Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 The overall sense is that of a seeming process of experience that is so delicately balanced that it appears to be on the verge of awakening to itself all the time. Sometimes, it's unclear exactly what keeps this from happening, but then I recognize the desire to remain and continue the experience. When the experience is complete, awakening occurs spontaneously and naturally in the same way, and for the same reason, that we awaken from our nightly dreams. Phil L.E: Thank you for the effort and creativity of your response. There is so much there it's not easy to absorb or even easily understand, but the intensity and richness is impressive. I still find your insistence on the word " mechanism " difficult to accept. I feel much more comfortable with " human organism. " So if I just inject " human organism " where you use mechanism perhaps I can read it with more compatability. You are very uncertain about many things and I respect that, and you have an obvious capcity for complex thinking. I wonder if you want comfirmation and agreement, or if you are hoping to find someone that will deal with your vision and correct it where it is inaccurate. It's a little like you are juggling all these concepts or possibiliities and can't put down the balls, or are pleading with someone to admire your skill and tells you to relax, that you have the answer, and can let go of the struggle to understand now. Like " OK Phil, you got it, that's exactly how it is, now you can stop and let the idea balls drop. " Maybe, someday, you'll just get tired, and stop doing that with your mind, or the mind. If it could only simplify itself for you, what a relief! Maybe like this: Phil, I am life itself and you are my expression. Just relax and enjoy being who you are instead of trying to figure out who you are. You are of me, my expression so just let it go, you cannot figure it out because I am what you are trying to grasp, and I am ungrasable. You are not able to figure out who I am because you are who I am, and you cannot look back into the process of existence or being. It is impossible. You cannot flow or see backwards into me while I am being you. You have to just live and move into the moment and chose according to your nature. Eat some food, love someone, have a few thousand orgasims, fight against the bad guys or even be a bad guy, your choice. Try to figure out what is ahead of you rather than what is producing you. I am producing you, Life, Consciousness, Eternal Wisdom, the Universal Self. Don't worry about it anymore. Your existence is in good hands, my hands, so to speak. I am living as you, through you so relax and live fully. That's it. No more needs to be said. Change the subject, talk about something else for a change. Love and Light, Larry Epstn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 In a message dated 3/20/2006 2:52:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 14:09:51 -0500 epston Re: Complete Attention-Phil The overall sense is that of a seeming process of experience that is so delicately balanced that it appears to be on the verge of awakening to itself all the time. Sometimes, it's unclear exactly what keeps this from happening, but then I recognize the desire to remain and continue the experience. When the experience is complete, awakening occurs spontaneously and naturally in the same way, and for the same reason, that we awaken from our nightly dreams. Phil L.E: Thank you for the effort and creativity of your response. There is so much there it's not easy to absorb or even easily understand, but the intensity and richness is impressive. I still find your insistence on the word " mechanism " difficult to accept. I feel much more comfortable with " human organism. " So if I just inject " human organism " where you use mechanism perhaps I can read it with more compatability. You are very uncertain about many things and I respect that, and you have an obvious capcity for complex thinking. I wonder if you want comfirmation and agreement, or if you are hoping to find someone that will deal with your vision and correct it where it is inaccurate. It's a little like you are juggling all these concepts or possibiliities and can't put down the balls, or are pleading with someone to admire your skill and tells you to relax, that you have the answer, and can let go of the struggle to understand now. Like " OK Phil, you got it, that's exactly how it is, now you can stop and let the idea balls drop. " Maybe, someday, you'll just get tired, and stop doing that with your mind, or the mind. If it could only simplify itself for you, what a relief! Maybe like this: Phil, I am life itself and you are my expression. Just relax and enjoy being who you are instead of trying to figure out who you are. You are of me, my expression so just let it go, you cannot figure it out because I am what you are trying to grasp, and I am ungrasable. You are not able to figure out who I am because you are who I am, and you cannot look back into the process of existence or being. It is impossible. You cannot flow or see backwards into me while I am being you. You have to just live and move into the moment and chose according to your nature. Eat some food, love someone, have a few thousand orgasims, fight against the bad guys or even be a bad guy, your choice. Try to figure out what is ahead of you rather than what is producing