As Promised: War and Animals ::true thoughts, lies and videotape

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" To be nonviolent to human beings and to be a killer or enemy of the

poor animals is Satan's philosophy. In this age there is always

enmity against poor animals, and therefore the poor creatures are

always anxious. The reaction of the poor animals is being forced on

human society, and therefore there is always strain of cold or hot

war between men, individually, collectively or nationally. "

A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada,

in Srimad-Bhagavatam (1.10.6)

 

 

" Every act of irreverence for life, every act which neglects life,

which is indifferent to and wastes life, is a step towards the love

of death. This choice man must make at every minute. Never were the

consequences of the wrong choice as total and as irreversible as they

are today. Never was the warning of the Bible so urgent: `I have put

before you life and death, blessing and curse. Choose life, that you

and your children may live.'

(Deuteronomy 30:19) " Erich Fromm

 

" To avoid causing terror to living beings, let the disciple refrain

from eating meat... the food of the wise is that which is consumed by

the sadhus [holymen]; it does not consist of meat... There may be

some foolish people in the future who will say that I permitted meat-

eating and that I partook of meat myself, but... meat-eating I have

not permitted to anyone, I do not permit, I will not permit meat-

eating in any form, in any manner and in any place; it is

unconditionally prohibited for

all. "

The Buddha in Dhammapada

 

Beings which kill others should not be killed in the belief that the

destruction of one of them leads to the protection of many others.

Purushartha Siddhyupaya

(Jainism)

 

Those who have forsaken the killing of all; those who are helpmates

to all; those who are a sanctuary to all; those men are in the way of

heaven.

Hitopadesa (Hindu)

 

But for the sake of some little mouthful of flesh we deprive a soul

of the sun and light, and of that proportion of life and time it had

been born into the world to enjoy.

Plutarch

 

 

Fishing is a pleasure of retirement, yet the angler has the power to

let the fish live or die.

Hung Tzu-ch'eng

(Now wait a minute! Even J.C. ate fishies while fishing for men..bn)

 

 

The very emphasis of the commandment: Thou shalt not kill, makes it

certain that we are descended from an endlessly long chain of

generations of murderers, whose love of murder was in their blood as

it is perhaps also in ours.

Sigmund Freud

 

 

While we ourselves are the living graves of murdered beasts, how can

we expect any ideal conditions on this earth?

George Bernard Shaw

 

" I do not want to make my stomach a graveyard of dead animals. "

George Bernard Shaw

 

" I'm no shrinking violet. I played hockey until half my teeth were

knocked down my throat. And I'm extremely competitive on a tennis

court. . . But that experience at the slaughterhouse overwhelmed me.

When I walked out of there, I knew I would never again harm an

animal! I knew all the physiological, economic, and ecological

arguments supporting vegetarianism, but it was firsthand experience

of man's cruelty to animals that laid the real groundwork for my

commitment to vegetarianism. "

Peter Burwash(champion tennis player)

(Dr.Tempel Grandin autistic genius designs better methods of

slaughter for MacDonalds and Co. So who knows eh?..bn)

 

Which brings us back to Pluto

 

" If you declare that you are naturally designed for such a diet, then

first kill for yourself what you want to eat. Do it, however, only

through your own resources, unaided by cleaver or cudgel or any kind

of ax. "

Plutarch, in an essay " On Eating Flesh " .

 

We are digressing here to vegetarianism as a solo theme. Not my

intent, as I'm not among the group, though would that I were. And

besides, I could have done 12 individual posts on this theme. Dang! I

better smahten up and stop losin' ground to that there Silver feller.

