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In a message dated 3/17/2006 12:37:16 PM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:04:10 -0000

" toombaru2006 " <lastrain

Re: What's Your Faith?

 

Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069

wrote:

>

> What do people here tell someone who asks them what faith they are?

> It happened to me today and I didn't know what to say.

>

> " Silver "

>

 

 

Tell them that you don;t believe anything.

 

 

toombaru

 

 

 

Noooo, if you do that, they'll try to save you. :(

 

Phil

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 3/18/2006 12:09:38 AM Pacific Standard Time,

silver-1069 writes:

 

> You two crack me up. But I think I'll go with what Toomb said: I

> don't have faith in anything or anyone. I have no beliefs. I

> accept certain things and don't accept other things. I adhere to

> the Witch's Rede: 'An it harm none, do as ye wilt.'

>

> " Silver "

>

 

L.E: They seemed to ask about your FAITH, not your faith.

They wanted the brand name of your religion. You can also say you are a

mystic, or non-dual realist. or a universal visionary, or God's Joker, or " I am

the incarnation the Christ, do you want to ask another question? "

 

Larry Epston

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-

1069 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 3/17/2006 2:14:00 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> > Nisargadatta writes:

> >

> > Fri, 17 Mar 2006 21:48:10 +0100 (CET)

> > OConnor Patricia <gdtige@>

> > Re: What's Your Faith?

> >

> >

> > --- ADHHUB@ a écrit :

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 3/17/2006 1:53:55 AM Pacific

> > Standard Time,

> > Nisargadatta writes:

> >

> > Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:24:12 -0000

> > " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069@>

> > What's Your Faith?

> >

> > What do people here tell someone who asks them what

> > faith they are?

> > It happened to me today and I didn't know what to

> > say.

> >

> > " Silver "

> >

> >

> >

> > If ya tell em " Satanism " , they usually leave ya alone.

> > :)

> >

> > Phil

> > It doesn`t look like Silever wants to be left alone.

> > Tell them you beleive in French cooking.

> > Patricia

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Well he should. Folks who ask that question either wanna judge

you

> or save

> > you. :)~

>

> ************

>

> The lady who asked me what faith I was said she was a born again

> Catholic. I should have asked her if she had two belly buttons.

> Lol. I bet once she realized that she couldn't save me, she judged

> me.

>

> " Silver "

>

 

was she sexy?

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In a message dated 3/18/2006 5:26:32 AM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

Sat, 18 Mar 2006 08:19:37 -0000

" s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069

Re: What's Your Faith?

 

--- In Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 3/17/2006 2:14:00 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> Nisargadatta writes:

>

> Fri, 17 Mar 2006 21:48:10 +0100 (CET)

> OConnor Patricia <gdtige

> Re: What's Your Faith?

>

>

> --- ADHHUB a écrit :

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 3/17/2006 1:53:55 AM Pacific

> Standard Time,

> Nisargadatta writes:

>

> Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:24:12 -0000

> " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069

> What's Your Faith?

>

> What do people here tell someone who asks them what

> faith they are?

> It happened to me today and I didn't know what to

> say.

>

> " Silver "

>

>

>

> If ya tell em " Satanism " , they usually leave ya alone.

> :)

>

> Phil

> It doesn`t look like Silever wants to be left alone.

> Tell them you beleive in French cooking.

> Patricia

Well he should. Folks who ask that question either wanna judge you

or save

> you. :)~

 

************

 

The lady who asked me what faith I was said she was a born again

Catholic. I should have asked her if she had two belly buttons.

Lol. I bet once she realized that she couldn't save me, she judged

me.

 

" Silver "

 

 

 

Hehe.

Well, you can be sure she prayed for you, at least. :)

 

Phil

 

 

 

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The lady who asked me what faith I was said she was a born again

Catholic. I should have asked her if she had two belly

buttons.

 

 

>

> >>Lol. I bet once she realized that she couldn't save me, she

> judged

> >>me.

