Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 I have no problem understanding and feeling that I am not my idea of whom I think I am ( race age job etc). I also have no problem not just understanding but feeling and knowing that I am consciousness( for lack of a better word). However, once I do not have a brain anymore were is my consciousness. When I am asleep were is my consciousness? Does Nisargadatta say anything about that? What do people here believe about this question? Thanks V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 Nisargadatta , LoveToSmile42 wrote: > > I have no problem understanding and feeling that I am not my idea of whom I > think I am ( race age job etc). I also have no problem not just understanding > but feeling and knowing that I am consciousness( for lack of a better > word). > However, once I do not have a brain anymore were is my consciousness. When I > am asleep were is my consciousness? Does Nisargadatta say anything about > that? What do people here believe about this question? Thanks > > V > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 --- toombaru2006 <lastrain a écrit : Nisargadatta , LoveToSmile42 wrote: > > I have no problem understanding and feeling that I am not my idea of whom I > think I am ( race age job etc). I also have no problem not just understanding > but feeling and knowing that I am consciousness( for lack of a better > word). > However, once I do not have a brain anymore were is my consciousness. When I > am asleep were is my consciousness? Does Nisargadatta say anything about > that? What do people here believe about this question? Thanks > > V > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Nisargadatta says that in order to die.....you would have to be born first. and....... " You are the child of a barren woman. " toombaru To your question, another question : What is consciousness? Nis. says that it is the product of food : There are goats, poeple, camembert and...consciousness. ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 --- LoveToSmile42 a écrit : I have no problem understanding and feeling that I am not my idea of whom I think I am ( race age job etc). I also have no problem not just understanding but feeling and knowing that I am consciousness( for lack of a better word). However, once I do not have a brain anymore were is my consciousness. When I am asleep were is my consciousness? Does Nisargadatta say anything about that? What do people here believe about this question? Thanks V Where does dust go after you wiped it off and shaked your duster out the window? it can go back to the Universe were it belongs or can reform a stubborn dust ball wandering where it goes after being shaken. Thanks for that radiant smile.. Patricia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > > > --- LoveToSmile42 a écrit : > > > > I have no problem understanding and feeling that I am > not my idea of whom I > think I am ( race age job etc). I also have no problem > not just understanding > but feeling and knowing that I am consciousness( for > lack of a better > word). > However, once I do not have a brain anymore were is my > consciousness. When I > am asleep were is my consciousness? Does Nisargadatta > say anything about > that? What do people here believe about this > question? Thanks > > V > > Where does dust go after you wiped it off and shaked > your duster out the window? > it can go back to the Universe were it belongs or can > reform a stubborn dust ball wandering where it goes > after being shaken. > Thanks for that radiant smile.. > Patricia. Namaste, Human Consciousness is part of the universal consciousness, which in turn is associated with Saguna Brahman. On dropping the body and Moksha the whole appearance including consciousness disappear in favour of NirGuna Brahman. This is AjatiVada or it never happened at all. It never was so has nowhere to go..........ONS..Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 Nisargadatta , LoveToSmile42 wrote: > > I have no problem understanding and feeling that I am not my idea of whom I > think I am ( race age job etc). I also have no problem not just understanding > but feeling and knowing that I am consciousness( for lack of a better > word). > However, once I do not have a brain anymore were is my consciousness. When I > am asleep were is my consciousness? Does Nisargadatta say anything about > that? What do people here believe about this question? Thanks > > V > well, now, having a brain and being awake, where is your consciousness? the answer has to be found while awake and alive for the only reason that when asleep or dead there is no question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 In a message dated 3/17/2006 2:14:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 21:53:52 +0100 (CET) OConnor Patricia <gdtige RE: Re: Consciousness dies? --- toombaru2006 <lastrain a écrit : Nisargadatta , LoveToSmile42 wrote: > > I have no problem understanding and feeling that I am not my idea of whom I > think I am ( race age job etc). I also have no problem not just understanding > but feeling and knowing that I am consciousness( for