you. I am producing you, Life, Consciousness, Eternal Wisdom, the Universal Self. Don't worry about it anymore. Your existence is in good hands, my hands, so to speak. I am living as you, through you so relax and live fully. That's it. No more needs to be said. Change the subject, talk about something else for a change. Love and Light, Larry Epstn I don't need anything from anyone. Nobody's words here are any more useful to me than mine are to them. All the words are, at best, one individual's exploration that has nothing to do with me, or at worst, a set of projections, fears and an attempt to get me to struggle with your own ignorance. Nobody listens to anyone else, and you're not supposed to. You're supposed to be listening to yourself, but almost nobody does that either, which is why the discussions look so foolish and pointless. They mostly are. The most ignorant believe that they can take an idea from some guru and decide to do that. Since they can't, they then try to tell everybody else how to do it. That's why we have folks repeating over and over that we should stop thinking or just be or post just a certain amount or meditate more or enjoy life or dismiss life or love more or rub your head and belly at the same time while chanting. This is all human ignorance. If there were a way, everybody would be doing it. If the proper choices could be made, everybody who wanted it would be enlightened, and everybody's life would be happy. Isn't that obvious? Whatever somebody is doing is not happening because they're waiting for you to come along and tell them what they're doing wrong. It's happening because it's happening and it will continue to happen until it stops happening. This isn't some advanced theory. This is how your life has always been. The story you've written about your life and what you've accomplished is just a collection of events that we like. None of it was caused by you. If there was ever anything to learn, it's that it's not your job to try to change it or make all sorts of important decisions or help somebody understand anything. Everything just is what it is. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > The overall sense is that of a seeming process of experience that is so > delicately balanced that it appears to be on the verge of awakening to itself > all > the time. Sometimes, it's unclear exactly what keeps this from happening, > but then I recognize the desire to remain and continue the experience. When the > > experience is complete, awakening occurs spontaneously and naturally in the > same way, and for the same reason, that we awaken from our nightly dreams. > > Phil > > L.E: Thank you for the effort and creativity of your response. There is so much there it's not easy to absorb or even easily understand, but the intensity and richness is impressive. > I still find your insistence on the word " mechanism " difficult to accept. I feel much more comfortable with " human organism. " So if I just inject " human organism " where you use mechanism perhaps I can read it with more compatability. You are very uncertain about many things and I respect that, and you have an obvious capcity for complex thinking. > I wonder if you want comfirmation and agreement, or if you are hoping to find someone that will deal with your vision and correct it where it is inaccurate. It's a little like you are juggling all these concepts or possibiliities and can't put down the balls, or are pleading with someone to admire your skill and tells you to relax, that you have the answer, and can let go of the struggle to understand now. Like " OK Phil, you got it, that's exactly how it is, now you can stop and let the idea balls drop. " Maybe, someday, you'll just get tired, and stop doing that with your mind, or the mind. > If it could only simplify itself for you, what a relief! Maybe like this: > > Phil, I am life itself and you are my expression. Just relax and enjoy being who you are instead of trying to figure out who you are. You are of me, my expression so just let it go, you cannot figure it out because I am what you are trying to grasp, and I am ungrasable. You are not able to figure out who I am because you are who I am, and you cannot look back into the process of existence or being. It is impossible. You cannot flow or see backwards into me while I am being you. You have to just live and move into the moment and chose according to your nature. Eat some food, love someone, have a few thousand orgasims, fight against the bad guys or even be a bad guy, your choice. Try to figure out what is ahead of you rather than what is producing you. I am producing you, Life, Consciousness, Eternal Wisdom, the Universal Self. Don't worry about it anymore. Your existence is in good hands, my hands, so to speak. I am living as you, through you so relax and live fully. > That's it. No more needs to be said. Change the subject, talk about something else for a change. > > Love and Light, > > Larry Epstn ************ Larry, If Mother Earth could speak, I believe She would say exactly what you just did. I just want you to know that I totally agree with it. So, thank you, sincerely. I think it's the best thing I've read here so far. " Silver " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > > > --- s_i_l_v_e_r1069 <silver-1069 a > écrit : > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > The overall sense is that of a seeming process of > experience