> >>

> >> " Silver "

> >>

> >

> >was she sexy?

> >

>

> In a message dated 3/19/2006 5:29:46 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> anabebe57 writes:

>

> not necessarily, sometimes I ask 'cause I'm curious,

> and yes I am sexy ;-)

>

> love,

> Ana

>

L.E: Is that something you only think about yourself or something other

people say about you? Or, would anyone agree with you outside of yourself,? So

to

speak.

Also, when someone is " sexy. " What exactly are they?

 

Larry

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-

> 1069@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 3/17/2006 2:14:00 PM Pacific Standard

Time,

> > > Nisargadatta writes:

> > >

> > > Fri, 17 Mar 2006 21:48:10 +0100 (CET)

> > > OConnor Patricia <gdtige@>

> > > Re: What's Your Faith?

> > >

> > >

> > > --- ADHHUB@ a écrit :

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 3/17/2006 1:53:55 AM Pacific

> > > Standard Time,

> > > Nisargadatta writes:

> > >

> > > Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:24:12 -0000

> > > " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069@>

> > > What's Your Faith?

> > >

> > > What do people here tell someone who asks them what

> > > faith they are?

> > > It happened to me today and I didn't know what to

> > > say.

> > >

> > > " Silver "

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > If ya tell em " Satanism " , they usually leave ya alone.

> > > :)

> > >

> > > Phil

> > > It doesn`t look like Silever wants to be left alone.

> > > Tell them you beleive in French cooking.

> > > Patricia

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Well he should. Folks who ask that question either wanna judge

> you

> > or save

> > > you. :)~

> >

> > ************

> >

> > The lady who asked me what faith I was said she was a born again

> > Catholic. I should have asked her if she had two belly

buttons.

> > Lol. I bet once she realized that she couldn't save me, she

judged

> > me.

> >

> > " Silver "

> >

>

> was she sexy?

>

 

 

 

not necessarily, sometimes I ask 'cause I'm curious,

and yes I am sexy ;-)

 

love,

Ana

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Nisargadatta , epston wrote:

>

> The lady who asked me what faith I was said she was a born again

> Catholic. I should have asked her if she had two belly

> buttons.

>

>

> >

> > >>Lol. I bet once she realized that she couldn't save me, she

> > judged

> > >>me.

> > >>

> > >> " Silver "

> > >>

> > >

> > >was she sexy?

> > >

> >

> > In a message dated 3/19/2006 5:29:46 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> > anabebe57 writes:

> >

> > not necessarily, sometimes I ask 'cause I'm curious,

> > and yes I am sexy ;-)

> >

> > love,

> > Ana

> >

> L.E: Is that something you only think about yourself or something

other

> people say about you? Or, would anyone agree with you outside of

yourself,? So to

> speak.

> Also, when someone is " sexy. " What exactly are they?

 

 

W: it is a social input. there are many " sexy " , according to

different groups.

so there is not an exact description....mmm, just like enlightenment!

 

 

 

> Larry

 

 

>

>

>

>

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Every sexy girl is more or less a new challenge to distribute one's

genes :)

 

Werner

 

 

Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote:

> >

> > The lady who asked me what faith I was said she was a born again

> > Catholic. I should have asked her if she had two belly

> > buttons.

> >

> >

> > >

> > > >>Lol. I bet once she realized that she couldn't save me, she

> > > judged

> > > >>me.

> > > >>

> > > >> " Silver "

> > > >>

> > > >

> > > >was she sexy?

> > > >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 3/19/2006 5:29:46 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> > > anabebe57@ writes:

> > >

> > > not necessarily, sometimes I ask 'cause I'm curious,

> > > and yes I am sexy ;-)

> > >

> > > love,

> > > Ana

> > >

> > L.E: Is that something you only think about yourself or something

> other

> > people say about you? Or, would anyone agree with you outside of

> yourself,? So to

> > speak.