lack of a better > word). > However, once I do not have a brain anymore were is my consciousness. When I > am asleep were is my consciousness? Does Nisargadatta say anything about > that? What do people here believe about this question? Thanks > > V > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Nisargadatta says that in order to die.....you would have to be born first. and....... " You are the child of a barren woman. " toombaru To your question, another question : What is consciousness? Nis. says that it is the product of food : There are goats, poeple, camembert and...consciousness. No offense to Niz, but the concept of a human consciousness apart from the Absolute is silly and confusing. Food doesn't become conscious. Remove the focus of the Absolute on the human and it's nothing but a bag of minerals. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 In a message dated 3/17/2006 2:14:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 22:06:11 -0000 " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba Re: Consciousness dies? Nisargadatta , LoveToSmile42 wrote: > > I have no problem understanding and feeling that I am not my idea of whom I > think I am ( race age job etc). I also have no problem not just understanding > but feeling and knowing that I am consciousness( for lack of a better > word). > However, once I do not have a brain anymore were is my consciousness. When I > am asleep were is my consciousness? Does Nisargadatta say anything about > that? What do people here believe about this question? Thanks > > V > well, now, having a brain and being awake, where is your consciousness? the answer has to be found while awake and alive for the only reason that when asleep or dead there is no question. My answer to that question, though probly not aligned with the Niz teachings, is that there is no " your " consciousness, there's just the One Consciousness. Same as it is for others cause there are no 'others'. When the experiential vehicle sleeps, there is no experience, that's all. Consciousness never 'goes' anywhere. Consciousness doesn't have to experience in order to exist, it's still there keeping the body alive even while the brain sleeps. Sleep is a 'state' of enlightenment. 'You' just don't happen to be involved, and so there is no experience of it. You 'return' from it without any memory of it. Ever wonder why sleep is so rejuvinating? Enlightenment can do that to folks. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > > > --- toombaru2006 <lastrain a écrit : > > > > Nisargadatta , LoveToSmile42@ > wrote: > > > > I have no problem understanding and feeling that I > am not my idea of whom I > > think I am ( race age job etc). I also have no > problem not just understanding > > but feeling and knowing that I am consciousness( > for lack of a better > > word). > > However, once I do not have a brain anymore were is > my consciousness. When I > > am asleep were is my consciousness? Does > Nisargadatta say anything about > > that? What do people here believe about this > question? Thanks > > > > V > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > Nisargadatta says that in order to die.....you would > have to be born first. > > and....... " You are the child of a barren woman. " > > > > > toombaru > To your question, another question : > What is consciousness? > Nis. says that it is the product of food : > There are goats, people, camembert > and...consciousness. > > > > I do not remember him saying that. He says that your physicality is the rusult of the fluids from your parents. One has to question if consciousness (what ever that is) can be conscious of itself. Can it ever get a good look up its own skirt? Can thought (what ever that is) think about itself? There are no experts on this......It is a great mystery. Can you live in a mystery? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > > > --- toombaru2006 <lastrain a écrit : > > > > Nisargadatta , LoveToSmile42@ > wrote: > > > > I have no problem understanding and feeling that I > am not my idea of whom I > > think I am ( race age job etc). I also have no > problem not just understanding > > but feeling and knowing that I am consciousness( > for lack of a better > > word). > > However, once I do not have a brain anymore were is > my consciousness. It is not 'your' consciousness. LIFE flows through the mecahnism of the human brain....thoughts emerge......and congeal into a phantom like creature...which dances for a while in the dark.....spins out its alloted time...and then disappears....all within the vast unknowable mystery that is your true abode. When I > > am asleep were is my consciousness? Does > Nisargadatta say anything about > > that? The separate " I' of which you speak never existed. It is an illusion. toombaru What do people here believe about this > question? Thanks > > > > V > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba wrote: > > Nisargadatta , LoveToSmile42@ wrote: > > > > I have no problem understanding and feeling that I am not my idea > of whom I > > think I am ( race age job etc). I also have no problem not just > understanding > > but feeling and knowing that I am consciousness( for lack of a > better > > word). > > However, once I do not have a brain anymore were is my > consciousness. When I > > am asleep were is my consciousness? Does Nisargadatta say anything > about > > that? What do people here believe about this question? Thanks > > > > V > Nisargadatta encouraged people not to speak about what came through him in that smokey little room. He....and all sages speak to the moment....to the unique set if circumstances in that particular moment.... When people try to apply what he said years larte to an entirely different set of circumstances....they are, at best, using an old prescription for a general disease. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > > > --- LoveToSmile42 a écrit : > > > > I have no problem understanding and feeling that I am > not my idea of whom I > think I am ( race age job etc). I also have no problem > not just understanding > but feeling and knowing that I am consciousness( for > lack of a better > word). > However, once I do not have a brain anymore were is my > consciousness. When I > am asleep were is my consciousness? Does Nisargadatta > say anything about > that? What do people here believe about this > question? Thanks > > V > > Where does dust go after you wiped it off and shaked > your duster out the window? > it can go back to the Universe were it belongs or can > reform a stubborn dust ball wandering where it goes > after being shaken. > Thanks for that radiant smile.. > Patricia. ********* Or where does the music go if you destroy the disc upon which it was recorded? " Silver " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/17/2006 2:14:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Fri, 17 Mar 2006 21:53:52 +0100 (CET) > OConnor Patricia <gdtige > RE: Re: Consciousness dies? > > > --- toombaru2006 <lastrain a écrit : > > > > Nisargadatta , LoveToSmile42@ > wrote: > > > > I have no problem understanding and feeling that I > am not my idea of whom I > > think I am ( race age job etc). I also have no > problem not just understanding > > but feeling and knowing that I am consciousness( > for lack of a better > > word). > > However, once I do not have a brain anymore were is > my consciousness. When I > > am asleep were is my consciousness? Does > Nisargadatta say anything about > > that? What do people here believe about this > question? Thanks > > > > V > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > Nisargadatta says that in order to die.....you would > have to be born first. > > and....... " You are the child of a barren woman. " > > > > > toombaru > To your question, another question : > What is consciousness? > Nis. says that it is the product of food : > There are goats, poeple, camembert > and...consciousness. > > > > No offense to Niz, but the concept of a human consciousness apart from the > Absolute is silly and confusing. Food doesn't become conscious. Remove the > focus of the Absolute on the human and it's nothing but a bag of minerals. > > Phil *********** Or a hunk of hair and a bag of bones. " Silver " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 In a message dated 3/17/2006 8:58:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, ADHHUB writes: > My answer to that question, though probly not aligned with the Niz > teachings, is that there is no " your " consciousness, there's just the One > Consciousness. Same as it is for others cause there are no 'others'. When > the > experiential vehicle sleeps, there is no experience, that's all. > Consciousness never > 'goes' anywhere. Consciousness doesn't have to experience in order to > exist, > it's still there keeping the body alive even while the brain sleeps. > > Sleep is a 'state' of enlightenment. 'You' just don't happen to be > involved, > and so there is no experience of it. You 'return' from it without any > memory > of it. Ever wonder why sleep is so rejuvinating? Enlightenment can do that > to folks. > > Phil > > L.E: Not bad Phil. A little wordy but nice. Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 On Mar 18, 2006, at 12:04 AM, Nisargadatta wrote: >> >> I have no problem understanding and feeling that I > am not my idea of whom I >> think I am ( race age job etc). I also have no > problem not just understanding >> but feeling and knowing that I am consciousness( > for lack of a better >> word). >> However, once I do not have a brain anymore were is > my consciousness. When I >> am asleep were is my consciousness? Does > Nisargadatta say anything about >> that? What do people here believe about this > question? Thanks >> >> V >> >> Hi V, Nis, himself, in his last two books recognized that consciousness was just a function of the body, and that without the body there is no consciousness. As he was dying of cancer, he began considering consciousness as the root of misery, a blemish in the perfection of the absolute. For those who need the consolation to know that there is always consciousness at the end of the tunnel of death, the answer is yes, there is, but is not " Yours " is the generic consciousness every body is born with. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 > > When I > > > am asleep were is my consciousness? To the OP I say: Consciousness remains right here during sleep.. where else could it be? It isn't consciousness that disappears during sleep, it's the CONTENT of consciousness that disappears, i.e. thoughts, feelings and perception. You don't remember being conscious, because there was no content. But if there was no consciousness at all, then the period of sleep would seem to be absent, i.e. sleep would appear to be a zero-second, instantaneous transition between the last moment before the sleep and the first moment after. But that's not how it feels, does it? When we wake up, there is a sense of a peaceful and quiet interlude having passed. So consciousness didn't go anywhere.. > One has to question if consciousness (what ever that is) can be > conscious of itself. > > Can it ever get a good look up its own skirt? > > Can thought (what ever that is) think about itself? To Toombaru: Well, thought can reference itself, that much is clear. Thought has a word for itself and it's called " thought " . And what is thought other than reference? As for the possibility of consciousness being conscious of itself, THAT is a mighty interesting question. I don't really see a logical reason why it should be possible. It's like expecting an eye to see itself. On the other hand, Franklin Merrell-Wolff said that there is a 3rd way of knowing, in addition to the familiar perception and conception: knowledge through identity. This makes sense to me.. > There are no experts on this......It is a great mystery. > > Can you live in a mystery? It's hard, but do I have a choice? JASPER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " jasper.noid " <jasper.noid wrote: > > > > When I > > > > am asleep were is my consciousness? > > To the OP I say: Consciousness remains right here during sleep.. > where else could it be? It isn't consciousness that disappears during > sleep, it's the CONTENT of consciousness that disappears, i.e. > thoughts, feelings and perception. You don't remember being > conscious, because there was no content. But if there was no > consciousness at all, then the period of sleep would seem to be > absent, i.e. sleep would appear to be a zero-second, instantaneous > transition between the last moment before the sleep and the first > moment after. But that's not how it feels, does it? When we wake up, > there is a sense of a peaceful and quiet interlude having passed. So > consciousness didn't go anywhere.. > > > One has to question if consciousness (what ever that is) can be > > conscious of itself. > > > > Can it ever get a good look up its own skirt? > > > > Can thought (what ever that is) think about itself? > > To Toombaru: Well, thought can reference itself, that much is clear. > Thought has a word for itself and it's called " thought " . And what is > thought other than reference? As for the possibility of consciousness > being conscious of itself, THAT is a mighty interesting question. I > don't really see a logical reason why it should be possible. It's > like expecting an eye to see itself. On the other hand, Franklin > Merrell-Wolff said that there is a 3rd way of knowing, in addition to > the familiar perception and conception: knowledge through identity. > This makes sense to me.. > > > There are no experts on this......It is a great mystery. > > > > Can you live in a mystery? > > It's hard, but do I have a choice? > > JASPER > Right on Jasper. Consciousness IS period. As to the dogmatic statement, " then the period of sleep would seem to be > absent, i.e. sleep would appear to be a zero-second, instantaneous > transition between the last moment before the sleep and the first > moment after. But that's not how it feels, does it? " This is quite true of ordinary recuperative sleep of the body/mind, as a matter of fact I just awoke from a most wonderful nap, and indeed there is a knowledge of the passage of time in so far as feeling tone of the organism is concerened. However, this proposition fails in entirety when considering other qualia of sleep. I have had laser-implant surgery two times for cataracts. At the time, I was given an injection while in the operating theater and was talking to the nurse at the moment of said injection. Whatever the anaesthetic drug was, (perhaps similar to what has been called the date rape drug GHB), the feeling tone upon being aroused some 20 -30 minutes after the dosage was given, was one of absolute unawareness of ANY time passage whatsoever. As a matter of fact, I remember asking the nurse, looking up from the gurney I was laying upon, as to when I would be operated on, vicerally feeling and consciously thinking and believing that our conversation was NEVER interrupted!That 20-30 minute period was and is to this day, and most probably for all time will remain, a zero- second and lost period of time for the personal man. The first time, when having the first cataract removed and new lens implanted,when I experienced this loss in time/space period, I was in total disbelief and felt a strange type of fear. How could this have been. How could I have an unretrievable experience of my