Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 In a message dated 3/17/2006 12:37:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:04:10 -0000 " toombaru2006 " <lastrain Re: What's Your Faith? Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069 wrote: > > What do people here tell someone who asks them what faith they are? > It happened to me today and I didn't know what to say. > > " Silver " > Tell them that you don;t believe anything. toombaru Noooo, if you do that, they'll try to save you. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 In a message dated 3/18/2006 12:09:38 AM Pacific Standard Time, silver-1069 writes: > You two crack me up. But I think I'll go with what Toomb said: I > don't have faith in anything or anyone. I have no beliefs. I > accept certain things and don't accept other things. I adhere to > the Witch's Rede: 'An it harm none, do as ye wilt.' > > " Silver " > L.E: They seemed to ask about your FAITH, not your faith. They wanted the brand name of your religion. You can also say you are a mystic, or non-dual realist. or a universal visionary, or God's Joker, or " I am the incarnation the Christ, do you want to ask another question? " Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver- 1069 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 3/17/2006 2:14:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > Fri, 17 Mar 2006 21:48:10 +0100 (CET) > > OConnor Patricia <gdtige@> > > Re: What's Your Faith? > > > > > > --- ADHHUB@ a écrit : > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/17/2006 1:53:55 AM Pacific > > Standard Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:24:12 -0000 > > " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069@> > > What's Your Faith? > > > > What do people here tell someone who asks them what > > faith they are? > > It happened to me today and I didn't know what to > > say. > > > > " Silver " > > > > > > > > If ya tell em " Satanism " , they usually leave ya alone. > > > > > > Phil > > It doesn`t look like Silever wants to be left alone. > > Tell them you beleive in French cooking. > > Patricia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well he should. Folks who ask that question either wanna judge you > or save > > you. ~ > > ************ > > The lady who asked me what faith I was said she was a born again > Catholic. I should have asked her if she had two belly buttons. > Lol. I bet once she realized that she couldn't save me, she judged > me. > > " Silver " > was she sexy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 In a message dated 3/18/2006 5:26:32 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 08:19:37 -0000 " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069 Re: What's Your Faith? --- In Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/17/2006 2:14:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Fri, 17 Mar 2006 21:48:10 +0100 (CET) > OConnor Patricia <gdtige > Re: What's Your Faith? > > > --- ADHHUB a écrit : > > > > > In a message dated 3/17/2006 1:53:55 AM Pacific > Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:24:12 -0000 > " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069 > What's Your Faith? > > What do people here tell someone who asks them what > faith they are? > It happened to me today and I didn't know what to > say. > > " Silver " > > > > If ya tell em " Satanism " , they usually leave ya alone. > > > Phil > It doesn`t look like Silever wants to be left alone. > Tell them you beleive in French cooking. > Patricia Well he should. Folks who ask that question either wanna judge you or save > you. ~ ************ The lady who asked me what faith I was said she was a born again Catholic. I should have asked her if she had two belly buttons. Lol. I bet once she realized that she couldn't save me, she judged me. " Silver " Hehe. Well, you can be sure she prayed for you, at least. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 The lady who asked me what faith I was said she was a born again Catholic. I should have asked her if she had two belly buttons. > > >>Lol. I bet once she realized that she couldn't save me, she > judged > >>me. > >> > >> " Silver " > >> > > > >was she sexy? > > > > In a message dated 3/19/2006 5:29:46 AM Pacific Standard Time, > anabebe57 writes: > > not necessarily, sometimes I ask 'cause I'm curious, > and yes I am sexy ;-) > > love, > Ana > L.E: Is that something you only think about yourself or something other people say about you? Or, would anyone agree with you outside of yourself,? So to speak. Also, when someone is " sexy. " What exactly are they? Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver- > 1069@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/17/2006 2:14:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > Fri, 17 Mar 2006 21:48:10 +0100 (CET) > > > OConnor Patricia <gdtige@> > > > Re: What's Your Faith? > > > > > > > > > --- ADHHUB@ a écrit : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/17/2006 1:53:55 AM Pacific > > > Standard Time, > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:24:12 -0000 > > > " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069@> > > > What's Your Faith? > > > > > > What do people here tell someone who asks them what > > > faith they are? > > > It happened to me today and I didn't know what to > > > say. > > > > > > " Silver " > > > > > > > > > > > > If ya tell em " Satanism " , they usually leave ya alone. > > > > > > > > > Phil > > > It doesn`t