> > Also, when someone is " sexy. " What exactly are they?

>

>

> W: it is a social input. there are many " sexy " , according to

> different groups.

> so there is not an exact description....mmm, just like

enlightenment!

>

>

>

> > Larry

>

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

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In a message dated 3/19/2006 2:24:36 PM Pacific Standard Time,

lissbon2002 writes:

 

> >W: it is a social input. there are many " sexy " , according to

> >different groups.

> >so there is not an exact description....mmm, just like

> enlightenment!

>

>

> Sexy is what makes you horny.

> mmm, just like enlightenment!

>

> Len

 

L.E: Enlightenment doesn't make you anything at all.

That's why it's enlightenment.

 

Larry Epston

 

 

 

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In a message dated 3/19/2006 2:40:12 PM Pacific Standard Time,

lissbon2002 writes:

 

> L.E: Enlightenment doesn't make you anything at all.

> >That's why it's enlightenment.

> >

> >Larry Epston

>

>

> Enlightenment is your precious dream.

>

> Len

>

 

L.E: Actually, I'm not very concerned with it.

My R.V. engine is missing and backfiring.

Hope they can fix it tomorrow.

Pray for me.

 

Larry Epston

 

 

 

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In a message dated 3/19/2006 3:03:51 PM Pacific Standard Time,

lissbon2002 writes:

 

> L.E: Actually, I'm not very concerned with it.

> >My R.V. engine is missing and backfiring.

> >Hope they can fix it tomorrow.

> >Pray for me.

> >

> >Larry Epston

>

>

> I did. It´s in the pocket.

>

> Len

>

>

L.E: Oh no! Not the pocket. I sent those pants to the cleaners.

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote:

> >

> > The lady who asked me what faith I was said she was a born again

> > Catholic. I should have asked her if she had two belly

> > buttons.

> >

> >

> > >

> > > >>Lol. I bet once she realized that she couldn't save me, she

> > > judged

> > > >>me.

> > > >>

> > > >> " Silver "

> > > >>

> > > >

> > > >was she sexy?

> > > >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 3/19/2006 5:29:46 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> > > anabebe57@ writes:

> > >

> > > not necessarily, sometimes I ask 'cause I'm curious,

> > > and yes I am sexy ;-)

> > >

> > > love,

> > > Ana

> > >

> > L.E: Is that something you only think about yourself or

something

> other

> > people say about you? Or, would anyone agree with you outside

of

> yourself,? So to

> > speak.

> > Also, when someone is " sexy. " What exactly are they?

>

>

> W: it is a social input. there are many " sexy " , according to

> different groups.

> so there is not an exact description....mmm, just like

enlightenment!

 

 

Sexy is what makes you horny.

mmm, just like enlightenment!

 

Len

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Nisargadatta , epston wrote:

>

> In a message dated 3/19/2006 2:24:36 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> lissbon2002 writes:

>

> > >W: it is a social input. there are many " sexy " , according to

> > >different groups.

> > >so there is not an exact description....mmm, just like

> > enlightenment!

> >

> >

> > Sexy is what makes you horny.

> > mmm, just like enlightenment!

> >

> > Len

>

> L.E: Enlightenment doesn't make you anything at all.

> That's why it's enlightenment.

>

> Larry Epston

 

 

Enlightenment is your precious dream.

 

Len

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Nisargadatta , epston wrote:

>

> In a message dated 3/19/2006 2:40:12 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> lissbon2002 writes:

>

> > L.E: Enlightenment doesn't make you anything at all.

> > >That's why it's enlightenment.

> > >

> > >Larry Epston

> >

> >

> > Enlightenment is your precious dream.

> >

> > Len

> >

>

> L.E: Actually, I'm not very concerned with it.

> My R.V. engine is missing and backfiring.

> Hope they can fix it tomorrow.

> Pray for me.