living time? And yet it was so! It was again a condition that occured the second time, some two years later when the other eye's lens was replaced. This too is a weird sensation: the statement, " my eye's lens " . I guess the thought goes like this: I possess an attribute of body,the body possess an eye, the eye possesses a lens, the lens possesses a cataract...and the problem of order of course,taken in reverse: from the spontaeous void-like quark vacua through to the nanostructures of life through to cellular formation, through to anatomical structures through to the conscious man, becomes almost a ludicrous proposition when taken as a truism of any sort.. What at the end of that order would be the possessor of the conscious man? Being that no nessecity of an " arrow of time " nor order of construction(as stipulated as necessarily delmiting and constricting features in structures of physics or biological theory), is inherent within that logical order or linguistic architecture, this question is not a whimsical query. It is in fact when mathematically considered an inescapable law of complimentary. Yet the only end point to that reversal of order would be THAT which is the UNPOSSESED, UNDIFFERENTIATED WHOLE which contains all but for which no container nor quality nor time arrow nor position in spacetime nor constricting law nor possessor obtains.No thought can be given nor in fact even BE as to the nature of THAT. THAT is not of thought. THAT is not of time. That is not of space. That is not of form. THAT is not of law. THAT IS THAT! And that is amazing. And for our puny attempts at definition or cogitation....pure lunacy. IT is wonderful and it will forever remain, as you have so succinctly said,a MYSTERY. Pure and choiceless. Good stuff there! .....bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 In a message dated 3/18/2006 9:31:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 02:28:30 -0000 " toombaru2006 " <lastrain Re: Consciousness dies? Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > > > --- toombaru2006 <lastrain a écrit : > > > > Nisargadatta , LoveToSmile42@ > wrote: > > > > I have no problem understanding and feeling that I > am not my idea of whom I > > think I am ( race age job etc). I also have no > problem not just understanding > > but feeling and knowing that I am consciousness( > for lack of a better > > word). > > However, once I do not have a brain anymore were is > my consciousness. When I > > am asleep were is my consciousness? Does > Nisargadatta say anything about > > that? What do people here believe about this > question? Thanks > > > > V > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > Nisargadatta says that in order to die.....you would > have to be born first. > > and....... " You are the child of a barren woman. " > > > > > toombaru > To your question, another question : > What is consciousness? > Nis. says that it is the product of food : > There are goats, people, camembert > and...consciousness. > > > > I do not remember him saying that. He says that your physicality is the rusult of the fluids from your parents. One has to question if consciousness (what ever that is) can be conscious of itself. Can it ever get a good look up its own skirt? Can thought (what ever that is) think about itself? There are no experts on this......It is a great mystery. Can you live in a mystery? toombaru I don't see the point in inventing mystery where there is none. The mind can only think sequentially, and so the best it can do is ponder a thought that just occurred, which it will conveniently find stored in memory. (Even a computer geek knows how that's done.) As far as consciousness being conscious of itself, I assume you're already conscious of the fact that you are conscious. This is, of course, an experience of consciousness rather than the knowing of what you are. Knowing what one is, is not an experience since the experience subjectively dissolves into the experiencer, but as long as the experiential vehicle remains, consciousness may return it's focus to the vehicle and formulate an objective experience of Self, though conceptualizing such a knowing will not really be possible, and certainly not necessary. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 In a message dated 3/19/2006 2:19:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, lissbon2002 writes: > Nis, himself, in his last two books recognized that > >consciousness was just a function of the body, > >and that without the body there is no consciousness. > > > >As he was dying of cancer, he began considering > >consciousness as the root of misery, a blemish in > >the perfection of the absolute. L.E: The idea that there is a blemish in the perfection of the absolute is an essential contradiction, and not true. If he really said it, he was mistaken. Perhaps he was referring to self-talking, a part of our ego, that part of the mind that sometimes won't shut up. Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 In a message dated 3/19/2006 2:44:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, lissbon2002 writes: > Perhaps he was fed up with suffering and reacted it off on > consciousness. > > Len L.E: Perhaps he was fed up with his own ignorance to bring throat cancer to his body by smoking. Not knowing your self as the Self is one kind of ignorance, a lifetime of smoking is another. Perhaps he didn't have the first, but he sure did have the last. Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 In a message dated 3/19/2006 3:07:30 PM Pacific Standard Time, lissbon2002 writes: > Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > > >In a message dated 3/19/2006 2:44:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, > >lissbon2002 writes: > > > >>Perhaps he was fed up with suffering and reacted it off on > >>consciousness. > >> > >>Len > > > >L.E: Perhaps he was fed up with his own ignorance to bring throat > cancer to > >his body by smoking. Not knowing your self as the Self is one > kind of > >ignorance, > >a lifetime of smoking is another. Perhaps he didn't have the > first, but he > >sure did > >have the last. > > > >Larry Epston > > > Addiction is usually a sign of psychological trouble, so maybe he > had both. > > Len > > L.E: Probably. Larry E. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5 wrote: > > > On Mar 18, 2006, at 12:04 AM, Nisargadatta wrote: > > >> > >> I have no problem understanding and feeling that I > > am not my idea of whom I > >> think I am ( race age job etc). I also have no > > problem not just understanding > >> but feeling and knowing that I am consciousness( > > for lack of a better > >> word). > >> However, once I do not have a brain anymore were is > > my consciousness. When I > >> am asleep were is my consciousness? Does > > Nisargadatta say anything about > >> that? What do people here believe about this > > question? Thanks > >> > >> V > >> > >> > > Hi V, > > Nis, himself, in his last two books recognized that > consciousness was just a function of the body, > and that without the body there is no consciousness. > > As he was dying of cancer, he began considering > consciousness as the root of misery, a blemish in > the perfection of the absolute. For those who need > the consolation to know that there is always > consciousness at the end of the tunnel of death, > the answer is yes, there is, but is not " Yours " is > the generic consciousness every body is born with. > > Pete Good to know. Finally no doubt. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 3/19/2006 2:19:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, > lissbon2002 writes: > > > Nis, himself, in his last two books recognized that > > >consciousness was just a function of the body, > > >and that without the body there is no consciousness. > > > > > >As he was dying of cancer, he began considering > > >consciousness as the root of misery, a blemish in > > >the perfection of the absolute. > > L.E: The idea that there is a blemish in the perfection of the absolute is an > essential contradiction, and not true. If he really said it, he was > mistaken. Perhaps he was referring to self-talking, a part of our ego, that part of > the mind that sometimes won't shut up. > > Larry Epston Perhaps he was fed up with suffering and reacted it off on consciousness. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 3/19/2006 2:44:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, > lissbon2002 writes: > > > Perhaps he was fed up with suffering and reacted it off on > > consciousness. > > > > Len > > L.E: Perhaps he was fed up with his own ignorance to bring throat cancer to > his body by smoking. Not knowing your self as the Self is one kind of > ignorance, > a lifetime of smoking is another. Perhaps he didn't have the first, but he > sure did > have the last. > > Larry Epston Addiction is usually a sign of psychological trouble, so maybe he had both. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5 wrote: > > > On Mar 18, 2006, at 12:04 AM, Nisargadatta wrote: > > >> > >> I have no problem understanding and feeling that I > > am not my idea of whom I > >> think I am ( race age job etc). I also have no > > problem not just understanding > >> but feeling and knowing that I am consciousness( > > for lack of a better > >> word). > >> However, once I do not have a brain anymore were is > > my consciousness. When I > >> am asleep were is my consciousness? Does > > Nisargadatta say anything about > >> that? What do people here believe about this > > question? Thanks > >> > >> V > >> > >> > > Hi V, > > Nis, himself, in his last two books recognized that > consciousness was just a function of the body, > and that without the body there is no consciousness. > > As he was dying of cancer, he began considering > consciousness as the root of misery, a blemish in > the perfection of the absolute. For those who need > the consolation to know that there is always > consciousness at the end of the tunnel of death, > the answer is yes, there is, but is not " Yours " is > the generic consciousness every body is born with. > > Pete ***************** How comforting. Did someone come back from the dead to confirm this for you? " Silver " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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