that > is so > > delicately balanced that it appears to be on the > verge of > awakening to itself > > all > > the time. Sometimes, it's unclear exactly what keeps > this from > happening, > > but then I recognize the desire to remain and > continue the > experience. When the > > > > experience is complete, awakening occurs > spontaneously and > naturally in the > > same way, and for the same reason, that we awaken > from our > nightly dreams. > > > > Phil > > > > L.E: Thank you for the effort and creativity of your > response. > There is so much there it's not easy to absorb or even > easily > understand, but the intensity and richness is > impressive. > > I still find your insistence on the word " mechanism " > difficult to > accept. I feel much more comfortable with " human > organism. " So if > I just inject " human organism " where you use mechanism > perhaps I can > read it with more compatability. You are very > uncertain about many > things and I respect that, and you have an obvious > capcity for > complex thinking. > > I wonder if you want comfirmation and agreement, or > if you are > hoping to find someone that will deal with your vision > and correct > it where it is inaccurate. It's a little like you are > juggling all > these concepts or possibiliities and can't put down > the balls, or > are pleading with someone to admire your skill and > tells you to > relax, that you have the answer, and can let go of the > struggle to > understand now. Like " OK Phil, you got it, that's > exactly how it > is, now you can stop and let the idea balls drop. " > Maybe, someday, > you'll just get tired, and stop doing that with your > mind, or the > mind. > > If it could only simplify itself for you, what a > relief! Maybe > like this: > > > > Phil, I am life itself and you are my expression. > Just relax and > enjoy being who you are instead of trying to figure > out who you > are. You are of me, my expression so just let it go, > you cannot > figure it out because I am what you are trying to > grasp, and I am > ungrasable. You are not able to figure out who I am > because you are > who I am, and you cannot look back into the process of > existence or > being. It is impossible. You cannot flow or see > backwards into me > while I am being you. You have to just live and move > into the > moment and chose according to your nature. Eat some > food, love > someone, have a few thousand orgasims, fight against > the bad guys or > even be a bad guy, your choice. Try to figure out > what is ahead of > you rather than what is producing you. I am producing > you, Life, > Consciousness, Eternal Wisdom, the Universal Self. > Don't worry about > it anymore. Your existence is in good hands, my > hands, so to > speak. I am living as you, through you so relax and > live fully. > > That's it. No more needs to be said. Change the > subject, talk > about something else for a change. > > > > Love and Light, > > > > Larry Epstn > > ************ > > Larry, > > If Mother Earth could speak, I believe She would say > exactly what > you just did. I just want you to know that I totally > agree with > it. So, thank you, sincerely. I think it's the best > thing I've > read here so far. > Yes indeed. That is all very comforting. It makes my self all warm and cozy. Like the Disiderata did when I first heard it. It makes me feel like my granddaughter must feel when she holds her pink blanket to her cheek....slips her thumb into her mouth.....and gazes off into the distance. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 In a message dated 3/21/2006 9:38:54 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:19:51 +0100 (CET) OConnor Patricia <gdtige RE: Re: Complete Attention-Phil --- s_i_l_v_e_r1069 <silver-1069 a écrit : Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > The overall sense is that of a seeming process of experience that is so > delicately balanced that it appears to be on the verge of awakening to itself > all > the time. Sometimes, it's unclear exactly what keeps this from happening, > but then I recognize the desire to remain and continue the experience. When the > > experience is complete, awakening occurs spontaneously and naturally in the > same way, and for the same reason, that we awaken from our nightly dreams. > > Phil > > L.E: Thank you for the effort and creativity of your response. There is so much there it's not easy to absorb or even easily understand, but the intensity and richness is impressive. > I still find your insistence on the word " mechanism " difficult to accept. I feel much more comfortable with " human organism. " So if I just inject " human organism " where you use mechanism perhaps I can read it with more compatability. You are very uncertain about many things and I respect that, and you have an obvious capcity for complex thinking. > I wonder if you want comfirmation and agreement, or if you are hoping to find someone that will deal with your vision and correct it where it is inaccurate. It's a little like you are juggling all these concepts or possibiliities and can't put down the balls, or are pleading with someone to admire your skill and tells you to relax, that you have the answer, and can let go of the struggle to understand now. Like " OK Phil, you got it, that's exactly how it is, now you can stop and let the idea balls drop. " Maybe, someday, you'll just get tired, and stop doing that with your mind, or the mind. > If it