>

> Larry Epston

 

 

I did. It´s in the pocket.

 

Len

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Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote:

>

> Every sexy girl is more or less a new challenge to distribute one's

> genes :)

>

> Werner

 

***************

 

If Nature thought you were good enough to be born, why can't you get

laid?

 

" Silver "

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In a message dated 3/20/2006 1:22:22 AM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

Mon, 20 Mar 2006 08:21:15 -0000

" s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069

Re: What's Your Faith?

 

--- In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote:

>

 

> Every sexy girl is more or less a new challenge to distribute one's

> genes :)

>

> Werner

 

***************

 

If Nature thought you were good enough to be born, why can't you get

laid?

 

" Silver "

 

 

 

Nature sometimes makes mistakes, but seldom repeats them. :)

 

Phil

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 3/20/2006 7:50:59 PM Pacific Standard Time,

lastrain writes:

 

> Nature never makes a mistake.

>

>

> toombaru

>

 

L.E; I agree with toombaru. Especially when a tital wave drowns thousands of

people. Let's just call that a small correction. If you never make a

mistake, does that mean you always do it on purpose?

 

Larry

 

 

 

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--- s_i_l_v_e_r1069 <silver-1069 a

écrit :

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr "

<wwoehr wrote:

>

> Every sexy girl is more or less a new challenge to

distribute one's

> genes :)

>

> Werner

 

LOL, you are the nightmare of romance.!

Patricia

 

***************

 

If Nature thought you were good enough to be born, why

can't you get

laid?

 

" Silver "

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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--- anabebe57 <anabebe57 a écrit :

 

 

>

> What do people here tell someone who asks them what

faith they

are?

> It happened to me today and I didn't know what to

say.

>

> " Silver "

>

>

>

> If ya tell em " Satanism " , they usually leave ya

alone. :)

>

> Phil

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

>

 

 

LOL

 

Satan????

(anyone remember Dana Carvey on SNL;-)

 

satan rocks & rolls....

originally called Lucifer, the Lightbringer

 

anyone know who made him fall from grace?

 

hmmm?

 

Ana

 

the very desire to keep the light for himself.

That is the cause of fall as far as I understand.

Patricia

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 3/20/2006 1:22:22 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> Nisargadatta writes:

>

> Mon, 20 Mar 2006 08:21:15 -0000

> " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069

> Re: What's Your Faith?

>

> --- In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> >

>

> > Every sexy girl is more or less a new challenge to distribute one's

> > genes :)

> >

> > Werner

>

> ***************

>

> If Nature thought you were good enough to be born, why can't you get

> laid?

>

> " Silver "

>

>

>

> Nature sometimes makes mistakes, but seldom repeats them. :)

>

> Phil

>

>

 

Nature never makes a mistake.

 

 

toombaru

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In a message dated 3/21/2006 9:38:54 AM Pacific Standard Time,

Nisargadatta writes:

 

Tue, 21 Mar 2006 03:50:28 -0000

" toombaru2006 " <lastrain

Re: What's Your Faith?

 

Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 3/20/2006 1:22:22 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> Nisargadatta writes:

>

> Mon, 20 Mar 2006 08:21:15 -0000

> " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069

> Re: What's Your Faith?

>

> --- In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> >

>

> > Every sexy girl is more or less a new challenge to distribute one's

> > genes :)

> >

> > Werner

>

> ***************

>

> If Nature thought you were good enough to be born, why can't you get

> laid?

>

> " Silver "

>

>

>

> Nature sometimes makes mistakes, but seldom repeats them. :)

>

> Phil

>

>

 

Nature never makes a mistake.

 

 

toombaru

 

 

 

It was a joke, but I know how you hate those.

However, the imperfection of nature is essential to it's perfection.

Evolution would not seemingly occur without it. There's a lesson there for us

illusory humans too, since we're a part of it.

 

Phil

 

 

 

 

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what do you call perfect nature?

