Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 [...] > > It is my *observation* that 'wanting' > > things 'for the future' with the CLEAR > > *realization* that they are desired 'in > > the future' and not now... doesn't make > > one unhappy! > > > Interesting. > I´m questioning it though. > I´ll tell you about what happened to me once. > I was in love :-) > Desperately. > But somewhere I knew that this love was impossible. > I was dreaming about how much I wanted to be with the person, in > some near future. Not in the very moment, the very moment was OK > like it was, but in the near future, one day, when I´m still not too > old to enjoy I wanted to be with the person. > And then I realized that it was really impossible. That it really > didn´t make sense to think about it, because it would never be. I > realized that I had to give up the hope. (think of " You´re > beautiful " of James Blunt ;-) > And then I felt so deeply unhappy. > Afterwards something interesting happened, but I might tell you > later. > Now just this, to show that losing hope for a positive change in the > future can make one unhappy. > What do you say? > > Len > Yes... Hopelessness can indeed feel dark, heavy and painful! But, it is my experience that hopelessness doesn't come because of merely wanting, desiring or wishing! Wanting, desires, wishes, dreams many time arise spontaneously... on their own! Just like bee... gets pulled by an open flower... And, when wanting and desires do arise on their own [it is my experience that]... they create absolutely no pain, no bondage and no suffering! It is the natural free expression of *nature* of the *life force*, of the *creative energy* and when they arise they simply arise as the *truth* of the moment! And, it is my experience that the *truth*, understanding of truth and alignment with truth doesn't create pain! What creates pain is either *non acceptance* of the truth, *resistance to the truth* and even more frequently the *confusion* that arises from not clearly seeing and understanding the whole of the truth! Truth by itself is as it is and it my experience that whenever there is clear understanding and full acceptance of it, it creates no [mental] pain! Hopelessness hurts because it is not a real natural truth! Hopelessness hurts because it is a lie! And, it is my experience that whenever I *force* myself to believe a lie - it hurts! It hurts because, it splits me. It hurts because, maybe, internally, I still have doubts - I still know I don't really know if it is true! Cont... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming wrote: > > [...] > > > > It is my *observation* that 'wanting' > > > things 'for the future' with the CLEAR > > > *realization* that they are desired 'in > > > the future' and not now... doesn't make > > > one unhappy! > > > > > > Interesting. > > I´m questioning it though. > > I´ll tell you about what happened to me once. > > I was in love :-) > > Desperately. > > But somewhere I knew that this love was impossible. > > I was dreaming about how much I wanted to be with the person, in > > some near future. Not in the very moment, the very moment was OK > > like it was, but in the near future, one day, when I´m still not > too > > old to enjoy I wanted to be with the person. > > And then I realized that it was really impossible. That it really > > didn´t make sense to think about it, because it would never be. I > > realized that I had to give up the hope. (think of " You´re > > beautiful " of James Blunt ;-) > > And then I felt so deeply unhappy. > > Afterwards something interesting happened, but I might tell you > > later. > > Now just this, to show that losing hope for a positive change in > the > > future can make one unhappy. > > What do you say? > > > > Len > > > > [...] When I want a girl... I just want a girl... When I like a girl... I just like a girl... When I am attracted to a girl... I am just attracted to her... That is the *truth* of the moment! This is natural *attraction* that has risen in me... But, the thought that 'I need that girl in my life'... is often just an elaborate mind creation... The thought that 'I need that girl in order to be happy'... is often just an elaborate mind creation... Truth is that... I am happy Right Now... attracted to her, pulled by her beauty, her charm... Truth is that I am happy now... with just this *desire*, this *warmth* in me... The thought that I will need this girl 10 hours from now or 2 days from now or 2 years from now or twenty years now... is often just an elaborate mind fiction... Reality is that I don't know what I will want or need or like 2 years from now! And, whenever I try to *force* such a made up *story* on myself – I often get split – it often hurts! It is true that I am *attracted* to her now but only this much is true and only this much I really know! As long as I stay with only this, I rarely get hurt! Cont... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming@> > wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > > It is my *observation* that 'wanting' > > > > things 'for the future' with the CLEAR > > > > *realization* that they are desired 'in > > > > the future' and not now... doesn't make > > > > one unhappy! > > > > > > > > > Interesting. > > > I´m questioning it though. > > > I´ll tell you about what happened to me once. > > > I was in love :-) > > > Desperately. > > > But somewhere I knew that this love was impossible. > > > I was dreaming about how much I wanted to be with the person, in > > > some near future. Not in the very moment, the very moment was OK > > > like it was, but in the near future, one day, when I´m still not > > too > > > old to enjoy I wanted to be with the person. > > > And then I realized that it was really impossible. That it > really > > > didn´t make sense to think about it, because it would never be. > I > > > realized that I had to give up the hope. (think of " You´re > > > beautiful " of James Blunt ;-) > > > And then I felt so deeply unhappy. > > > Afterwards something interesting happened, but I might tell you > > > later. > > > Now just this, to show that losing hope for a positive change in > > the > > > future can make one unhappy. > > > What do you say? > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > [...] > Another *lie* arises when I try to *think for others*! I know, *I like her*! But, I don't really know if she likes me! And, truth is that I will NEVER really know whether she likes me or not!!!! No matter what she says, no matter how many times she says it and no matter what she does! I can make thousand guess but, I will never know for sure... Deep in my heart, even I know it! I too know that I can't really know what and how this girl feels! My *unknowingness* of her feeling is my truth and as long as I stay with this *true* *unknowingness* - it doesn't hurt! I know, I like her... and, this is al I really know... The moment I step into this *petal splitting* business of *she like me* and *she likes me not* - it is bound to hurt! It will hurt - because, it will always remain a *made up* lie! Deep in my heart, I too know that I can't really know her real feelings! ....and, any attempt I make to *pretend* to know what I too know *I don't really know* I am *forcing* myself into a lie... Cont... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming wrote: > > [...] > > > > It is my *observation* that 'wanting' > > > things 'for the future' with the CLEAR > > > *realization* that they are desired 'in > > > the future' and not now... doesn't make > > > one unhappy! > > > > > > Interesting. > > I´m questioning it though. > > I´ll tell you about what happened to me once. > > I was in love :-) > > Desperately. > > But somewhere I knew that this love was impossible. > > I was dreaming about how much I wanted to be with the person, in > > some near future. Not in the very moment, the very moment was OK > > like it was, but in the near future, one day, when I´m still not > too > > old to enjoy I wanted to be with the person. > > And then I realized that it was really impossible. That it really > > didn´t make sense to think about it, because it would never be. I > > realized that I had to give up the hope. (think of " You´re > > beautiful " of James Blunt ;-) > > And then I felt so deeply unhappy. > > Afterwards something interesting happened, but I might tell you > > later. > > Now just this, to show that losing hope for a positive change in > the > > future can make one unhappy. > > What do you say? > > > > Len > > > > > Yes... > > Hopelessness can indeed feel dark, > heavy and painful! > > But, it is my experience that > hopelessness doesn't come because of > merely wanting, desiring or wishing! > > Wanting, desires, wishes, dreams many > time arise spontaneously... on their > own! Just like bee... gets pulled by an > open flower... > > And, when wanting and desires do arise > on their own [it is my experience > that]... they create absolutely no > pain, no bondage and no suffering! > > It is the natural free expression of > *nature* of the *life force*, of the > *creative energy* and when they arise > they simply arise as the *truth* of the > moment! > > And, it is my experience that the > *truth*, understanding of truth and > alignment with truth doesn't create > pain! What creates pain is either *non > acceptance* of the truth, *resistance > to the truth* and even more frequently > the *confusion* that arises from not > clearly seeing and understanding the > whole of the truth! > > Truth by itself is as it is and it my > experience that whenever there is clear > understanding and full acceptance of > it, it creates no [mental] pain! > > Hopelessness hurts because it is > not a real natural truth! > > Hopelessness hurts because it is > a lie! > > And, it is my experience that > whenever I *force* myself to believe > a lie - it hurts! > > It hurts because, it splits me. It hurts > because, maybe, internally, I still have > doubts - I still know I don't really know > if it is true! > > > Cont... Interesting. But you're not very clear: what do you mean by truth and lie in the context of desire and hopelessness? practically. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming wrote: >> When I want a girl... I just want a > girl... > > When I like a girl... I just like a > girl... > > When I am attracted to a girl... I am > just attracted to her... > > > That is the *truth* of the moment! > > This is natural *attraction* that has > risen in me... > > > But, the thought that 'I need that > girl in my life'... is often just an > elaborate mind creation... > > The thought that 'I need that > girl in order to be happy'... is often > just an elaborate mind creation... Yes, this is also my experience. Can I ask you though: HOW do you discover about it? Is it just thinking? Or is it something else? > Truth is that... I am happy Right > Now... attracted to her, pulled by her > beauty, her charm... > > Truth is that I am happy now... with > just this *desire*, this *warmth* in > me... Yes. And now you go home and wish she was with you in bed. She isn't and also the idea that she will be tomorrow doesn't sound probable (you met her on a plane, and you don't know her name or address). How do you feel? Maybe sad and not so happy? > The thought that I will need this girl > 10 hours from now or 2 days from now or > 2 years from now or twenty years now... > is often just an elaborate mind > fiction... > > Reality is that I don't know what I > will want or need or like 2 years from > now! > > And, whenever I try to *force* such a > made up *story* on myself – I often get > split – it often hurts! Yes, it hurts. So you're not happy at that moment? You suffer from an unfullfilled desire? How does it end? > It is true that I am *attracted* to her > now but only this much is true and > only this much I really know! > > As long as I stay with only this, > I rarely get hurt! So you say that you just see how thought creates hurt and this makes it stop? Are you sure there is no suppression in this? (I'm not saying there is, just asking) Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 i was sure the topic of the sexy girl would have appeared this day. now i am curious to see how Arvind-Shiva will get out of the trap! Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming@> > wrote: > > > >> When I want a girl... I just want a > > girl... > > > > When I like a girl... I just like a > > girl... > > > > When I am attracted to a girl... I am > > just attracted to her... > > > > > > That is the *truth* of the moment! > > > > This is natural *attraction* that has > > risen in me... > > > > > > But, the thought that 'I need that > > girl in my life'... is often just an > > elaborate mind creation... > > > > The thought that 'I need that > > girl in order to be happy'... is often > > just an elaborate mind creation... > > > > > > Yes, this is also my experience. > Can I ask you though: HOW do you discover about it? > Is it just thinking? Or is it something else? > > > > > > > Truth is that... I am happy Right > > Now... attracted to her, pulled by her > > beauty, her charm... > > > > Truth is that I am happy now... with > > just this *desire*, this *warmth* in > > me... > > > > > Yes. > And now you go home and wish she was with you in bed. > She isn't and also the idea that she will be tomorrow doesn't sound > probable (you met her on a plane, and you don't know her name or > address). How do you feel? Maybe sad and not so happy? > The thought that I will need this girl > > 10 hours from now or 2 days from now or > > 2 years from now or twenty years now... > > is often just an elaborate mind > > fiction... > > > > Reality is that I don't know what I > > will want or need or like 2 years from > > now! > > > > And, whenever I try to *force* such a > > made up *story* on myself – I often get > > split – it often hurts! > > > > > Yes, it hurts. So you're not happy at that moment? You suffer from an > unfullfilled desire? How does it end? > > > > > > > It is true that I am *attracted* to her > > now but only this much is true and > > only this much I really know! > > > > As long as I stay with only this, > > I rarely get hurt! > > > > > So you say that you just see how thought creates hurt and this makes > it stop? Are you sure there is no suppression in this? (I'm not > saying there is, just asking) > > Len > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba wrote: > > > > i was sure the topic of the sexy girl would have appeared this day. > now i am curious to see how Arvind-Shiva will get out of the trap! What trap? Sexy girls are great :-) Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > > > > > i was sure the topic of the sexy girl would have appeared this day. > > now i am curious to see how Arvind-Shiva will get out of the trap! > > > What trap? Sexy girls are great :-) > > Len > and many! just switch on the television Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > i was sure the topic of the sexy girl would have appeared this day. > > > now i am curious to see how Arvind-Shiva will get out of the trap! > > > > > > What trap? Sexy girls are great :-) > > > > Len > > > and many! just switch on the television This I did already. My problem is now to switch it off. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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