look like Silever wants to be left alone. > > > Tell them you beleive in French cooking. > > > Patricia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well he should. Folks who ask that question either wanna judge > you > > or save > > > you. ~ > > > > ************ > > > > The lady who asked me what faith I was said she was a born again > > Catholic. I should have asked her if she had two belly buttons. > > Lol. I bet once she realized that she couldn't save me, she judged > > me. > > > > " Silver " > > > > was she sexy? > not necessarily, sometimes I ask 'cause I'm curious, and yes I am sexy ;-) love, Ana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > The lady who asked me what faith I was said she was a born again > Catholic. I should have asked her if she had two belly > buttons. > > > > > > >>Lol. I bet once she realized that she couldn't save me, she > > judged > > >>me. > > >> > > >> " Silver " > > >> > > > > > >was she sexy? > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/19/2006 5:29:46 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > anabebe57 writes: > > > > not necessarily, sometimes I ask 'cause I'm curious, > > and yes I am sexy ;-) > > > > love, > > Ana > > > L.E: Is that something you only think about yourself or something other > people say about you? Or, would anyone agree with you outside of yourself,? So to > speak. > Also, when someone is " sexy. " What exactly are they? W: it is a social input. there are many " sexy " , according to different groups. so there is not an exact description....mmm, just like enlightenment! > Larry > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Every sexy girl is more or less a new challenge to distribute one's genes Werner Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba wrote: > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > The lady who asked me what faith I was said she was a born again > > Catholic. I should have asked her if she had two belly > > buttons. > > > > > > > > > > >>Lol. I bet once she realized that she couldn't save me, she > > > judged > > > >>me. > > > >> > > > >> " Silver " > > > >> > > > > > > > >was she sexy? > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/19/2006 5:29:46 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > > anabebe57@ writes: > > > > > > not necessarily, sometimes I ask 'cause I'm curious, > > > and yes I am sexy ;-) > > > > > > love, > > > Ana > > > > > L.E: Is that something you only think about yourself or something > other > > people say about you? Or, would anyone agree with you outside of > yourself,? So to > > speak. > > Also, when someone is " sexy. " What exactly are they? > > > W: it is a social input. there are many " sexy " , according to > different groups. > so there is not an exact description....mmm, just like enlightenment! > > > > > Larry > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 In a message dated 3/19/2006 2:24:36 PM Pacific Standard Time, lissbon2002 writes: > >W: it is a social input. there are many " sexy " , according to > >different groups. > >so there is not an exact description....mmm, just like > enlightenment! > > > Sexy is what makes you horny. > mmm, just like enlightenment! > > Len L.E: Enlightenment doesn't make you anything at all. That's why it's enlightenment. Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 In a message dated 3/19/2006 2:40:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, lissbon2002 writes: > L.E: Enlightenment doesn't make you anything at all. > >That's why it's enlightenment. > > > >Larry Epston > > > Enlightenment is your precious dream. > > Len > L.E: Actually, I'm not very concerned with it. My R.V. engine is missing and backfiring. Hope they can fix it tomorrow. Pray for me. Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 In a message dated 3/19/2006 3:03:51 PM Pacific Standard Time, lissbon2002 writes: > L.E: Actually, I'm not very concerned with it. > >My R.V. engine is missing and backfiring. > >Hope they can fix it tomorrow. > >Pray for me. > > > >Larry Epston > > > I did. It´s in the pocket. > > Len > > L.E: Oh no! Not the pocket. I sent those pants to the cleaners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba wrote: > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > The lady who asked me what faith I was said she was a born again > > Catholic. I should have asked her if she had two belly > > buttons. > > > > > > > > > > >>Lol. I bet once she realized that she couldn't save me, she > > > judged > > > >>me. > > > >> > > > >> " Silver " > > > >> > > > > > > > >was she sexy? > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/19/2006 5:29:46 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > > anabebe57@ writes: > > > > > > not necessarily, sometimes I ask 'cause I'm curious, > > > and yes I am sexy ;-) > > > > > > love, > > > Ana > > > > > L.E: Is that something you only think about yourself or something > other > > people say about you? Or, would anyone agree with you outside of > yourself,? So to > > speak. > > Also, when someone is " sexy. " What exactly are they? > > > W: it is a social input. there are many " sexy " , according to > different groups. > so there is not an exact description....mmm, just like enlightenment! Sexy is what makes you horny. mmm, just like enlightenment! Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 3/19/2006 2:24:36 PM Pacific Standard Time, > lissbon2002 writes: > > > >W: it is a social input. there are many " sexy " , according to > > >different groups. > > >so there is not an exact description....mmm, just like > > enlightenment! > > > > > > Sexy is what makes you horny. > > mmm, just like enlightenment! > > > > Len > > L.E: Enlightenment doesn't make you anything at all. > That's why it's enlightenment. > > Larry Epston Enlightenment is your precious dream. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 3/19/2006 2:40:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, > lissbon2002 writes: > > > L.E: Enlightenment doesn't make you anything at all. > > >That's why it's enlightenment. > > > > > >Larry Epston > > > > > > Enlightenment is your precious dream. > > > > Len > > > > L.E: Actually, I'm not very concerned with it. > My R.V. engine is missing and backfiring. > Hope they can fix it tomorrow. > Pray for me. > > Larry Epston I did. It´s in the pocket. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Every sexy girl is more or less a new challenge to distribute one's > genes > > Werner *************** If Nature thought you were good enough to be born, why can't you get laid? " Silver " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 In a message dated 3/20/2006 1:22:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 08:21:15 -0000 " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069 Re: What's Your Faith? --- In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Every sexy girl is more or less a new challenge to distribute one's > genes > > Werner *************** If Nature thought you were good enough to be born, why can't you get laid? " Silver " Nature sometimes makes mistakes, but seldom repeats them. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 In a message dated 3/20/2006 7:50:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, lastrain writes: > Nature never makes a mistake. > > > toombaru > L.E; I agree with toombaru. Especially when a tital wave drowns thousands of people. Let's just call that a small correction. If you never make a mistake, does that mean you always do it on purpose? Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 --- s_i_l_v_e_r1069 <silver-1069 a écrit : Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Every sexy girl is more or less a new challenge to distribute one's > genes > > Werner LOL, you are the nightmare of romance.! Patricia *************** If Nature thought you were good enough to be born, why can't you get laid? " Silver " ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 --- anabebe57 <anabebe57 a écrit : > > What do people here tell someone who asks them what faith they are? > It happened to me today and I didn't know what to say. > > " Silver " > > > > If ya tell em " Satanism " , they usually leave ya alone. > > Phil > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > LOL Satan???? (anyone remember Dana Carvey on SNL;-) satan rocks & rolls.... originally called Lucifer, the Lightbringer anyone know who made him fall from grace? hmmm? Ana the very desire to keep the light for himself. That is the cause of fall as far as I understand. Patricia ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/20/2006 1:22:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Mon, 20 Mar 2006 08:21:15 -0000 > " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069 > Re: What's Your Faith? > > --- In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > Every sexy girl is more or less a new challenge to distribute one's > > genes > > > > Werner > > *************** > > If Nature thought you were good enough to be born, why can't you get > laid? > > " Silver " > > > > Nature sometimes makes mistakes, but seldom repeats them. > > Phil > > Nature never makes a mistake. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 In a message dated 3/21/2006 9:38:54 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 03:50:28 -0000 " toombaru2006 " <lastrain Re: What's Your Faith? Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/20/2006 1:22:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Mon, 20 Mar 2006 08:21:15 -0000 > " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069 > Re: What's Your Faith? > > --- In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > Every sexy girl is more or less a new challenge to distribute one's > > genes > > > > Werner > > *************** > > If Nature thought you were good enough to be born, why can't you get > laid? > > " Silver " > > > > Nature sometimes makes mistakes, but seldom repeats them. > > Phil > > Nature never makes a mistake. toombaru It was a joke, but I know how you hate those. However, the imperfection of nature is essential to it's perfection. Evolution would not seemingly occur without it. There's a lesson there for us illusory humans too, since we're a part of it. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 what do you call perfect nature? unborn unknown buddha-mind, AND mother nature... ah, so...;-) Love, Ana Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/21/2006 9:38:54 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Tue, 21 Mar 2006 03:50:28 -0000 > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain > Re: What's Your Faith? > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 3/20/2006 1:22:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > Mon, 20 Mar 2006 08:21:15 -0000 > > " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069@> > > Re: What's Your Faith? > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Every sexy girl is more or less a new challenge to distribute one's > > > genes > > > > > > Werner > > > > *************** > > > > If Nature thought you were good enough to be born, why can't you get > > laid? > > > > " Silver " > > > > > > > > Nature sometimes makes mistakes, but seldom repeats them. > > > > Phil > > > > > > Nature never makes a mistake. > > > toombaru > > > > It was a joke, but I know how you hate those. > However, the imperfection of nature is essential to it's perfection. > Evolution would not seemingly occur without it. There's a lesson there for us > illusory humans too, since we're a part of it. > > Phil > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/21/2006 9:38:54 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Tue, 21 Mar 2006 03:50:28 -0000 > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain > Re: What's Your Faith? > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 3/20/2006 1:22:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > Mon, 20 Mar 2006 08:21:15 -0000 > > " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069@> > > Re: What's Your Faith? > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Every sexy girl is more or less a new challenge to distribute one's > > > genes > > > > > > Werner > > > > *************** > > > > If Nature thought you were good enough to be born, why can't you get > > laid? > > > > " Silver " > > > > > > > > Nature sometimes makes mistakes, but seldom repeats them. > > > > Phil > > > > > > Nature never makes a mistake. > > > toombaru > > > > It was a joke, but I know how you hate those. > However, the imperfection of nature is essential to it's perfection. > Evolution would not seemingly occur without it. There's a lesson there for us > illusory humans too, since we're a part of it. > > Phil *************** Let's assume Toomb did not misunderstand your statement. Let us suppose, rather, that he chose to take it seriously instead. Let's forget, for a moment, the fact that you meant it as an indirect insult to Werner. Let us put aside the humour for just a bit and look at the deeper meaning of your statement. Why don't we, instead, view it as a serious commentary on Nature? Does it make mistakes or not? Really. Give me a break. If we took Phil's statement to mean exactly and literally what it says, he would have us believe that Nature does indeed make mistakes and that it only makes the same mistake once. Never twice. Not the same one. It continually makes a series of new mistakes. If that were so, then the question arises wether or not these mistakes generate improvement in Nature. Is Evolution a progressive process or is it a regressive one? Is it not both? Is Evolution not both creative and destructive in nature? We observe that the nature of the universe is dual. We experience it as a place in space-time in which light and dark, up and down, hot and cold, positive and negative, etcetera, can coexist. As far as our physical senses can tell, there is no other reality. However, intelligence tells us more than our senses do. It tells us that a non-Aristotelian world exists. A world in which everything is connected together to form a whole. A place which is no place. A time in which there is no time. A vision in which all is One. Can both worlds exist at the same time and in the same place? It seems so. And where do these worlds exist? Where are they? They are in the mind. They have being in the mind only. And what is the mind? The mind is a bundle of memory impressions that thinks it is real . And because it thinks this, that is why it gives credence to its own creations. It thinks the world is real because it thinks itself real. How did the mind become conscious? How did it become self-conscious? If the world exists in the mind and I am a mind who thinks it is real, then the world is in me. I am not in the world. That would mean that space-time, also, is in me. Everything would be in me if I were the mind I took myself to be. But what if I did not take myself to be what I think I am? What would I be? Difficult if not impossible to answer. I wouldn't be anything I could think of. What is that? What is being nothing I can think of? Think about that for a sec. Pretty bizarre, huh? " Silver " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver- 1069 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 3/21/2006 9:38:54 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > Tue, 21 Mar 2006 03:50:28 -0000 > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > Re: What's Your Faith? > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/20/2006 1:22:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > Mon, 20 Mar 2006 08:21:15 -0000 > > > " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069@> > > > Re: What's Your Faith? > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Every sexy girl is more or less a new challenge to > distribute one's > > > > genes > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > *************** > > > > > > If Nature thought you were good enough to be born, why can't > you get > > > laid? > > > > > > " Silver " > > > > > > > > > > > > Nature sometimes makes mistakes, but seldom repeats them. > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > Nature never makes a mistake. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > It was a joke, but I know how you hate those. > > However, the imperfection of nature is essential to it's > perfection. > > Evolution would not seemingly occur without it. There's a lesson > there for us > > illusory humans too, since we're a part of it. > > > > Phil > > *************** > > Let's assume Toomb did not misunderstand your statement. Let us > suppose, rather, that he chose to take it seriously instead. Let's > forget, for a moment, the fact that you meant it as an indirect > insult to Werner. Let us put aside the humour for just a bit and > look at the deeper meaning of your statement. Why don't we, > instead, view it as a serious commentary on Nature? Does it make > mistakes or not? > > Really. Give me a break. If we took Phil's statement to mean > exactly and literally what it says, he would have us believe that > Nature does indeed make mistakes and that it only makes the same > mistake once. Never twice. Not the same one. It continually makes > a series of new mistakes. > > If that were so, then the question arises wether or not these > mistakes generate improvement in Nature. Is Evolution a progressive > process or is it a regressive one? > > Is it not both? Is Evolution not both creative and destructive in > nature? > > We observe that the nature of the universe is dual. We experience > it as a place in space-time in which light and dark, up and down, > hot and cold, positive and negative, etcetera, can coexist. As far > as our physical senses can tell, there is no other reality. > > However, intelligence tells us more than our senses do. It tells us > that a non-Aristotelian world exists. A world in which everything > is connected together to form a whole. A place which is no place. > A time in which there is no time. A vision in which all is One. > > Can both worlds exist at the same time and in the same place? > > It seems so. > > And where do these worlds exist? Where are they? > > They are in the mind. They have being in the mind only. > > And what is the mind? > > The mind is a bundle of memory impressions that thinks it is real . > And because it thinks this, that is why it gives credence to its own > creations. It thinks the world is real because it thinks itself > real. > > How did the mind become conscious? How did it become self- conscious? > > If the world exists in the mind and I am a mind who thinks it is > real, then the world is in me. I am not in the world. > > That would mean that space-time, also, is in me. > > Everything would be in me if I were the mind I took myself to be. > > But what if I did not take myself to be what I think I am? What > would I be? > > Difficult if not impossible to answer. I wouldn't be anything I > could think of. > > What is that? What is being nothing I can think of? > > Think about that for a sec. Pretty bizarre, huh? > > " Silver " > I can't think about it. Where is that place and when is that time? That second to think in that place of locality in that named thing spacetime? Forthwith are a few thoughts.But lo! Some may be humorous. I'll try not to laugh. One of the extraordinary things about human events is that the unthinkable becomes thinkable. " Salman Rushdie " MAGNITUDE, n. Size. Magnitude being purely relative, nothing is large and nothing small. If everything in the universe were increased in bulk one thousand diameters nothing would be any larger than it was before, but if one thing remain unchanged all the others would be larger than they had been. To an understanding familiar with the relativity of magnitude and distance the spaces and masses of the astronomer would be no more impressive than those of the microscopist. For anything we know to the contrary, the visible universe may be a small part of an atom, with its component ions, floating in the life- fluid (luminiferous ether) of some animal. Possibly the wee creatures peopling the corpuscles of our own blood are overcome with the proper emotion when contemplating the unthinkable distance from one of these to another. " Ambrose Bierce " We have no choice but to be guilty. God is unthinkable if we are innocent. " Archibald MacLeish " A graphic representation of data abstracted from the banks of every computer in the human system. Unthinkable complexity. Lines of light ranged in the nonspace of the mind, clusters and constellations of data. Like city lights, receding. " William Gibson " We must dare to think about unthinkable things because when things become unthinkable, thinking stops and action becomes mindless. " J. William Fulbright I agree it's bizarre. But we should not assume. We should not suppose. We should not forget nor should we deduce others' meanings or intent without due consideration and consultation. giving you a break I hope......bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver- > 1069@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/21/2006 9:38:54 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > Tue, 21 Mar 2006 03:50:28 -0000 > > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > Re: What's Your Faith? > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/20/2006 1:22:22 AM Pacific Standard > Time, > > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > > > Mon, 20 Mar 2006 08:21:15 -0000 > > > > " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069@> > > > > Re: What's Your Faith? > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every sexy girl is more or less a new challenge to > > distribute one's > > > > > genes > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > *************** > > > > > > > > If Nature thought you were good enough to be born, why can't > > you get > > > > laid? > > > > > > > > " Silver " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nature sometimes makes mistakes, but seldom repeats them. > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nature never makes a mistake. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > It was a joke, but I know how you hate those. > > > However, the imperfection of nature is essential to it's > > perfection. > > > Evolution would not seemingly occur without it. There's a lesson > > there for us > > > illusory humans too, since we're a part of it. > > > > > > Phil > > > > *************** > > > > Let's assume Toomb did not misunderstand your statement. Let us > > suppose, rather, that he chose to take it seriously instead. Let's > > forget, for a moment, the fact that you meant it as an indirect > > insult to Werner. Let us put aside the humour for just a bit and > > look at the deeper meaning of your statement. Why don't we, > > instead, view it as a serious commentary on Nature? Does it make > > mistakes or not? > > > > Really. Give me a break. If we took Phil's statement to mean > > exactly and literally what it says, he would have us believe that > > Nature does indeed make mistakes and that it only makes the same > > mistake once. Never twice. Not the same one. It continually > makes > > a series of new mistakes. > > > > If that were so, then the question arises wether or not these > > mistakes generate improvement in Nature. Is Evolution a > progressive > > process or is it a regressive one? > > > > Is it not both? Is Evolution not both creative and destructive in > > nature? > > > > We observe that the nature of the universe is dual. We experience > > it as a place in space-time in which light and dark, up and down, > > hot and cold, positive and negative, etcetera, can coexist. As far > > as our physical senses can tell, there is no other reality. > > > > However, intelligence tells us more than our senses do. It tells > us > > that a non-Aristotelian world exists. A world in which everything > > is connected together to form a whole. A place which is no place. > > A time in which there is no time. A vision in which all is One. > > > > Can both worlds exist at the same time and in the same place? > > > > It seems so. > > > > And where do these worlds exist? Where are they? > > > > They are in the mind. They have being in the mind only. > > > > And what is the mind? > > > > The mind is a bundle of memory impressions that thinks it is > real . > > And because it thinks this, that is why it gives credence to its > own > > creations. It thinks the world is real because it thinks itself > > real. > > > > How did the mind become conscious? How did it become self- > conscious? > > > > If the world exists in the mind and I am a mind who thinks it is > > real, then the world is in me. I am not in the world. > > > > That would mean that space-time, also, is in me. > > > > Everything would be in me if I were the mind I took myself to be. > > > > But what if I did not take myself to be what I think I am? What > > would I be? > > > > Difficult if not impossible to answer. I wouldn't be anything I > > could think of. > > > > What is that? What is being nothing I can think of? > > > > Think about that for a sec. Pretty bizarre, huh? > > > > " Silver " > > > I can't think about it. Where is that place and when is that time? > That second to think in that place of locality in that named thing > spacetime? Forthwith are a few thoughts.But lo! Some may be humorous. > I'll try not to laugh. > > One of the extraordinary things about human events is that the > unthinkable becomes thinkable. " > Salman Rushdie > > " MAGNITUDE, n. Size. Magnitude being purely relative, nothing > is large and nothing small. If everything in the universe were > increased in bulk one thousand diameters nothing would be any larger > than it was before, but if one thing remain unchanged all the others > would be larger than they had been. To an understanding familiar with > the relativity of magnitude and distance the spaces and masses of the > astronomer would be no more impressive than those of the > microscopist. For anything we know to the contrary, the visible > universe may be a small part of an atom, with its component ions, > floating in the life- fluid (luminiferous ether) of some animal. > Possibly the wee creatures peopling the corpuscles of our own blood > are overcome with the proper emotion when contemplating the > unthinkable distance from one of these to another. " > Ambrose Bierce > > " We have no choice but to be guilty. God is unthinkable if we > are innocent. " > Archibald MacLeish > > " A graphic representation of data abstracted from the banks of every > computer in the human system. Unthinkable complexity. Lines of light > ranged in the nonspace of the mind, clusters and constellations of > data. Like city lights, receding. " > William Gibson > > " We must dare to think about unthinkable things because when > things become unthinkable, thinking stops and action becomes > mindless. " > J. William Fulbright > > I agree it's bizarre. But we should not assume. We should not > suppose. We should not forget nor should we deduce others' meanings > or intent without due consideration and consultation. > giving you a break I hope......bob **************** Alright, true. But did you pick up on the error I deliberately planted in what I wrote? I'm curious if Phil will. " Silver " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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