 

unborn unknown buddha-mind,

AND

mother nature...

 

ah, so...;-)

 

Love,

Ana

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 3/21/2006 9:38:54 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> Nisargadatta writes:

>

> Tue, 21 Mar 2006 03:50:28 -0000

> " toombaru2006 " <lastrain

> Re: What's Your Faith?

>

> Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 3/20/2006 1:22:22 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> > Nisargadatta writes:

> >

> > Mon, 20 Mar 2006 08:21:15 -0000

> > " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069@>

> > Re: What's Your Faith?

> >

> > --- In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

wrote:

> > >

> >

> > > Every sexy girl is more or less a new challenge to distribute

one's

> > > genes :)

> > >

> > > Werner

> >

> > ***************

> >

> > If Nature thought you were good enough to be born, why can't

you get

> > laid?

> >

> > " Silver "

> >

> >

> >

> > Nature sometimes makes mistakes, but seldom repeats them. :)

> >

> > Phil

> >

> >

>

> Nature never makes a mistake.

>

>

> toombaru

>

>

>

> It was a joke, but I know how you hate those.

> However, the imperfection of nature is essential to it's

perfection.

> Evolution would not seemingly occur without it. There's a lesson

there for us

> illusory humans too, since we're a part of it.

>

> Phil

>

>

>

>

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Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 3/21/2006 9:38:54 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> Nisargadatta writes:

>

> Tue, 21 Mar 2006 03:50:28 -0000

> " toombaru2006 " <lastrain

> Re: What's Your Faith?

>

> Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 3/20/2006 1:22:22 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> > Nisargadatta writes:

> >

> > Mon, 20 Mar 2006 08:21:15 -0000

> > " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069@>

> > Re: What's Your Faith?

> >

> > --- In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

wrote:

> > >

> >

> > > Every sexy girl is more or less a new challenge to

distribute one's

> > > genes :)

> > >

> > > Werner

> >

> > ***************

> >

> > If Nature thought you were good enough to be born, why can't

you get

> > laid?

> >

> > " Silver "

> >

> >

> >

> > Nature sometimes makes mistakes, but seldom repeats them. :)

> >

> > Phil

> >

> >

>

> Nature never makes a mistake.

>

>

> toombaru

>

>

>

> It was a joke, but I know how you hate those.

> However, the imperfection of nature is essential to it's

perfection.

> Evolution would not seemingly occur without it. There's a lesson

there for us

> illusory humans too, since we're a part of it.

>

> Phil

 

***************

 

Let's assume Toomb did not misunderstand your statement. Let us

suppose, rather, that he chose to take it seriously instead. Let's

forget, for a moment, the fact that you meant it as an indirect

insult to Werner. Let us put aside the humour for just a bit and

look at the deeper meaning of your statement. Why don't we,

instead, view it as a serious commentary on Nature? Does it make

mistakes or not?

 

Really. Give me a break. If we took Phil's statement to mean

exactly and literally what it says, he would have us believe that

Nature does indeed make mistakes and that it only makes the same

mistake once. Never twice. Not the same one. It continually makes

a series of new mistakes.

 

If that were so, then the question arises wether or not these

mistakes generate improvement in Nature. Is Evolution a progressive

process or is it a regressive one?

 

Is it not both? Is Evolution not both creative and destructive in

nature?

 

We observe that the nature of the universe is dual. We experience

it as a place in space-time in which light and dark, up and down,

hot and cold, positive and negative, etcetera, can coexist. As far

as our physical senses can tell, there is no other reality.

 

However, intelligence tells us more than our senses do. It tells us

that a non-Aristotelian world exists. A world in which everything

is connected together to form a whole. A place which is no place.

A time in which there is no time. A vision in which all is One.

 

Can both worlds exist at the same time and in the same place?

 

It seems so.

 

And where do these worlds exist? Where are they?

 

They are in the mind. They have being in the mind only.

