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The meaning of " returning to the market

> place riding the bull " , is not to naively

> proclaim because I'm liberated, you are

> all liberated and there is no delusion,

> and no suffering, and no one exist

> and no thing ever happened. No, it's to

> admit that there is no individual

> liberation. We return to the market to

> put our shoulder to the illusory wheel

> crushing our collective illusory chest.

> Suffering might be a dream, but it still

> hurts. And we can't dismiss the nightmares

> of Iraq, the slums of Calcutta, or the

> devastation of New Orleans, as non existing.

>

> Pete

 

~~~

 

of course not.

i do think it is often misunderstood to meam

something like that ...

but that is indeed a misinterpretation.

 

it isn't about dismissing/denying/excluding anything ...

just the opposite ...

it is simply seeing and accepting things as they are.

and please note, 'acceptance' does not mean we have to

agree with or suppoart all we perceive ...

but only that we accept what is, as the reality ...

in any given situation. see it for what it is.

and from that place of not being emotionally invested ...

or no longer being fooled by appearances ...

or attached to an outcome ...

we may find ourselves in a position to actually act

in an effective way, rather than simply re-acting

unconsciously out of/through our condidtioning.

now, we may actually be of use on occasion ...

and perhaps be able to provide assistance or guidence ...

or 'improve' a situation for ourselves or someone else.

we are now in a position to really begin to appreciate

life for what it is.

 

i'm including here some commentary that i recently

added to the Ox Herding series i have online at:

http://peace.wikicities.com/wiki/Seeking_The_Ox

 

the following is from the 10th picture ...

'Entering The Marketplace With Open Hands'

 

perhaps it will resonate with some.

 

thanks pete

-ts-

 

~~~

 

" This last stage represents freedom, wisdom and compassion. We are not

encumbered by appearances. We adapt freely to high and low places. We

find spirituality everywhere, it is not confined to monasteries and

secluded places. Meditation and realization do not make us passive but

active. We are deeply connected to the world, we feel its suffering

and we want to respond and help. Our bag is full of joy, compassion,

understanding, loving-kindness, wisdom and skilful means.

 

We naturally give to ourselves and others what is beneficial. We

listen deeply, we observe unobtrusively and respond appropriately.

When we give we do not expect anything. We are not superior to others

when we help them, on the contrary helping them is like helping

ourselves and we are grateful they give us that opportunity to extend

ourselves. When we love it is with total acceptance. We do not help

only people we like but also people who are difficult. However, we do

not force our ideas†" our opinions, what works for us†" on others. We

try

to bring lightness into people's lives. We do not take it all too

seriously.

 

When we look at the Ten Oxherding Pictures we have to be careful not

to think that self-development and Zen practice go in a straight line.

It is more like a spiral. We go round and up, hopefully. We go back to

different stages but with more understanding. We deepen our

realization of each stage as we continue on the path. We still have

delusions and attachments to shed. We discover more ways to develop

concentration and enquiry further. Master Kusan had three different

major awakenings, and each time he continued to practise even more.

The last time, his own teacher, Master Hyobong, said: " Until now you

have been following me; now it is I who should follow you. "

 

~ Zen, by Martine Batchelor.

 

 

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<1) Everyone is enlightened.

 

2) And peace was always the case.

 

3) Because there is no I, suffering doesn't

exist.

 

4) Because there is no " I, "

existence doesn't exist.

 

5) All that is needed for liberation is to

believe those four slogans above.>

 

 

 

Pete

.....................................................

How to believe? I am afraid I don`t believe in

believing. But, as a gnostic would say, I long for the

daily experience of Reality touching me.

I then do experience Grace, but do I beleive in it?

Beleif seems to be memory,

Grace is a reality.

Patricia

 

 

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On Mar 20, 2006, at 7:50 PM, Nisargadatta wrote:

 

> Tue, 21 Mar 2006 01:14:13 +0100 (CET)

> OConnor Patricia <gdtige

> RE: Suffering And Pleasure

>

 

P: You quote me here, as if I were

affirming those 5 errors as truth.

I very clearly wrote they were the

5 naive naive errors of pseudo enlightenment.

 

And you long for mental pleasure, and stimulation,

and if you pay a little more attention to reading,

and whatever is in front of you, then there would

not be any need to long for reality. Can you see

how silly is to say, that you long for reality, what else

is there? It's your scattered attention which fragments

reality into a puzzle of discordant pieces.

 

 

 

>

>

> <1) Everyone is enlightened.

>

> 2) And peace was always the case.

>

> 3) Because there is no I, suffering doesn't

> exist.

>

> 4) Because there is no " I, "

> existence doesn't exist.

>

> 5) All that is needed for liberation is to

> believe those four slogans above.>

>

>

>

> Pete

> ....................................................

> How to believe? I am afraid I don`t believe in

> believing. But, as a gnostic would say, I long for the

> daily experience of Reality touching me.

> I then do experience Grace, but do I beleive in it?

> Beleif seems to be memory,

> Grace is a reality.

> Patricia

>

>

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OOOPS, sorry I misread you!

--- Pete S <pedsie5 a écrit :

 

 

 

 

On Mar 20, 2006, at 7:50 PM,

Nisargadatta wrote:

 

> Tue, 21 Mar 2006 01:14:13 +0100 (CET)

> OConnor Patricia <gdtige

> RE: Suffering And Pleasure

>

 

P: You quote me here, as if I were

affirming those 5 errors as truth.

I very clearly wrote they were the

5 naive naive errors of pseudo enlightenment.

 

And you long for mental pleasure, and stimulation,

and if you pay a little more attention to reading,

and whatever is in front of you, then there would

not be any need to long for reality. Can you see

how silly is to say, that you long for reality, what

else

is there? It's your scattered attention which

fragments

reality into a puzzle of discordant pieces.

 

 

 

>

>

> <1) Everyone is enlightened.

>

> 2) And peace was always the case.

>

> 3) Because there is no I, suffering doesn't

> exist.

>

> 4) Because there is no " I, "

> existence doesn't exist.

>

> 5) All that is needed for liberation is to

> believe those four slogans above.>

>

>

>

> Pete

> ....................................................

> How to believe? I am afraid I don`t believe in

> believing. But, as a gnostic would say, I long for

the

> daily experience of Reality touching me.

> I then do experience Grace, but do I beleive in it?

> Beleif seems to be memory,

> Grace is a reality.

> Patricia

>

>

 

 

 

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