...............bob

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111

wrote:

>

> " To be nonviolent to human beings and to be a killer or enemy of

the

> poor animals is Satan's philosophy. In this age there is always

> enmity against poor animals, and therefore the poor creatures are

> always anxious. The reaction of the poor animals is being forced

on

> human society, and therefore there is always strain of cold or hot

> war between men, individually, collectively or nationally. "

> A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada,

> in Srimad-Bhagavatam (1.10.6)

>

>

> " Every act of irreverence for life, every act which neglects life,

> which is indifferent to and wastes life, is a step towards the

love

> of death. This choice man must make at every minute. Never were

the

> consequences of the wrong choice as total and as irreversible as

they

> are today. Never was the warning of the Bible so urgent: `I have

put

> before you life and death, blessing and curse. Choose life, that

you

> and your children may live.'

> (Deuteronomy 30:19) " Erich Fromm

>

> " To avoid causing terror to living beings, let the disciple

refrain

> from eating meat... the food of the wise is that which is consumed

by

> the sadhus [holymen]; it does not consist of meat... There may be

> some foolish people in the future who will say that I permitted

meat-

> eating and that I partook of meat myself, but... meat-eating I

have

> not permitted to anyone, I do not permit, I will not permit meat-

> eating in any form, in any manner and in any place; it is

> unconditionally prohibited for

> all. "

> The Buddha in Dhammapada

>

> Beings which kill others should not be killed in the belief that

the

> destruction of one of them leads to the protection of many others.

> Purushartha Siddhyupaya

> (Jainism)

>

> Those who have forsaken the killing of all; those who are

helpmates

> to all; those who are a sanctuary to all; those men are in the way

of

> heaven.

> Hitopadesa (Hindu)

>

> But for the sake of some little mouthful of flesh we deprive a

soul

> of the sun and light, and of that proportion of life and time it

had

> been born into the world to enjoy.

> Plutarch

>

>

> Fishing is a pleasure of retirement, yet the angler has the power

to

> let the fish live or die.

> Hung Tzu-ch'eng

> (Now wait a minute! Even J.C. ate fishies while fishing for

men..bn)

>

>

> The very emphasis of the commandment: Thou shalt not kill, makes

it

> certain that we are descended from an endlessly long chain of

> generations of murderers, whose love of murder was in their blood

as

> it is perhaps also in ours.

> Sigmund Freud

>

>

> While we ourselves are the living graves of murdered beasts, how

can

> we expect any ideal conditions on this earth?

> George Bernard Shaw

>

> " I do not want to make my stomach a graveyard of dead animals. "

> George Bernard Shaw

>

> " I'm no shrinking violet. I played hockey until half my teeth

were

> knocked down my throat. And I'm extremely competitive on a tennis

> court. . . But that experience at the slaughterhouse overwhelmed

me.

> When I walked out of there, I knew I would never again harm an

> animal! I knew all the physiological, economic, and ecological

> arguments supporting vegetarianism, but it was firsthand

experience

> of man's cruelty to animals that laid the real groundwork for my

> commitment to vegetarianism. "

> Peter Burwash(champion tennis player)

> (Dr.Tempel Grandin autistic genius designs better methods of

> slaughter for MacDonalds and Co. So who knows eh?..bn)

>

> Which brings us back to Pluto

>

> " If you declare that you are naturally designed for such a diet,

then

> first kill for yourself what you want to eat. Do it, however, only

> through your own resources, unaided by cleaver or cudgel or any

kind

> of ax. "

> Plutarch, in an essay " On Eating Flesh " .

>

> We are digressing here to vegetarianism as a solo theme. Not my

> intent, as I'm not among the group, though would that I were. And

> besides, I could have done 12 individual posts on this theme.

Dang! I

> better smahten up and stop losin' ground to that there Silver

feller.

> ...............bob

>

 

 

So after all these quotes you´re still not vegetarian? Maybe you

should visit a slaughterhouse? Or kill an animal with your hands and

eat it?