 

And what is the mind?

 

The mind is a bundle of memory impressions that thinks it is real .

And because it thinks this, that is why it gives credence to its own

creations. It thinks the world is real because it thinks itself

real.

 

How did the mind become conscious? How did it become self-conscious?

 

If the world exists in the mind and I am a mind who thinks it is

real, then the world is in me. I am not in the world.

 

That would mean that space-time, also, is in me.

 

Everything would be in me if I were the mind I took myself to be.

 

But what if I did not take myself to be what I think I am? What

would I be?

 

Difficult if not impossible to answer. I wouldn't be anything I

could think of.

 

What is that? What is being nothing I can think of?

 

Think about that for a sec. Pretty bizarre, huh?

 

" Silver "

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Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-

1069 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 3/21/2006 9:38:54 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> > Nisargadatta writes:

> >

> > Tue, 21 Mar 2006 03:50:28 -0000

> > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> > Re: What's Your Faith?

> >

> > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 3/20/2006 1:22:22 AM Pacific Standard

Time,

> > > Nisargadatta writes:

> > >

> > > Mon, 20 Mar 2006 08:21:15 -0000

> > > " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069@>

> > > Re: What's Your Faith?

> > >

> > > --- In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr "

<wwoehr@>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Every sexy girl is more or less a new challenge to

> distribute one's

> > > > genes :)

> > > >

> > > > Werner

> > >

> > > ***************

> > >

> > > If Nature thought you were good enough to be born, why can't

> you get

> > > laid?

> > >

> > > " Silver "

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Nature sometimes makes mistakes, but seldom repeats them. :)

> > >

> > > Phil

> > >

> > >

> >

> > Nature never makes a mistake.

> >

> >

> > toombaru

> >

> >

> >

> > It was a joke, but I know how you hate those.

> > However, the imperfection of nature is essential to it's

> perfection.

> > Evolution would not seemingly occur without it. There's a lesson

> there for us

> > illusory humans too, since we're a part of it.

> >

> > Phil

>

> ***************

>

> Let's assume Toomb did not misunderstand your statement. Let us

> suppose, rather, that he chose to take it seriously instead. Let's

> forget, for a moment, the fact that you meant it as an indirect

> insult to Werner. Let us put aside the humour for just a bit and

> look at the deeper meaning of your statement. Why don't we,

> instead, view it as a serious commentary on Nature? Does it make

> mistakes or not?

>

> Really. Give me a break. If we took Phil's statement to mean

> exactly and literally what it says, he would have us believe that

> Nature does indeed make mistakes and that it only makes the same

> mistake once. Never twice. Not the same one. It continually

makes

> a series of new mistakes.

>

> If that were so, then the question arises wether or not these

> mistakes generate improvement in Nature. Is Evolution a

progressive

> process or is it a regressive one?

>

> Is it not both? Is Evolution not both creative and destructive in

> nature?

>

> We observe that the nature of the universe is dual. We experience

> it as a place in space-time in which light and dark, up and down,

> hot and cold, positive and negative, etcetera, can coexist. As far

> as our physical senses can tell, there is no other reality.

>

> However, intelligence tells us more than our senses do. It tells

us

> that a non-Aristotelian world exists. A world in which everything

> is connected together to form a whole. A place which is no place.

> A time in which there is no time. A vision in which all is One.

>

> Can both worlds exist at the same time and in the same place?

>

> It seems so.

>

> And where do these worlds exist? Where are they?

>

> They are in the mind. They have being in the mind only.

>

> And what is the mind?

>

> The mind is a bundle of memory impressions that thinks it is

real .

> And because it thinks this, that is why it gives credence to its

own

> creations. It thinks the world is real because it thinks itself

> real.

>

> How did the mind become conscious? How did it become self-

conscious?

>

> If the world exists in the mind and I am a mind who thinks it is

> real, then the world is in me. I am not in the world.

