Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming@> > > wrote: > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > It is my *observation* that 'wanting' > > > > > things 'for the future' with the CLEAR > > > > > *realization* that they are desired 'in > > > > > the future' and not now... doesn't make > > > > > one unhappy! > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting. > > > > I´m questioning it though. > > > > I´ll tell you about what happened to me once. > > > > I was in love :-) > > > > Desperately. > > > > But somewhere I knew that this love was impossible. > > > > I was dreaming about how much I wanted to be with the person, > in > > > > some near future. Not in the very moment, the very moment was > OK > > > > like it was, but in the near future, one day, when I´m still > not > > > too > > > > old to enjoy I wanted to be with the person. > > > > And then I realized that it was really impossible. That it > > really > > > > didn´t make sense to think about it, because it would never > be. > > I > > > > realized that I had to give up the hope. (think of " You´re > > > > beautiful " of James Blunt ;-) > > > > And then I felt so deeply unhappy. > > > > Afterwards something interesting happened, but I might tell > you > > > > later. > > > > Now just this, to show that losing hope for a positive change > in > > > the > > > > future can make one unhappy. > > > > What do you say? > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [...] > > .... In reality, If I truly knew that I can't get something - I can not even *truly* desire it! I can have *fantasies* about it - but, I too will know that my fantasies are not *serious*, I am playing them just for *fun* and I am *enjoying* them right now - creating them - dreaming them! My *enjoyment* of them is not really *waiting* for their fulfillment [which even I am not *wanting* for or *counting* for) - I am enjoying them right now - making them! These are the *sand castle* that I am building just because I *enjoy* building it - and, I am not really planning to live in these sand castles! I don't need to - I am just happy building and breaking them! It is my experience that the moment I truly believed that the object of my desire is impossible - I stop having *serious* desires about it - my desires either naturally drops away or it simply becomes FUN fantasy that I play just for *enjoying* it! And, I am enjoying it *Now* and I am not really *waiting* for it to become true! The pain only comes when I don't FULLY know it and I try to make endless *guesses* about what I really don't know! It hurts because I keep having many doubts about my *guesses* and it splits me internally! It hurts because it often it divides myself into two parts - one that says yeas and one that says no - and, this often creates a *war* within! In other cases, I face pain when I try to *hold onto* a *falling* desire! Truth is that the desire *naturally* starts *falling* once the object of desire is seen *impossible* - it simply starts falling - without making any efforts! You can observe it and see it yourself... But, when I try to *cling* to this falling desires which is now *naturally* falling because of the impossibility of the object - I create a STRUGGLE! I create a struggle between the natural Flow - and, my mind! And, that struggle splits me and creates Pain! .... Otherwise humans are *naturally* smart to not desire that which they TRULY know is impossible! What creates Pain is either: ---- *pretending* to know that which can not be really know – how other *feels*, what will be the ultimate results, What I can not live without 4 years from now... ----- or, Forcing *lies* by making story much bigger than what it is! For example, forcing the *moment* truth of *oh, this girl is adorable*, *oh, I like this girl a lot* into... I need this girl in order to be happy! Reality is that I am happy now and I like this girl! My happiness is there even before attraction has risen! This attraction is an expression of my creative outward flow and my fullness... It is not really due to some lack inside! ---- or, fighting with the natural flow and trying to *cling* to something such as an 'expired' desire which is now naturally falling – because, *natural* desire real rarely stays *out of sync* with Reality! When the Reality changes so does the *real* desire! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming wrote: > > ... > > In reality, If I truly knew that I > can't get something - I can not even > *truly* desire it! > > I can have *fantasies* about it - but, > I too will know that my fantasies are > not *serious*, I am playing them just > for *fun* and I am *enjoying* them > right now - creating them - dreaming > them! > > My *enjoyment* of them is not really > *waiting* for their fulfillment [which > even I am not *wanting* for or > *counting* for) - I am enjoying them > right now - making them! > > These are the *sand castle* that I am > building just because I *enjoy* > building it - and, I am not really > planning to live in these sand castles! > I don't need to - I am just happy > building and breaking them! > It is my experience that the moment I > truly believed that the object of my > desire is impossible - I stop having > *serious* desires about it - my desires > either naturally drops away or it > simply becomes FUN fantasy that I play > just for *enjoying* it! And, I am > enjoying it *Now* and I am not really > *waiting* for it to become true! > > The pain only comes when I don't FULLY > know it and I try to make endless > *guesses* about what I really don't > know! It hurts because I keep having > many doubts about my *guesses* and it > splits me internally! It hurts because > it often it divides myself into two > parts - one that says yeas and one that > says no - and, this often creates a > *war* within! OK. But even if you know you cannot get something, you may keep desiring something else, no matter what, which you think would provide you with the same feeling. For instance, you know you cannot get this girl, but you still wish for a girl like her. > In other cases, I face pain when I try > to *hold onto* a *falling* desire! > > Truth is that the desire *naturally* > starts *falling* once the object of > desire is seen *impossible* - it simply > starts falling - without making any > efforts! You can observe it and see it > yourself... Again, the object might be impossible, but there are billions of other possible objects which could do. Do you stop desiring them all? Or does the game of desiring start again and again? > But, when I try to *cling* to this > falling desires which is now > *naturally* falling because of the > impossibility of the object - I create > a STRUGGLE! I create a struggle between > the natural Flow - and, my mind! And, > that struggle splits me and creates Pain! This is true. Without clinging, no pain. But does it mean that you stop clinging? My question is: can you really be pain free through seeing the impossibility of desire or do you have to go through the pain? In my experience going through the pain is often necessary and it seems the only way to be free of some desire, for good. Not of all desires, just of some desire for some specific kind of satisfaction, which after having dealt with pain, appears to be futile. But not before, in my case. I always had to pay a price. Len > Otherwise humans are *naturally* > smart to not desire that which > they TRULY know is impossible! > > What creates Pain is either: > > ---- *pretending* to know that which > can not be really know – how other > *feels*, what will be the ultimate > results, What I can not live without > 4 years from now... > > > ----- or, Forcing *lies* by making story > much bigger than what it is! For example, > forcing the *moment* truth of *oh, this > girl is adorable*, *oh, I like this girl a lot* > into... I need this girl in order to be happy! > > Reality is that I am happy now and > I like this girl! My happiness is there > even before attraction has risen! This > attraction is an expression of my creative > outward flow and my fullness... > > It is not really due to some lack inside! > > > > ---- or, fighting with the natural flow > and trying to *cling* to something such > as an 'expired' desire which is now > naturally falling – because, *natural* > desire real rarely stays *out of sync* with > Reality! When the Reality changes so > does the *real* desire! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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