could only simplify itself for you, what a relief! Maybe like this: > > Phil, I am life itself and you are my expression. Just relax and enjoy being who you are instead of trying to figure out who you are. You are of me, my expression so just let it go, you cannot figure it out because I am what you are trying to grasp, and I am ungrasable. You are not able to figure out who I am because you are who I am, and you cannot look back into the process of existence or being. It is impossible. You cannot flow or see backwards into me while I am being you. You have to just live and move into the moment and chose according to your nature. Eat some food, love someone, have a few thousand orgasims, fight against the bad guys or even be a bad guy, your choice. Try to figure out what is ahead of you rather than what is producing you. I am producing you, Life, Consciousness, Eternal Wisdom, the Universal Self. Don't worry about it anymore. Your existence is in good hands, my hands, so to speak. I am living as you, through you so relax and live fully. > That's it. No more needs to be said. Change the subject, talk about something else for a change. > > Love and Light, > > Larry Epstn ************ Larry, If Mother Earth could speak, I believe She would say exactly what you just did. I just want you to know that I totally agree with it. So, thank you, sincerely. I think it's the best thing I've read here so far. " Silver " But, but but,.... Just kidding... I am going to have a good cup of coffee and try not to think of you to much. Patricia Not so strangely enough. That's precisely what I did. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 I don't need anything from anyone. Nobody's words here are any more useful to me than mine are to them. All the words are, at best, one individual's exploration that has nothing to do with me, or at worst, a set of projections, fears and an attempt to get me to struggle with your own ignorance. Nobody listens to anyone else, and you're not supposed to. You're supposed to be listening to yourself, Phil L.E: DO you grow your own wheat, carrots, tomatoes and pinapples? Do you fix your own compter, your plumbing, your electrical power when it goes out. Did you build your own car? " don't need anyone? " What a strange thing to write. And when you listen to another, you ARE listening you yourself. You are the only one here in a deep way. It is all self-talking, the whole created universe, everything. It is all talking to yourself. You are so incredibly WRONG! MISTAKEN! but then, your mistake is mine in the deeper sense of things. So I have to say, when I read your words, HOW CAN I BE THAT STUPID! Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige@> wrote: > > > > > > --- s_i_l_v_e_r1069 <silver-1069@> a > > écrit : > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > > The overall sense is that of a seeming process of > > experience that > > is so > > > delicately balanced that it appears to be on the > > verge of > > awakening to itself > > > all > > > the time. Sometimes, it's unclear exactly what keeps > > this from > > happening, > > > but then I recognize the desire to remain and > > continue the > > experience. When the > > > > > > experience is complete, awakening occurs > > spontaneously and > > naturally in the > > > same way, and for the same reason, that we awaken > > from our > > nightly dreams. > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > L.E: Thank you for the effort and creativity of your > > response. > > There is so much there it's not easy to absorb or even > > easily > > understand, but the intensity and richness is > > impressive. > > > I still find your insistence on the word " mechanism " > > difficult to > > accept. I feel much more comfortable with " human > > organism. " So if > > I just inject " human organism " where you use mechanism > > perhaps I can > > read it with more compatability. You are very > > uncertain about many > > things and I respect that, and you have an obvious > > capcity for > > complex thinking. > > > I wonder if you want comfirmation and agreement, or > > if you are > > hoping to find someone that will deal with your vision > > and correct > > it where it is inaccurate. It's a little like you are > > juggling all > > these concepts or possibiliities and can't put down > > the balls, or > > are pleading with someone to admire your skill and > > tells you to > > relax, that you have the answer, and can let go of the > > struggle to > > understand now. Like " OK Phil, you got it, that's > > exactly how it > > is, now you can stop and let the idea balls drop. " > > Maybe, someday, > > you'll just get tired, and stop doing that with your > > mind, or the > > mind. > > > If it could only simplify itself for you, what a > > relief! Maybe > > like this: > > > > > > Phil, I am life itself and you are my expression. > > Just relax and > > enjoy being who you are instead of trying to figure > > out who you > > are. You are of me, my expression so just let it go, > > you cannot > > figure it out because I am what you are trying to > > grasp, and I am > > ungrasable. You are not able to figure out who I am > > because you are > > who I am, and you cannot look back into the process of > > existence or > > being. It is impossible. You cannot flow or see > > backwards into me > > while I am being you. You have to just live and move > > into the > > moment and chose according to your