Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is not clear for you ....ok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everything what is behind mind can't be described.... > > > > > > > > > > > > W: it cannot be described because it is nothing, this is > > clear. > > > > > > first things first. > > > > > > is is so for you, Marc? > > > > > > or in your view it cannot be described because of some > > > reason? > > > > > > or you think it has some features but they cannot be > > > described? > > > > > > or do you think those features can be known but not > > > > communicated > > > > > > through words? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi bigwaaba, > > > > > > > > > > yes, true....maybe the only reason one try to > > > > describe " truth " ....is > > > > > ignorance > > > > > > > > > > so you tell that what is behind mind is nothing....i mean, > > > clearly > > > > > nothing > > > > > > > > > > sounds clear....indeed > > > > > > > > > > concerning your questions.... > > > > > they look like only one question: " can there be description > > (for > > > > some > > > > > reason)....or not? " > > > > > > > > > > no...there can't be description > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Marc, > > > > > > > > realization of nothing leaves everything untouched > > > > setting everything where it belongs > > > > > > " realization of nothing " ....?..... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > yes > > no need to question it > > it is nothing > > what are you questioning? > > i have no idea what do you mean with : > " realization of nothing leaves everything untouched > > > > setting everything where it belongs " > > you could try to explain > > Marc > you got it! you say " i have no idea " and that's it: nothing realization of nothing is seeing that nothing is what is searched or pointed to in the different names of God, Self, Nirvana, Heaven,Enlightenment,... when this is seen everything is seen to be in the right place, where it belongs, without any need nor possibility nor desire to change anything, it all remains untouched. Intellect is fully satisfied, intuition comes to an end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is not clear for you ....ok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everything what is behind mind can't be described.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > W: it cannot be described because it is nothing, this is > > > clear. > > > > > > > first things first. > > > > > > > is is so for you, Marc? > > > > > > > or in your view it cannot be described because of some > > > > reason? > > > > > > > or you think it has some features but they cannot be > > > > described? > > > > > > > or do you think those features can be known but not > > > > > communicated > > > > > > > through words? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi bigwaaba, > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, true....maybe the only reason one try to > > > > > describe " truth " ....is > > > > > > ignorance > > > > > > > > > > > > so you tell that what is behind mind is nothing....i mean, > > > > clearly > > > > > > nothing > > > > > > > > > > > > sounds clear....indeed > > > > > > > > > > > > concerning your questions.... > > > > > > they look like only one question: " can there be description > > > (for > > > > > some > > > > > > reason)....or not? " > > > > > > > > > > > > no...there can't be description > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Marc, > > > > > > > > > > realization of nothing leaves everything untouched > > > > > setting everything where it belongs > > > > > > > > " realization of nothing " ....?..... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes > > > no need to question it > > > it is nothing > > > what are you questioning? > > > > i have no idea what do you mean with : > > " realization of nothing leaves everything untouched > > > > > setting everything where it belongs " > > > > you could try to explain > > > > Marc > > > > you got it! you say " i have no idea " and that's it: nothing > realization of nothing is seeing that nothing is what is searched or > pointed to in the different names of God, Self, Nirvana, > Heaven,Enlightenment,... > when this is seen everything is seen to be in the right place, where > it belongs, without any need nor possibility nor desire to change > anything, it all remains untouched. Intellect is fully satisfied, > intuition comes to an end. first time i hear about this " realization of nothing " .....but ok..... there seem to be infinite numbers of " realizations " .....and " whatever " so you tell that in the " realization of nothing " ....there is " nothing " to searched for......?.... sounds relax...indeed.... you write: " it belongs, without any need nor possibility nor desire to change > anything, it all remains untouched. " yes....there is no real reason trying to " change " anything.... you write: " Intellect is fully satisfied, > intuition comes to an end. " intuition come to an end when intellect is satisfied...?... Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " > <bigwaaba@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is not clear for you ....ok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everything what is behind mind can't be described.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > W: it cannot be described because it is nothing, this > is > > > > clear. > > > > > > > > first things first. > > > > > > > > is is so for you, Marc? > > > > > > > > or in your view it cannot be described because of > some > > > > > reason? > > > > > > > > or you think it has some features but they cannot be > > > > > described? > > > > > > > > or do you think those features can be known but not > > > > > > communicated > > > > > > > > through words? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi bigwaaba, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, true....maybe the only reason one try to > > > > > > describe " truth " ....is > > > > > > > ignorance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so you tell that what is behind mind is nothing....i > mean, > > > > > clearly > > > > > > > nothing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounds clear....indeed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concerning your questions.... > > > > > > > they look like only one question: " can there be > description > > > > (for > > > > > > some > > > > > > > reason)....or not? " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no...there can't be description > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Marc, > > > > > > > > > > > > realization of nothing leaves everything untouched > > > > > > setting everything where it belongs > > > > > > > > > > " realization of nothing " ....?..... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes > > > > no need to question it > > > > it is nothing > > > > what are you questioning? > > > > > > i have no idea what do you mean with : > > > " realization of nothing leaves everything untouched > > > > > > setting everything where it belongs " > > > > > > you could try to explain > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > you got it! you say " i have no idea " and that's it: nothing > > realization of nothing is seeing that nothing is what is searched > or > > pointed to in the different names of God, Self, Nirvana, > > Heaven,Enlightenment,... > > when this is seen everything is seen to be in the right place, > where > > it belongs, without any need nor possibility nor desire to change > > anything, it all remains untouched. Intellect is fully satisfied, > > intuition comes to an end. > > first time i hear about this " realization of nothing " .....but ok..... > there seem to be infinite numbers of " realizations " .....and " whatever " > > so you tell that in the " realization of nothing " ....there > is " nothing " to searched for......?.... W: mm. of course it is hard to persuade a sane human being to go for a quest for nothing! > > sounds relax...indeed.... > > you write: > " it belongs, without any need nor possibility nor desire to change > > anything, it all remains untouched. " > > yes....there is no real reason trying to " change " anything.... > > you write: > " Intellect is fully satisfied, > > intuition comes to an end. " > > intuition come to an end when intellect is satisfied...?... W: it seems that putting the " when " between to two sentences changes a little the focus, but it is just a play of light. one is not the cause of the other, they meet and find satisfaction/dissolution in nothingness. it is fine this sharing is happening under the subject: have a nice day! > > Marc > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " > > <bigwaaba@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is not clear for you ....ok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everything what is behind mind can't be > described.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > W: it cannot be described because it is nothing, this > > is > > > > > clear. > > > > > > > > > first things first. > > > > > > > > > is is so for you, Marc? > > > > > > > > > or in your view it cannot be described because of > > some > > > > > > reason? > > > > > > > > > or you think it has some features but they cannot > be > > > > > > described? > > > > > > > > > or do you think those features can be known but > not > > > > > > > communicated > > > > > > > > > through words? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi bigwaaba, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, true....maybe the only reason one try to > > > > > > > describe " truth " ....is > > > > > > > > ignorance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so you tell that what is behind mind is nothing....i > > mean, > > > > > > clearly > > > > > > > > nothing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounds clear....indeed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concerning your questions.... > > > > > > > > they look like only one question: " can there be > > description > > > > > (for > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > reason)....or not? " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no...there can't be description > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Marc, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realization of nothing leaves everything untouched > > > > > > > setting everything where it belongs > > > > > > > > > > > > " realization of nothing " ....?..... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes > > > > > no need to question it > > > > > it is nothing > > > > > what are you questioning? > > > > > > > > i have no idea what do you mean with : > > > > " realization of nothing leaves everything untouched > > > > > > > setting everything where it belongs " > > > > > > > > you could try to explain > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > you got it! you say " i have no idea " and that's it: nothing > > > realization of nothing is seeing that nothing is what is searched > > or > > > pointed to in the different names of God, Self, Nirvana, > > > Heaven,Enlightenment,... > > > when this is seen everything is seen to be in the right place, > > where > > > it belongs, without any need nor possibility nor desire to change > > > anything, it all remains untouched. Intellect is fully satisfied, > > > intuition comes to an end. > > > > first time i hear about this " realization of nothing " .....but > ok..... > > there seem to be infinite numbers > of " realizations " .....and " whatever " > > > > so you tell that in the " realization of nothing " ....there > > is " nothing " to searched for......?.... > > W: mm. of course it is hard to persuade a sane human being to go for > a quest for nothing! > > > > sounds relax...indeed.... > > > > > > you write: > > " it belongs, without any need nor possibility nor desire to change > > > anything, it all remains untouched. " > > > > yes....there is no real reason trying to " change " anything.... > > > > you write: > > " Intellect is fully satisfied, > > > intuition comes to an end. " > > > > intuition come to an end when intellect is satisfied...?... > > W: it seems that putting the " when " between to two sentences changes > a little the focus, but it is just a play of light. one is not the > cause of the other, they meet and find satisfaction/dissolution in > nothingness. > > it is fine this sharing is happening under the subject: have a nice > day! > > > > > Marc Hi bigwaaba, there is no quest for " nothing " ..... there is the nothingness which let one have a nice day..... even if there could be infinite numbers of unfulfilled quests.... Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 > > Hi bigwaaba, > > there is no quest for " nothing " ..... > > there is the nothingness which let one have a nice day..... > even if there could be infinite numbers of unfulfilled quests.... > > Marc > > > > > > yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 in the space of nothing, ther is everything and nothing! bigwaaba <bigwaaba wrote: Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " > <bigwaaba@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is not clear for you ....ok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everything what is behind mind can't be described.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > W: it cannot be described because it is nothing, this > is > > > > clear. > > > > > > > > first things first. > > > > > > > > is is so for you, Marc? > > > > > > > > or in your view it cannot be described because of > some > > > > > reason? > > > > > > > > or you think it has some features but they cannot be > > > > > described? > > > > > > > > or do you think those features can be known but not > > > > > > communicated > > > > > > > > through words? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi bigwaaba, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, true....maybe the only reason one try to > > > > > > describe " truth " ....is > > > > > > > ignorance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so you tell that what is behind mind is nothing....i > mean, > > > > > clearly > > > > > > > nothing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounds clear....indeed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > concerning your questions.... > > > > > > > they look like only one question: " can there be > description > > > > (for > > > > > > some > > > > > > > reason)....or not? " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no...there can't be description > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Marc, > > > > > > > > > > > > realization of nothing leaves everything untouched > > > > > > setting everything where it belongs > > > > > > > > > > " realization of nothing " ....?..... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes > > > > no need to question it > > > > it is nothing > > > > what are you questioning? > > > > > > i have no idea what do you mean with : > > > " realization of nothing leaves everything untouched > > > > > > setting everything where it belongs " > > > > > > you could try to explain > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > you got it! you say " i have no idea " and that's it: nothing > > realization of nothing is seeing that nothing is what is searched > or > > pointed to in the different names of God, Self, Nirvana, > > Heaven,Enlightenment,... > > when this is seen everything is seen to be in the right place, > where > > it belongs, without any need nor possibility nor desire to change > > anything, it all remains untouched. Intellect is fully satisfied, > > intuition comes to an end. > > first time i hear about this " realization of nothing " .....but ok..... > there seem to be infinite numbers of " realizations " .....and " whatever " > > so you tell that in the " realization of nothing " ....there > is " nothing " to searched for......?.... W: mm. of course it is hard to persuade a sane human being to go for a quest for nothing! > > sounds relax...indeed.... > > you write: > " it belongs, without any need nor possibility nor desire to change > > anything, it all remains untouched. " > > yes....there is no real reason trying to " change " anything.... > > you write: > " Intellect is fully satisfied, > > intuition comes to an end. " > > intuition come to an end when intellect is satisfied...?... W: it seems that putting the " when " between to two sentences changes a little the focus, but it is just a play of light. one is not the cause of the other, they meet and find satisfaction/dissolution in nothingness. it is fine this sharing is happening under the subject: have a nice day! > > Marc > > > > > > > ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 you got it! you say " i have no idea " and that's it: nothing realization of nothing is seeing that nothing is what is searched or pointed to in the different names of God, Self, Nirvana, Heaven,Enlightenment,... when this is seen everything is seen to be in the right place, where it belongs, without any need nor possibility nor desire to change anything, it all remains untouched. Intellect is fully satisfied, intuition comes to an end. L.E; Now that everything is in the right place, and there is no desire to change anything and it all remains untouched, etc., do you want to go out for pizza tonight? Did you flush the toilet? A burglar come into your house, your wife want a new dress, what Now? You have no desire to change anything, and your boy becomes a drug addict, what now? As all this nothing comes into play, what happens to all the somethings? When this takes place, what and who are you? Larry Epston www.epston.com ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > you got it! you say " i have no idea " and that's it: nothing > realization of nothing is seeing that nothing is what is searched or > pointed to in the different names of God, Self, Nirvana, > Heaven,Enlightenment,... > when this is seen everything is seen to be in the right place, where > it belongs, without any need nor possibility nor desire to change > anything, it all remains untouched. Intellect is fully satisfied, > intuition comes to an end. > > L.E; Now that everything is in the right place, and there is no desire to change anything and it all remains untouched, etc., do you want to go out for pizza tonight? Did you flush the toilet? A burglar come into your house, your wife want a new dress, what Now? You have no desire to change anything, and your boy becomes a drug addict, what now? > As all this nothing comes into play, what happens to all the somethings? W:only spontaneity ( hope it is the right spelling) comes into play. so there is no way of preparing a correct answer before the situation appears, and then the answer will be seen to appear as one with the situation, perfectly fitting. > When this takes place, what and who are you? W:it depends on what you think you are. > > Larry Epston > www.epston.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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