>

> That would mean that space-time, also, is in me.

>

> Everything would be in me if I were the mind I took myself to be.

>

> But what if I did not take myself to be what I think I am? What

> would I be?

>

> Difficult if not impossible to answer. I wouldn't be anything I

> could think of.

>

> What is that? What is being nothing I can think of?

>

> Think about that for a sec. Pretty bizarre, huh?

>

> " Silver "

>

I can't think about it. Where is that place and when is that time?

That second to think in that place of locality in that named thing

spacetime? Forthwith are a few thoughts.But lo! Some may be humorous.

I'll try not to laugh.

 

One of the extraordinary things about human events is that the

unthinkable becomes thinkable. "

Salman Rushdie

 

" MAGNITUDE, n. Size. Magnitude being purely relative, nothing

is large and nothing small. If everything in the universe were

increased in bulk one thousand diameters nothing would be any larger

than it was before, but if one thing remain unchanged all the others

would be larger than they had been. To an understanding familiar with

the relativity of magnitude and distance the spaces and masses of the

astronomer would be no more impressive than those of the

microscopist. For anything we know to the contrary, the visible

universe may be a small part of an atom, with its component ions,

floating in the life- fluid (luminiferous ether) of some animal.

Possibly the wee creatures peopling the corpuscles of our own blood

are overcome with the proper emotion when contemplating the

unthinkable distance from one of these to another. "

Ambrose Bierce

 

" We have no choice but to be guilty. God is unthinkable if we

are innocent. "

Archibald MacLeish

 

" A graphic representation of data abstracted from the banks of every

computer in the human system. Unthinkable complexity. Lines of light

ranged in the nonspace of the mind, clusters and constellations of

data. Like city lights, receding. "

William Gibson

 

" We must dare to think about unthinkable things because when

things become unthinkable, thinking stops and action becomes

mindless. "

J. William Fulbright

 

I agree it's bizarre. But we should not assume. We should not

suppose. We should not forget nor should we deduce others' meanings

or intent without due consideration and consultation.

giving you a break I hope......bob

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wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-

> 1069@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 3/21/2006 9:38:54 AM Pacific Standard

Time,

> > > Nisargadatta writes:

> > >

> > > Tue, 21 Mar 2006 03:50:28 -0000

> > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> > > Re: What's Your Faith?

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > In a message dated 3/20/2006 1:22:22 AM Pacific Standard

> Time,

> > > > Nisargadatta writes:

> > > >

> > > > Mon, 20 Mar 2006 08:21:15 -0000

> > > > " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069@>

> > > > Re: What's Your Faith?

> > > >

> > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr "

> <wwoehr@>

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Every sexy girl is more or less a new challenge to

> > distribute one's

> > > > > genes :)

> > > > >

> > > > > Werner

> > > >

> > > > ***************

> > > >

> > > > If Nature thought you were good enough to be born, why

can't

> > you get

> > > > laid?

> > > >

> > > > " Silver "

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Nature sometimes makes mistakes, but seldom repeats them. :)

> > > >

> > > > Phil

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > Nature never makes a mistake.

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > It was a joke, but I know how you hate those.

> > > However, the imperfection of nature is essential to it's

> > perfection.

> > > Evolution would not seemingly occur without it. There's a

lesson

> > there for us

> > > illusory humans too, since we're a part of it.

> > >

> > > Phil

> >

> > ***************

> >

> > Let's assume Toomb did not misunderstand your statement. Let us

> > suppose, rather, that he chose to take it seriously instead.

Let's

> > forget, for a moment, the fact that you meant it as an indirect

> > insult to Werner. Let us put aside the humour for just a bit

and

> > look at the deeper meaning of your statement. Why don't we,

> > instead, view it as a serious commentary on Nature? Does it

make

> > mistakes or not?