nature. Eat some > > food, love > > someone, have a few thousand orgasims, fight against > > the bad guys or > > even be a bad guy, your choice. Try to figure out > > what is ahead of > > you rather than what is producing you. I am producing > > you, Life, > > Consciousness, Eternal Wisdom, the Universal Self. > > Don't worry about > > it anymore. Your existence is in good hands, my > > hands, so to > > speak. I am living as you, through you so relax and > > live fully. > > > That's it. No more needs to be said. Change the > > subject, talk > > about something else for a change. > > > > > > Love and Light, > > > > > > Larry Epstn > > > > ************ > > > > Larry, > > > > If Mother Earth could speak, I believe She would say > > exactly what > > you just did. I just want you to know that I totally > > agree with > > it. So, thank you, sincerely. I think it's the best > > thing I've > > read here so far. > > > > > > > Yes indeed. > > That is all very comforting. > > It makes my self all warm and cozy. > > Like the Disiderata did when I first heard it. > > It makes me feel like my granddaughter must feel when she holds her pink blanket to her > cheek....slips her thumb into her mouth.....and gazes off into the distance. > > Yes..Yea..Yay. That's IT! Being There. Would that all could be there and be SILENT in the awe of it. .....bob > > > toombaru > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 --- " Bob N. " <Roberibus111 a écrit : Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige@> wrote: > > > > > > --- s_i_l_v_e_r1069 <silver-1069@> a > > écrit : > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > > The overall sense is that of a seeming process of > > experience that > > is so > > > delicately balanced that it appears to be on the > > verge of > > awakening to itself > > > all > > > the time. Sometimes, it's unclear exactly what keeps > > this from > > happening, > > > but then I recognize the desire to remain and > > continue the > > experience. When the > > > > > > experience is complete, awakening occurs > > spontaneously and > > naturally in the > > > same way, and for the same reason, that we awaken > > from our > > nightly dreams. > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > L.E: Thank you for the effort and creativity of your > > response. > > There is so much there it's not easy to absorb or even > > easily > > understand, but the intensity and richness is > > impressive. > > > I still find your insistence on the word " mechanism " > > difficult to > > accept. I feel much more comfortable with " human > > organism. " So if > > I just inject " human organism " where you use mechanism > > perhaps I can > > read it with more compatability. You are very > > uncertain about many > > things and I respect that, and you have an obvious > > capcity for > > complex thinking. > > > I wonder if you want comfirmation and agreement, or > > if you are > > hoping to find someone that will deal with your vision > > and correct > > it where it is inaccurate. It's a little like you are > > juggling all > > these concepts or possibiliities and can't put down > > the balls, or > > are pleading with someone to admire your skill and > > tells you to > > relax, that you have the answer, and can let go of the > > struggle to > > understand now. Like " OK Phil, you got it, that's > > exactly how it > > is, now you can stop and let the idea balls drop. " > > Maybe, someday, > > you'll just get tired, and stop doing that with your > > mind, or the > > mind. > > > If it could only simplify itself for you, what a > > relief! Maybe > > like this: > > > > > > Phil, I am life itself and you are my expression. > > Just relax and > > enjoy being who you are instead of trying to figure > > out who you > > are. You are of me, my expression so just let it go, > > you cannot > > figure it out because I am what you are trying to > > grasp, and I am > > ungrasable. You are not able to figure out who I am > > because you are > > who I am, and you cannot look back into the process of > > existence or > > being. It is impossible. You cannot flow or see > > backwards into me > > while I am being you. You have to just live and move > > into the > > moment and chose according to your nature. Eat some > > food, love > > someone, have a few thousand orgasims, fight against > > the bad guys or > > even be a bad guy, your choice. Try to figure out > > what is ahead of > > you rather than what is producing you. I am producing > > you, Life, > > Consciousness, Eternal Wisdom, the Universal Self. > > Don't worry about > > it anymore. Your existence is in good hands, my > > hands, so to > > speak. I am living as you, through you so relax and > > live fully. > > > That's it. No more needs to be said. Change the > > subject, talk > > about something else for a change. > > > > > > Love and Light, > > > > > > Larry Epstn > > > > ************ > > > > Larry, > > > > If Mother Earth could speak, I believe She would say > > exactly what > > you just did. I just want you to know that I totally > > agree with > > it. So, thank you, sincerely. I think it's the best > > thing I've > > read here so far. > > > > > > > Yes indeed. > > That is all very comforting. > > It makes my self all warm and cozy. > > Like the Disiderata did when I first heard it. > > It makes me feel like my granddaughter must feel when she holds her pink blanket to her > cheek....slips her thumb into her mouth.....and