness* - when it appears †" > > does it appear outside of you or does it appear > > INSIDE of you? > > > > Have you ever turned your full attention Within and > > tried finding this happiness inside? > > > > Can you go within and feel it now? > > > > > > ... > > > > > > Are you sure this feeling of happiness that you > > feel inside is dependent on presence or absence > > of the things that you want? > > > > Do you really need the things that you think > > you need - in order to turn your attention within > > and See how the feeling of Happiness feels? > > > > > > Try it Now! > > > > > > ... > > > > > > In present that you don't have things that > > you think might make you happy... > > > > is that wanting making you > > happy or unhappy? > > > > Are you sure you need to be 'unhappy' 'now' > > in order to take actions to create things for 'later'? > > > > > > Try locating that feeling of happiness > > that you value Inside you... > > > > and, see if it is still possible to take actions > > that you find worth taking! > > > > > > ... > > > > Is it possible to feel happiness inside and still > > be active outside? > > > > Have you tried it? > > > > Wow, it´s an lot at once. > I was just trying to inquire, step by step. > I want something because I think that it will give me a happy > feeling. > As long as I can get what I want, I usually keep pursuing it, to get > the satisfaction. > The interesting situation arises when I cannot get something which I > want. > Let´s have a look at it, what happens then? > What do you do when you cannot get what you want? > > len > > > > You could stop and recognize that there is no end to the wanting, and even > those things that you got quickly transformed themselves from something that > brings happiness to something that threatens to leave and take your happiness > with it. This applies to all needs, physical or emotional. > > There is no end. It's a game some of us have played for thousands of lives Do you believe in reincarnation? > and we're still looking for the end. There's a line from an 80's movie called > 'War Games', in reference to the game of strategic nuclear warfare. " Strange > game. The only way to win is not to play...... " . > > Phil Did you do that (stop and recognize) or are you hoping to do that n the future? Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > I wonder, aren´t you subtly forcing yourself to want what you got to > avoid the discomfort of not having what you want? > > Len > That, of course, doesn't work. That would be choosing to not want, which is > an illusory choice. The goal is to see that the idea of fulfillment, itself, > is an illusion. Be careful here: the GOAL. The goal is wanting. Is wanting ever going to get you to not wanting? That´s waht I mean: subtly forcing oneself (wanting) to see things in a certain way in order not to suffer. Len > There is no happiness in the world without it's dualistic > counterpart. This is so because happiness of mind is entirely made up. It's the > white dot, only visible against a black background. It's the warmth of a > summer's day, only discernible against the backdrop of a bone chilling winter's > night. This is why everything in our world is in constant movement between > opposite polarities. If you're going to make up a feeling, which is what we do, > you'd better make up the opposite feeling or it loses all meaning. > > Phil > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 > > > Be careful here: The attempt to 'be careful' is just another part if the fitful floundering. toombaru the GOAL. The goal is wanting. > Is wanting ever going to get you to not wanting? > That´s waht I mean: subtly forcing oneself (wanting) to see things > in a certain way in order not to suffer. > > Len > > > > > There is no happiness in the world without it's dualistic > > counterpart. This is so because happiness of mind is entirely made > up. It's the > > white dot, only visible against a black background. It's the > warmth of a > > summer's day, only discernible against the backdrop of a bone > chilling winter's > > night. This is why everything in our world is in constant movement > between > > opposite polarities. If you're going to make up a feeling, which > is what we do, > > you'd better make up the opposite feeling or it loses all meaning. > > > > Phil > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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