 

Len

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111@>

> wrote:

> >

> > " To be nonviolent to human beings and to be a killer or enemy of

> the

> > poor animals is Satan's philosophy. In this age there is always

> > enmity against poor animals, and therefore the poor creatures are

> > always anxious. The reaction of the poor animals is being forced

> on

> > human society, and therefore there is always strain of cold or

hot

> > war between men, individually, collectively or nationally. "

> > A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada,

> > in Srimad-Bhagavatam (1.10.6)

> >

> >

> > " Every act of irreverence for life, every act which neglects

life,

> > which is indifferent to and wastes life, is a step towards the

> love

> > of death. This choice man must make at every minute. Never were

> the

> > consequences of the wrong choice as total and as irreversible as

> they

> > are today. Never was the warning of the Bible so urgent: `I have

> put

> > before you life and death, blessing and curse. Choose life, that

> you

> > and your children may live.'

> > (Deuteronomy 30:19) " Erich Fromm

> >

> > " To avoid causing terror to living beings, let the disciple

> refrain

> > from eating meat... the food of the wise is that which is

consumed

> by

> > the sadhus [holymen]; it does not consist of meat... There may be

> > some foolish people in the future who will say that I permitted

> meat-

> > eating and that I partook of meat myself, but... meat-eating I

> have

> > not permitted to anyone, I do not permit, I will not permit meat-

> > eating in any form, in any manner and in any place; it is

> > unconditionally prohibited for

> > all. "

> > The Buddha in Dhammapada

> >

> > Beings which kill others should not be killed in the belief that

> the

> > destruction of one of them leads to the protection of many others.

> > Purushartha Siddhyupaya

> > (Jainism)

> >

> > Those who have forsaken the killing of all; those who are

> helpmates

> > to all; those who are a sanctuary to all; those men are in the

way

> of

> > heaven.

> > Hitopadesa (Hindu)

> >

> > But for the sake of some little mouthful of flesh we deprive a

> soul

> > of the sun and light, and of that proportion of life and time it

> had

> > been born into the world to enjoy.

> > Plutarch

> >

> >

> > Fishing is a pleasure of retirement, yet the angler has the power

> to

> > let the fish live or die.

> > Hung Tzu-ch'eng

> > (Now wait a minute! Even J.C. ate fishies while fishing for

> men..bn)

> >

> >

> > The very emphasis of the commandment: Thou shalt not kill, makes

> it

> > certain that we are descended from an endlessly long chain of

> > generations of murderers, whose love of murder was in their blood

> as

> > it is perhaps also in ours.

> > Sigmund Freud

> >

> >

> > While we ourselves are the living graves of murdered beasts, how

> can

> > we expect any ideal conditions on this earth?

> > George Bernard Shaw

> >

> > " I do not want to make my stomach a graveyard of dead animals. "

> > George Bernard Shaw

> >

> > " I'm no shrinking violet. I played hockey until half my teeth

> were

> > knocked down my throat. And I'm extremely competitive on a tennis

> > court. . . But that experience at the slaughterhouse overwhelmed

> me.

> > When I walked out of there, I knew I would never again harm an

> > animal! I knew all the physiological, economic, and ecological

> > arguments supporting vegetarianism, but it was firsthand

> experience

> > of man's cruelty to animals that laid the real groundwork for my

> > commitment to vegetarianism. "

> > Peter Burwash(champion tennis player)

> > (Dr.Tempel Grandin autistic genius designs better methods of

> > slaughter for MacDonalds and Co. So who knows eh?..bn)

> >

> > Which brings us back to Pluto

> >

> > " If you declare that you are naturally designed for such a diet,

> then

> > first kill for yourself what you want to eat. Do it, however,

only

> > through your own resources, unaided by cleaver or cudgel or any

> kind

> > of ax. "

> > Plutarch, in an essay " On Eating Flesh " .

> >

> > We are digressing here to vegetarianism as a solo theme. Not my

> > intent, as I'm not among the group, though would that I were. And

> > besides, I could have done 12 individual posts on this theme.

> Dang! I

> > better smahten up and stop losin' ground to that there Silver

> feller.

> > ...............bob

> >

>

>

> So after all these quotes you´re still not vegetarian? Maybe you

> should visit a slaughterhouse? Or kill an animal with your hands

and

> eat it?