gazes off into the distance. > > Yes..Yea..Yay. That's IT! Being There. Would that all could be there and be SILENT in the awe of it. .....bob > > > toombaru Well..after you, Toomb..Bob.. > ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > > > --- " Bob N. " <Roberibus111 a écrit : > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , OConnor > Patricia <gdtige@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > --- s_i_l_v_e_r1069 <silver-1069@> a > > > écrit : > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > The overall sense is that of a seeming process > of > > > experience that > > > is so > > > > delicately balanced that it appears to be on the > > > verge of > > > awakening to itself > > > > all > > > > the time. Sometimes, it's unclear exactly what > keeps > > > this from > > > happening, > > > > but then I recognize the desire to remain and > > > continue the > > > experience. When the > > > > > > > > experience is complete, awakening occurs > > > spontaneously and > > > naturally in the > > > > same way, and for the same reason, that we > awaken > > > from our > > > nightly dreams. > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > L.E: Thank you for the effort and creativity of > your > > > response. > > > There is so much there it's not easy to absorb or > even > > > easily > > > understand, but the intensity and richness is > > > impressive. > > > > I still find your insistence on the word > " mechanism " > > > difficult to > > > accept. I feel much more comfortable with " human > > > organism. " So if > > > I just inject " human organism " where you use > mechanism > > > perhaps I can > > > read it with more compatability. You are very > > > uncertain about many > > > things and I respect that, and you have an obvious > > > capcity for > > > complex thinking. > > > > I wonder if you want comfirmation and agreement, > or > > > if you are > > > hoping to find someone that will deal with your > vision > > > and correct > > > it where it is inaccurate. It's a little like you > are > > > juggling all > > > these concepts or possibiliities and can't put > down > > > the balls, or > > > are pleading with someone to admire your skill and > > > tells you to > > > relax, that you have the answer, and can let go of > the > > > struggle to > > > understand now. Like " OK Phil, you got it, that's > > > exactly how it > > > is, now you can stop and let the idea balls drop. " > > > > Maybe, someday, > > > you'll just get tired, and stop doing that with > your > > > mind, or the > > > mind. > > > > If it could only simplify itself for you, what a > > > relief! Maybe > > > like this: > > > > > > > > Phil, I am life itself and you are my > expression. > > > Just relax and > > > enjoy being who you are instead of trying to > figure > > > out who you > > > are. You are of me, my expression so just let it > go, > > > you cannot > > > figure it out because I am what you are trying to > > > grasp, and I am > > > ungrasable. You are not able to figure out who I > am > > > because you are > > > who I am, and you cannot look back into the > process of > > > existence or > > > being. It is impossible. You cannot flow or see > > > backwards into me > > > while I am being you. You have to just live and > move > > > into the > > > moment and chose according to your nature. Eat > some > > > food, love > > > someone, have a few thousand orgasims, fight > against > > > the bad guys or > > > even be a bad guy, your choice. Try to figure out > > > what is ahead of > > > you rather than what is producing you. I am > producing > > > you, Life, > > > Consciousness, Eternal Wisdom, the Universal Self. > > > Don't worry about > > > it anymore. Your existence is in good hands, my > > > hands, so to > > > speak. I am living as you, through you so relax > and > > > live fully. > > > > That's it. No more needs to be said. Change the > > > subject, talk > > > about something else for a change. > > > > > > > > Love and Light, > > > > > > > > Larry Epstn > > > > > > ************ > > > > > > Larry, > > > > > > If Mother Earth could speak, I believe She would > say > > > exactly what > > > you just did. I just want you to know that I > totally > > > agree with > > > it. So, thank you, sincerely. I think it's the > best > > > thing I've > > > read here so far. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes indeed. > > > > That is all very comforting. > > > > It makes my self all warm and cozy. > > > > Like the Disiderata did when I first heard it. > > > > It makes me feel like my granddaughter must feel > when she holds her > pink blanket to her > > cheek....slips her thumb into her mouth.....and > gazes off into the > distance. > > > > Yes..Yea..Yay. That's IT! Being There. Would that > all could be > there and be SILENT in the awe of it. > .....bob > > > > > > toombaru > > Well..after you, Toomb..Bob.. > > > Just before the edge of the known world.......surrounding the city is is large sugarcane field......Most of the children get stuck there in the heavy sweetness..... and never reach the prize in time. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige wrote: > > > --- " Bob N. " <Roberibus111 a écrit : > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , OConnor > Patricia <gdtige@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > --- s_i_l_v_e_r1069 <silver-1069@> a > > > écrit : > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > The overall sense is that of a seeming process > of > > > experience that > > > is so > > > > delicately balanced that it appears to be on the > > > verge of > > > awakening to itself > > > > all > > > > the time. Sometimes, it's unclear exactly what > keeps > > > this from > > > happening, > > > > but then I recognize the desire to remain and > > > continue the > > > experience. When the > > > > > > > > experience is complete, awakening occurs > > > spontaneously and > > > naturally in the > > > > same way, and for the same reason, that we > awaken > > > from our > > > nightly dreams. > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > L.E: Thank you for the effort and creativity of > your > > > response. > > > There is so much there it's not easy to absorb or > even > > > easily > > > understand, but the intensity and richness is > > > impressive. > > > > I still find your insistence on the word > " mechanism " > > > difficult to > > > accept. I feel much more comfortable with " human > > > organism. " So if > > > I just inject " human organism " where you use > mechanism > > > perhaps I can > > > read it with more compatability. You are very > > > uncertain about many > > > things and I respect that, and you have an obvious > > > capcity for > > > complex thinking. > > > > I wonder if you want comfirmation and agreement, > or > > > if you are > > > hoping to find someone that will deal with your > vision > > > and correct > > > it where it is inaccurate. It's a little like you > are > > > juggling all > > > these concepts or possibiliities and can't put > down > > > the balls, or > > > are pleading with someone to admire your skill and > > > tells you to > > > relax, that you have the answer, and can let go of > the > > > struggle to > > > understand now. Like " OK Phil, you got it, that's > > > exactly how it > > > is, now you can stop and let the idea balls drop. " > > > > Maybe, someday, > > > you'll just get tired, and stop doing that with > your > > > mind, or the > > > mind. > > > > If it could only simplify itself for you, what a > > > relief! Maybe > > > like this: > > > > > > > > Phil, I am life itself and you are my > expression. > > > Just relax and > > > enjoy being who you are instead of trying to > figure > > > out who you > > > are. You are of me, my expression so just let it > go, > > > you cannot > > > figure it out because I am what you are trying to > > > grasp, and I am > > > ungrasable. You are not able to figure out who I > am > > > because you are > > > who I am, and you cannot look back into the > process of > > > existence or > > > being. It is impossible. You cannot flow or see > > > backwards into me > > > while I am being you. You have to just live and > move > > > into the > > > moment and chose according to your nature. Eat > some > > > food, love > > > someone, have a few thousand orgasims, fight > against > > > the bad guys or > > > even be a bad guy, your choice. Try to figure out > > > what is ahead of > > > you rather than what is producing you. I am > producing > > > you, Life, > > > Consciousness, Eternal Wisdom, the Universal Self. > > > Don't worry about > > > it anymore. Your existence is in good hands, my > > > hands, so to > > > speak. I am living as you, through you so relax > and > > > live fully. > > > > That's it. No more needs to be said. Change the > > > subject, talk > > > about something else for a change. > > > > > > > > Love and Light, > > > > > > > > Larry Epstn > > > > > > ************ > > > > > > Larry, > > > > > > If Mother Earth could speak, I believe She would > say > > > exactly what > > > you just did. I just want you to know that I > totally > > > agree with > > > it. So, thank you, sincerely. I think it's the > best > > > thing I've > > > read here so far. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes indeed. > > > > That is all very comforting. > > > > It makes my self all warm and cozy. > > > > Like the Disiderata did when I first heard it. > > > > It makes me feel like my granddaughter must feel > when she holds her > pink blanket to her > > cheek....slips her thumb into her mouth.....and > gazes off into the > distance. > > > > Yes..Yea..Yay. That's IT! Being There. Would that > all could be > there and be SILENT in the awe of it. > .....bob > > > > > > toombaru > > Well..after you, Toomb..Bob.. > > > > Well Shut My Mouth! ......bob in Tombstone Arizona.(not where Joe-Joe left his heart for some California grass... " Get back..get back...get back to where you once belonged " [Tuscon that is]) > > > > > ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to > change your subscription, sign in with your ID > and go to Edit My Groups: > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " > for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , OConnor Patricia <gdtige@> wrote: > > > > > > --- " Bob N. " <Roberibus111@> a écrit : > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , OConnor > > Patricia <gdtige@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- s_i_l_v_e_r1069 <silver-1069@> a > > > > écrit : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The overall sense is that of a seeming process > > of > > > > experience that > > > > is so > > > > > delicately balanced that it appears to be on the > > > > verge of > > > > awakening to itself > > > > > all > > > > > the time. Sometimes, it's unclear exactly what > > keeps > > > > this from > > > > happening, > > > > > but