Guest guest Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 In a message dated 3/14/2006 7:56:41 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 01:25:36 -0000 " Arvind " <adithya_comming Re: Finding Happiness / Len. [...] > I want something because I think that it will give me a happy > feeling. > As long as I can get what I want, I usually keep pursuing it, to get > the satisfaction. > The interesting situation arises when I cannot get something which I > want. > Let´s have a look at it, what happens then? > What do you do when you cannot get what you want? I check... If I can " want " ... exactly what I have " got " ! > > len Peace........Deep Peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 In a message dated 3/15/2006 7:12:51 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:15:48 -0000 " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 Re: Finding Happiness / Len. Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/14/2006 7:56:41 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Tue, 14 Mar 2006 00:57:31 -0000 > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 > Re: Finding Happiness / Len. > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > [To me] spirituality can be summed up in 2 sentences: > > > > > > > > > > > > - Are you Happy? > > > > > > o If not... start investigating " why not " ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK. First answer would usually be: > > > > > Because I often cannot get what I want. > > > > > > > > > > What´s next? > > > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next question will be: > > > > > > > > Why do you want things that you want? > > > > > > > > > Because I think they will give me the happy feeling. > > > What´s next? > > > > > > Len > > > > > > Are you sure you need those things in order > > to be happy - have you tried just wanting > > happiness itself - not bothering to 'want' > > anything else? > > > > ... > > > > > > How does the 'feeling of happiness' feel > > to you? What is it? Have you ever felt it? > > > > > > This *feeling of happiness* - when it appears †" > > does it appear outside of you or does it appear > > INSIDE of you? > > > > Have you ever turned your full attention Within and > > tried finding this happiness inside? > > > > Can you go within and feel it now? > > > > > > ... > > > > > > Are you sure this feeling of happiness that you > > feel inside is dependent on presence or absence > > of the things that you want? > > > > Do you really need the things that you think > > you need - in order to turn your attention within > > and See how the feeling of Happiness feels? > > > > > > Try it Now! > > > > > > ... > > > > > > In present that you don't have things that > > you think might make you happy... > > > > is that wanting making you > > happy or unhappy? > > > > Are you sure you need to be 'unhappy' 'now' > > in order to take actions to create things for 'later'? > > > > > > Try locating that feeling of happiness > > that you value Inside you... > > > > and, see if it is still possible to take actions > > that you find worth taking! > > > > > > ... > > > > Is it possible to feel happiness inside and still > > be active outside? > > > > Have you tried it? > > > > Wow, it´s an lot at once. > I was just trying to inquire, step by step. > I want something because I think that it will give me a happy > feeling. > As long as I can get what I want, I usually keep pursuing it, to get > the satisfaction. > The interesting situation arises when I cannot get something which I > want. > Let´s have a look at it, what happens then? > What do you do when you cannot get what you want? > > len > > > > You could stop and recognize that there is no end to the wanting, and even > those things that you got quickly transformed themselves from something that > brings happiness to something that threatens to leave and take your happiness > with it. This applies to all needs, physical or emotional. > > There is no end. It's a game some of us have played for thousands of lives Do you believe in reincarnation? > and we're still looking for the end. There's a line from an 80's movie called > 'War Games', in reference to the game of strategic nuclear warfare. " Strange > game. The only way to win is not to play...... " . > > Phil Did you do that (stop and recognize) or are you hoping to do that n the future? Len I've been in retreat for 3 and a half years. No TV, radio, phone, newspapers. It's not unusual at all to go weeks with seeing another human being, except my lady who lives with me. This here computer is my only link to the world. I have everything I need, whatever shows up. That's it, Len. Take it or leave it. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 Be careful here: the GOAL. The goal is wanting. Is wanting ever going to get you to not wanting? That´s waht I mean: subtly forcing oneself (wanting) to see things in a certain way in order not to suffer. Len Then stop doing that! Phil In a message dated 3/15/2006 7:12:51 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:33:25 -0000 " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 Re: Finding Happiness / Len. Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > I wonder, aren´t you subtly forcing yourself to want what you got to > avoid the discomfort of not having what you want? > > Len > That, of course, doesn't work. That would be choosing to not want, which is > an illusory choice. The goal is to see that the idea of fulfillment, itself, > is an illusion. Be careful here: the GOAL. The goal is wanting. Is wanting ever going to get you to not wanting? That´s waht I mean: subtly forcing oneself (wanting) to see things in a certain way in order not to suffer. Len > There is no happiness in the world without it's dualistic > counterpart. This is so because happiness of mind is entirely made up. It's the > white dot, only visible against a black background. It's the warmth of a > summer's day, only discernible against the backdrop of a bone chilling winter's > night. This is why everything in our world is in constant movement between > opposite polarities. If you're going to make up a feeling, which is what we do, > you'd better make up the opposite feeling or it loses all meaning. > > Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/15/2006 7:12:51 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:15:48 -0000 > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 > Re: Finding Happiness / Len. > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 3/14/2006 7:56:41 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > Tue, 14 Mar 2006 00:57:31 -0000 > > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > > Re: Finding Happiness / Len. > > > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > [To me] spirituality can be summed up in 2 sentences: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Are you Happy? > > > > > > > o If not... start investigating " why not " ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK. First answer would usually be: > > > > > > Because I often cannot get what I want. > > > > > > > > > > > > What´s next? > > > > > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next question will be: > > > > > > > > > > Why do you want things that you want? > > > > > > > > > > > > Because I think they will give me the happy feeling. > > > > What´s next? > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > Are you sure you need those things in order > > > to be happy - have you tried just wanting > > > happiness itself - not bothering to 'want' > > > anything else? > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > How does the 'feeling of happiness' feel > > > to you? What is it? Have you ever felt it? > > > > > > > > > This *feeling of happiness* - when it appears †" > > > does it appear outside of you or does it appear > > > INSIDE of you? > > > > > > Have you ever turned your full attention Within and > > > tried finding this happiness inside? > > > > > > Can you go within and feel it now? > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > Are you sure this feeling of happiness that you > > > feel inside is dependent on presence or absence > > > of the things that you want? > > > > > > Do you really need the things that you think > > > you need - in order to turn your attention within > > > and See how the feeling of Happiness feels? > > > > > > > > > Try it Now! > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > In present that you don't have things that > > > you think might make you happy... > > > > > > is that wanting making you > > > happy or unhappy? > > > > > > Are you sure you need to be 'unhappy' 'now' > > > in order to take actions to create things for 'later'? > > > > > > > > > Try locating that feeling of happiness > > > that you value Inside you... > > > > > > and, see if it is still possible to take actions > > > that you find worth taking! > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > Is it possible to feel happiness inside and still > > > be active outside? > > > > > > Have you tried it? > > > > > > > > Wow, it´s an lot at once. > > I was just trying to inquire, step by step. > > I want something because I think that it will give me a happy > > feeling. > > As long as I can get what I want, I usually keep pursuing it, to > get > > the satisfaction. > > The interesting situation arises when I cannot get something > which I > > want. > > Let´s have a look at it, what happens then? > > What do you do when you cannot get what you want? > > > > len > > > > > > > > You could stop and recognize that there is no end to the wanting, > and even > > those things that you got quickly transformed themselves from > something that > > brings happiness to something that threatens to leave and take > your happiness > > with it. This applies to all needs, physical or emotional. > > > > There is no end. It's a game some of us have played for thousands > of lives > > > Do you believe in reincarnation? > > > > > and we're still looking for the end. There's a line from an 80's > movie called > > 'War Games', in reference to the game of strategic nuclear > warfare. " Strange > > game. The only way to win is not to play...... " . > > > > Phil > > > > Did you do that (stop and recognize) or are you hoping to do that n > the future? > > Len > > > > I've been in retreat for 3 and a half years. No TV, radio, phone, > newspapers. It's not unusual at all to go weeks with seeing another human being, except > my lady who lives with me. This here computer is my only link to the world. > I have everything I need, whatever shows up. > > That's it, Len. Take it or leave it. > > Phil Wow! How do you make your living? But maybe you´re just escaping the world with its challenges? Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > Be careful here: the GOAL. The goal is wanting. > Is wanting ever going to get you to not wanting? > That´s waht I mean: subtly forcing oneself (wanting) to see things > in a certain way in order not to suffer. > > Len > > > Then stop doing that! > > Phil I´m not doing that :-) Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 In a message dated 3/17/2006 1:53:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 23:23:32 -0000 " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 Re: Finding Happiness / Len > I've been in retreat for 3 and a half years. No TV, radio, phone, > newspapers. It's not unusual at all to go weeks with seeing another human being, except > my lady who lives with me. This here computer is my only link to the world. > I have everything I need, whatever shows up. > > That's it, Len. Take it or leave it. > > Phil Wow! How do you make your living? But maybe you´re just escaping the world with its challenges? Len You never know, do ya? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 In a message dated 3/17/2006 1:53:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 23:24:23 -0000 " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 Re: Finding Happiness / Len Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > Be careful here: the GOAL. The goal is wanting. > Is wanting ever going to get you to not wanting? > That´s waht I mean: subtly forcing oneself (wanting) to see things > in a certain way in order not to suffer. > > Len > > > Then stop doing that! > > Phil I´m not doing that :-) Len Well, I'm not doing it, and they were your thoughts, so you must be doing it. ~ You're very suspicious of folks deluding themselves and others, Len. I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying it's your thing. KnowhatImeanVern? Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/17/2006 1:53:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Thu, 16 Mar 2006 23:24:23 -0000 > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 > Re: Finding Happiness / Len > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > Be careful here: the GOAL. The goal is wanting. > > Is wanting ever going to get you to not wanting? > > That´s waht I mean: subtly forcing oneself (wanting) to see things > > in a certain way in order not to suffer. > > > > Len > > > > > > Then stop doing that! > > > > Phil > > > I´m not doing that :-) > > Len > > > > Well, I'm not doing it, and they were your thoughts, so you must be doing > it. ~ > You're very suspicious of folks deluding themselves and others, Len. I'm not > saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying it's your thing. KnowhatImeanVern? > Phil No, it´s yours. You spoke about a goal, so I pointed ot that a goal is wanting, that´s all. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 In a message dated 3/17/2006 11:34:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, ADHHUB writes: > >I've been in retreat for 3 and a half years. No TV, radio, phone, > >newspapers. It's not unusual at all to go weeks with seeing > another human being, except > >my lady who lives with me. This here computer is my only link to > the world. > >I have everything I need, whatever shows up. L.E: Does your lady share your retreat, or does she have her own TV, stereo, collection of porno videos, snack food and sexy underwear, hidden in her room, or in a shed, or in the basement? Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/17/2006 1:53:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Thu, 16 Mar 2006 23:23:32 -0000 > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 > Re: Finding Happiness / Len > > > > > > > I've been in retreat for 3 and a half years. No TV, radio, phone, > > newspapers. It's not unusual at all to go weeks with seeing > another human being, except > > my lady who lives with me. This here computer is my only link to > the world. > > I have everything I need, whatever shows up. > > > > That's it, Len. Take it or leave it. > > > > Phil > > > > Wow! How do you make your living? > But maybe you´re just escaping the world with its challenges? > > Len > > > > You never know, do ya? It depends, if you tell me, I will. Provided you know it yourself ;-) How do you earn your living, Phil, I'm interested? Are you old and retired ? :-) Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 In a message dated 3/18/2006 2:43:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 16:46:04 -0000 " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 Re: Finding Happiness / Len Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/17/2006 1:53:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Thu, 16 Mar 2006 23:23:32 -0000 > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 > Re: Finding Happiness / Len > > > > > > > I've been in retreat for 3 and a half years. No TV, radio, phone, > > newspapers. It's not unusual at all to go weeks with seeing > another human being, except > > my lady who lives with me. This here computer is my only link to > the world. > > I have everything I need, whatever shows up. > > > > That's it, Len. Take it or leave it. > > > > Phil > > > > Wow! How do you make your living? > But maybe you´re just escaping the world with its challenges? > > Len > > > > You never know, do ya? It depends, if you tell me, I will. Provided you know it yourself ;-) How do you earn your living, Phil, I'm interested? Are you old and retired ? :-) Len I had a profitable career as an electrical engineer, and managed my income well enough to temporarily focus exclusively on what I love the most. It's only temporary and I don't wish to permanently retire, though I won't be returning to the engineering field. (I'm 50) Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 In a message dated 3/19/2006 12:40:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, ADHHUB writes: > I had a profitable career as an electrical engineer, and managed my income > > well enough to temporarily focus exclusively on what I love the most. L.E: What do you love the most Phil? Being on the Niz, or something else as well? Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 In a message dated 3/18/2006 9:31:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 00:55:52 -0000 " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 Re: Finding Happiness / Len Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/17/2006 1:53:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Thu, 16 Mar 2006 23:24:23 -0000 > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 > Re: Finding Happiness / Len > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > Be careful here: the GOAL. The goal is wanting. > > Is wanting ever going to get you to not wanting? > > That´s waht I mean: subtly forcing oneself (wanting) to see things > > in a certain way in order not to suffer. > > > > Len > > > > > > Then stop doing that! > > > > Phil > > > I´m not doing that :-) > > Len > > > > Well, I'm not doing it, and they were your thoughts, so you must be doing > it. ~ > You're very suspicious of folks deluding themselves and others, Len. I'm not > saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying it's your thing. KnowhatImeanVern? > Phil No, it´s yours. You spoke about a goal, so I pointed ot that a goal is wanting, that´s all. Len You took one word out of context and developed your own thesis. The word " goal " became the idea of me " subtly forcing oneself (wanting) to see things in a certain way in order not to suffer. " (Your thoughts) Never mind. Nobody hears each other here and it doesn't matter. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 In a message dated 3/19/2006 3:02:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, lissbon2002 writes: > I´ve extinguished all my desires except of this one ;-) > > Len > L.E: Did you use the standard extinguisher, you know, the RX 905 or the new PR 707? And are you sure you got all the little embers. The ones that flash into flame with the smallest breeze. So that cheescake doesn't interest you? The chilled martini, the doobie, the immolation from rock and roll, the girl in the black panties? Good job. Just dead cold embers. That a boy! Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/18/2006 9:31:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Sat, 18 Mar 2006 00:55:52 -0000 > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 > Re: Finding Happiness / Len > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 3/17/2006 1:53:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > Thu, 16 Mar 2006 23:24:23 -0000 > > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > > Re: Finding Happiness / Len > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Be careful here: the GOAL. The goal is wanting. > > > Is wanting ever going to get you to not wanting? > > > That´s waht I mean: subtly forcing oneself (wanting) to see > things > > > in a certain way in order not to suffer. > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > Then stop doing that! > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > I´m not doing that :-) > > > > Len > > > > > > > > Well, I'm not doing it, and they were your thoughts, so you must > be doing > > it. ~ > > You're very suspicious of folks deluding themselves and others, > Len. I'm not > > saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying it's your thing. > KnowhatImeanVern? > > Phil > > > > No, it´s yours. > You spoke about a goal, so I pointed ot that a goal is wanting, > that´s all. > > Len > > > > You took one word out of context and developed your own thesis. The word > " goal " became the idea of me " subtly forcing oneself (wanting) to see > things in a certain way in order not to suffer. " (Your thoughts) > > Never mind. Nobody hears each other here and it doesn't matter. > > Phil The main thing is that my thesis is wrong ;-) Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/18/2006 2:43:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Sat, 18 Mar 2006 16:46:04 -0000 > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 > Re: Finding Happiness / Len > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 3/17/2006 1:53:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > Thu, 16 Mar 2006 23:23:32 -0000 > > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > > Re: Finding Happiness / Len > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been in retreat for 3 and a half years. No TV, radio, > phone, > > > newspapers. It's not unusual at all to go weeks with seeing > > another human being, except > > > my lady who lives with me. This here computer is my only link to > > the world. > > > I have everything I need, whatever shows up. > > > > > > That's it, Len. Take it or leave it. > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > Wow! How do you make your living? > > But maybe you´re just escaping the world with its challenges? > > > > Len > > > > > > > > You never know, do ya? > > > It depends, if you tell me, I will. Provided you know it yourself ;-) > How do you earn your living, Phil, I'm interested? Are you old and > retired ? :-) > > Len > > > > I had a profitable career as an electrical engineer, and managed my income > well enough to temporarily focus exclusively on what I love the most. It's only > temporary and I don't wish to permanently retire, though I won't be > returning to the engineering field. (I'm 50) > > Phil So, a temporary retreat... I don´t mind people, magazines and television, but I wouldn´t mind permanently retiring though. Somewhere in South of France or Spain. I´ve extinguished all my desires except of this one ;-) Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 In a message dated 3/19/2006 8:50:51 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 03:49:30 EST epston Re: Finding Happiness / Len In a message dated 3/19/2006 12:40:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, ADHHUB writes: > I had a profitable career as an electrical engineer, and managed my income > > well enough to temporarily focus exclusively on what I love the most. L.E: What do you love the most Phil? Being on the Niz, or something else as well? Larry Epston Honestly, I often find this forum of marginal interest and overwhelmingly humorless with a surprising degree of wild and woolly ego running amuk, but for now it seems to serve a purpose. When you're done with me, there are only six and a half billion more to go, and you'll be better than everyone. Good luck with that. What I love is Truth. Care for a bite? Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 In a message dated 3/19/2006 4:13:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:16:43 -0000 " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 Re: Finding Happiness / Len Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/18/2006 9:31:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Sat, 18 Mar 2006 00:55:52 -0000 > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 > Re: Finding Happiness / Len > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 3/17/2006 1:53:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > Thu, 16 Mar 2006 23:24:23 -0000 > > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > > Re: Finding Happiness / Len > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Be careful here: the GOAL. The goal is wanting. > > > Is wanting ever going to get you to not wanting? > > > That´s waht I mean: subtly forcing oneself (wanting) to see > things > > > in a certain way in order not to suffer. > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > Then stop doing that! > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > I´m not doing that :-) > > > > Len > > > > > > > > Well, I'm not doing it, and they were your thoughts, so you must > be doing > > it. ~ > > You're very suspicious of folks deluding themselves and others, > Len. I'm not > > saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying it's your thing. > KnowhatImeanVern? > > Phil > > > > No, it´s yours. > You spoke about a goal, so I pointed ot that a goal is wanting, > that´s all. > > Len > > > > You took one word out of context and developed your own thesis. The word > " goal " became the idea of me " subtly forcing oneself (wanting) to see > things in a certain way in order not to suffer. " (Your thoughts) > > Never mind. Nobody hears each other here and it doesn't matter. > > Phil The main thing is that my thesis is wrong ;-) Len Nope. Once again, the main thing is that it's your thesis. It tells you volumes about who you think you are, but not if you pretend it has nothing to do with you. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 3/19/2006 3:02:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, > lissbon2002 writes: > > > I´ve extinguished all my desires except of this one ;-) > > > > Len > > > > L.E: Did you use the standard extinguisher, you know, the RX 905 or the new > PR 707? And are you sure you got all the little embers. The ones that flash > into flame with the smallest breeze. So that cheescake doesn't interest you? > The chilled martini, the doobie, the immolation from rock and roll, the girl > in the black panties? > Good job. Just dead cold embers. That a boy! > > Larry Epston ************* MMMMMMMMMMMM....food, alcohol, drugs, rock n' roll and sex!! Woohoo. " Silver " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 3/19/2006 3:02:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, > lissbon2002 writes: > > > I´ve extinguished all my desires except of this one ;-) > > > > Len > > > > L.E: Did you use the standard extinguisher, you know, the RX 905 or the new > PR 707? And are you sure you got all the little embers. The ones that flash > into flame with the smallest breeze. So that cheescake doesn't interest you? > The chilled martini, the doobie, the immolation from rock and roll, the girl > in the black panties? I have it all already, so no need to desire :-) Len > Good job. Just dead cold embers. That a boy! > > Larry Epston > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/19/2006 4:13:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:16:43 -0000 > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 > Re: Finding Happiness / Len > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 3/18/2006 9:31:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > Sat, 18 Mar 2006 00:55:52 -0000 > > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > > Re: Finding Happiness / Len > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/17/2006 1:53:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > Thu, 16 Mar 2006 23:24:23 -0000 > > > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > > > Re: Finding Happiness / Len > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Be careful here: the GOAL. The goal is wanting. > > > > Is wanting ever going to get you to not wanting? > > > > That´s waht I mean: subtly forcing oneself (wanting) to see > > things > > > > in a certain way in order not to suffer. > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > > Then stop doing that! > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > I´m not doing that :-) > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I'm not doing it, and they were your thoughts, so you > must > > be doing > > > it. ~ > > > You're very suspicious of folks deluding themselves and others, > > Len. I'm not > > > saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying it's your thing. > > KnowhatImeanVern? > > > Phil > > > > > > > > No, it´s yours. > > You spoke about a goal, so I pointed ot that a goal is wanting, > > that´s all. > > > > Len > > > > > > > > You took one word out of context and developed your own thesis. > The word > > " goal " became the idea of me " subtly forcing oneself (wanting) > to see > > things in a certain way in order not to suffer. " (Your > thoughts) > > > > Never mind. Nobody hears each other here and it doesn't matter. > > > > Phil > > > The main thing is that my thesis is wrong ;-) > > Len > > > > Nope. Once again, the main thing is that it's your thesis. It tells you > volumes about who you think you are, but not if you pretend it has nothing to do > with you. > > Phil Does it? Please tell me who I think I am. Or will it be something you think I am? Hmmm... len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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