> >

> > Really. Give me a break. If we took Phil's statement to mean

> > exactly and literally what it says, he would have us believe

that

> > Nature does indeed make mistakes and that it only makes the same

> > mistake once. Never twice. Not the same one. It continually

> makes

> > a series of new mistakes.

> >

> > If that were so, then the question arises wether or not these

> > mistakes generate improvement in Nature. Is Evolution a

> progressive

> > process or is it a regressive one?

> >

> > Is it not both? Is Evolution not both creative and destructive

in

> > nature?

> >

> > We observe that the nature of the universe is dual. We

experience

> > it as a place in space-time in which light and dark, up and

down,

> > hot and cold, positive and negative, etcetera, can coexist. As

far

> > as our physical senses can tell, there is no other reality.

> >

> > However, intelligence tells us more than our senses do. It

tells

> us

> > that a non-Aristotelian world exists. A world in which

everything

> > is connected together to form a whole. A place which is no

place.

> > A time in which there is no time. A vision in which all is

One.

> >

> > Can both worlds exist at the same time and in the same place?

> >

> > It seems so.

> >

> > And where do these worlds exist? Where are they?

> >

> > They are in the mind. They have being in the mind only.

> >

> > And what is the mind?

> >

> > The mind is a bundle of memory impressions that thinks it is

> real .

> > And because it thinks this, that is why it gives credence to its

> own

> > creations. It thinks the world is real because it thinks itself

> > real.

> >

> > How did the mind become conscious? How did it become self-

> conscious?

> >

> > If the world exists in the mind and I am a mind who thinks it is

> > real, then the world is in me. I am not in the world.

> >

> > That would mean that space-time, also, is in me.

> >

> > Everything would be in me if I were the mind I took myself to be.

> >

> > But what if I did not take myself to be what I think I am? What

> > would I be?

> >

> > Difficult if not impossible to answer. I wouldn't be anything I

> > could think of.

> >

> > What is that? What is being nothing I can think of?

> >

> > Think about that for a sec. Pretty bizarre, huh?

> >

> > " Silver "

> >

> I can't think about it. Where is that place and when is that time?

> That second to think in that place of locality in that named thing

> spacetime? Forthwith are a few thoughts.But lo! Some may be

humorous.

> I'll try not to laugh.

>

> One of the extraordinary things about human events is that the

> unthinkable becomes thinkable. "

> Salman Rushdie

>

> " MAGNITUDE, n. Size. Magnitude being purely relative,

nothing

> is large and nothing small. If everything in the universe were

> increased in bulk one thousand diameters nothing would be any

larger

> than it was before, but if one thing remain unchanged all the

others

> would be larger than they had been. To an understanding familiar

with

> the relativity of magnitude and distance the spaces and masses of

the

> astronomer would be no more impressive than those of the

> microscopist. For anything we know to the contrary, the visible

> universe may be a small part of an atom, with its component ions,

> floating in the life- fluid (luminiferous ether) of some animal.

> Possibly the wee creatures peopling the corpuscles of our own

blood

> are overcome with the proper emotion when contemplating the

> unthinkable distance from one of these to another. "

> Ambrose Bierce

>

> " We have no choice but to be guilty. God is unthinkable if

we

> are innocent. "

> Archibald MacLeish

>

> " A graphic representation of data abstracted from the banks of

every

> computer in the human system. Unthinkable complexity. Lines of

light

> ranged in the nonspace of the mind, clusters and constellations of

> data. Like city lights, receding. "

> William Gibson

>

> " We must dare to think about unthinkable things because when

> things become unthinkable, thinking stops and action becomes

> mindless. "

> J. William Fulbright

>

> I agree it's bizarre. But we should not assume. We should not

> suppose. We should not forget nor should we deduce others'

meanings

> or intent without due consideration and consultation.

> giving you a break I hope......bob

 

****************

 

Alright, true. But did you pick up on the error I deliberately

planted in what I wrote? I'm curious if Phil will.

 

" Silver "

>

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