then I recognize the desire to remain and > > > > continue the > > > > experience. When the > > > > > > > > > > experience is complete, awakening occurs > > > > spontaneously and > > > > naturally in the > > > > > same way, and for the same reason, that we > > awaken > > > > from our > > > > nightly dreams. > > > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > L.E: Thank you for the effort and creativity of > > your > > > > response. > > > > There is so much there it's not easy to absorb or > > even > > > > easily > > > > understand, but the intensity and richness is > > > > impressive. > > > > > I still find your insistence on the word > > " mechanism " > > > > difficult to > > > > accept. I feel much more comfortable with " human > > > > organism. " So if > > > > I just inject " human organism " where you use > > mechanism > > > > perhaps I can > > > > read it with more compatability. You are very > > > > uncertain about many > > > > things and I respect that, and you have an obvious > > > > capcity for > > > > complex thinking. > > > > > I wonder if you want comfirmation and agreement, > > or > > > > if you are > > > > hoping to find someone that will deal with your > > vision > > > > and correct > > > > it where it is inaccurate. It's a little like you > > are > > > > juggling all > > > > these concepts or possibiliities and can't put > > down > > > > the balls, or > > > > are pleading with someone to admire your skill and > > > > tells you to > > > > relax, that you have the answer, and can let go of > > the > > > > struggle to > > > > understand now. Like " OK Phil, you got it, that's > > > > exactly how it > > > > is, now you can stop and let the idea balls drop. " > > > > > > Maybe, someday, > > > > you'll just get tired, and stop doing that with > > your > > > > mind, or the > > > > mind. > > > > > If it could only simplify itself for you, what a > > > > relief! Maybe > > > > like this: > > > > > > > > > > Phil, I am life itself and you are my > > expression. > > > > Just relax and > > > > enjoy being who you are instead of trying to > > figure > > > > out who you > > > > are. You are of me, my expression so just let it > > go, > > > > you cannot > > > > figure it out because I am what you are trying to > > > > grasp, and I am > > > > ungrasable. You are not able to figure out who I > > am > > > > because you are > > > > who I am, and you cannot look back into the > > process of > > > > existence or > > > > being. It is impossible. You cannot flow or see > > > > backwards into me > > > > while I am being you. You have to just live and > > move > > > > into the > > > > moment and chose according to your nature. Eat > > some > > > > food, love > > > > someone, have a few thousand orgasims, fight > > against > > > > the bad guys or > > > > even be a bad guy, your choice. Try to figure out > > > > what is ahead of > > > > you rather than what is producing you. I am > > producing > > > > you, Life, > > > > Consciousness, Eternal Wisdom, the Universal Self. > > > > Don't worry about > > > > it anymore. Your existence is in good hands, my > > > > hands, so to > > > > speak. I am living as you, through you so relax > > and > > > > live fully. > > > > > That's it. No more needs to be said. Change the > > > > subject, talk > > > > about something else for a change. > > > > > > > > > > Love and Light, > > > > > > > > > > Larry Epstn > > > > > > > > ************ > > > > > > > > Larry, > > > > > > > > If Mother Earth could speak, I believe She would > > say > > > > exactly what > > > > you just did. I just want you to know that I > > totally > > > > agree with > > > > it. So, thank you, sincerely. I think it's the > > best > > > > thing I've > > > > read here so far. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes indeed. > > > > > > That is all very comforting. > > > > > > It makes my self all warm and cozy. > > > > > > Like the Disiderata did when I first heard it. > > > > > > It makes me feel like my granddaughter must feel > > when she holds her > > pink blanket to her > > > cheek....slips her thumb into her mouth.....and > > gazes off into the > > distance. > > > > > > Yes..Yea..Yay. That's IT! Being There. Would that > > all could be > > there and be SILENT in the awe of it. > > .....bob > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Well..after you, Toomb..Bob.. > > > > > > > > > > Just before the edge of the known world.......surrounding the city is is large sugarcane > field......Most of the children get stuck there in the heavy sweetness..... and never reach > the prize in time. > > > > toombaru > There's a prize? I'm surprized!..superprized surprized! ........bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > > > I don't need anything from anyone. Nobody's words here are any more useful > to me than mine are to them. All the words are, at best, one individual's > exploration that has nothing to do with me, or at worst, a set of projections, > fears and an attempt to get me to struggle with your own ignorance. Nobody > listens to anyone else, and you're not supposed to. You're supposed to be > listening to yourself, > > Phil > Reading those words confirms the feeling I had about the purpose of your retreat, Phil. But of course this says nothing about you and everything about me, and you don´t need anything from anybody ;-) Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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