>

> Len

>

Are you vegen len?

bob

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > " To be nonviolent to human beings and to be a killer or enemy

of

> > the

> > > poor animals is Satan's philosophy. In this age there is

always

> > > enmity against poor animals, and therefore the poor creatures

are

> > > always anxious. The reaction of the poor animals is being

forced

> > on

> > > human society, and therefore there is always strain of cold or

> hot

> > > war between men, individually, collectively or nationally. "

> > > A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada,

> > > in Srimad-Bhagavatam (1.10.6)

> > >

> > >

> > > " Every act of irreverence for life, every act which neglects

> life,

> > > which is indifferent to and wastes life, is a step towards the

> > love

> > > of death. This choice man must make at every minute. Never

were

> > the

> > > consequences of the wrong choice as total and as irreversible

as

> > they

> > > are today. Never was the warning of the Bible so urgent: `I

have

> > put

> > > before you life and death, blessing and curse. Choose life,

that

> > you

> > > and your children may live.'

> > > (Deuteronomy 30:19) " Erich Fromm

> > >

> > > " To avoid causing terror to living beings, let the disciple

> > refrain

> > > from eating meat... the food of the wise is that which is

> consumed

> > by

> > > the sadhus [holymen]; it does not consist of meat... There may

be

> > > some foolish people in the future who will say that I

permitted

> > meat-

> > > eating and that I partook of meat myself, but... meat-eating I

> > have

> > > not permitted to anyone, I do not permit, I will not permit

meat-

> > > eating in any form, in any manner and in any place; it is

> > > unconditionally prohibited for

> > > all. "

> > > The Buddha in Dhammapada

> > >

> > > Beings which kill others should not be killed in the belief

that

> > the

> > > destruction of one of them leads to the protection of many

others.

> > > Purushartha Siddhyupaya

> > > (Jainism)

> > >

> > > Those who have forsaken the killing of all; those who are

> > helpmates

> > > to all; those who are a sanctuary to all; those men are in the

> way

> > of

> > > heaven.

> > > Hitopadesa (Hindu)

> > >

> > > But for the sake of some little mouthful of flesh we deprive a

> > soul

> > > of the sun and light, and of that proportion of life and time

it

> > had

> > > been born into the world to enjoy.

> > > Plutarch

> > >

> > >

> > > Fishing is a pleasure of retirement, yet the angler has the

power

> > to

> > > let the fish live or die.

> > > Hung Tzu-ch'eng

> > > (Now wait a minute! Even J.C. ate fishies while fishing for

> > men..bn)

> > >

> > >

> > > The very emphasis of the commandment: Thou shalt not kill,

makes

> > it

> > > certain that we are descended from an endlessly long chain of

> > > generations of murderers, whose love of murder was in their

blood

> > as

> > > it is perhaps also in ours.

> > > Sigmund Freud

> > >

> > >

> > > While we ourselves are the living graves of murdered beasts,

how

> > can

> > > we expect any ideal conditions on this earth?

> > > George Bernard Shaw

> > >

> > > " I do not want to make my stomach a graveyard of dead animals. "

> > > George Bernard Shaw

> > >

> > > " I'm no shrinking violet. I played hockey until half my teeth

> > were

> > > knocked down my throat. And I'm extremely competitive on a

tennis

> > > court. . . But that experience at the slaughterhouse

overwhelmed

> > me.

> > > When I walked out of there, I knew I would never again harm an

> > > animal! I knew all the physiological, economic, and ecological

> > > arguments supporting vegetarianism, but it was firsthand

> > experience

> > > of man's cruelty to animals that laid the real groundwork for

my

> > > commitment to vegetarianism. "

> > > Peter Burwash(champion tennis player)

> > > (Dr.Tempel Grandin autistic genius designs better methods of

> > > slaughter for MacDonalds and Co. So who knows eh?..bn)

> > >

> > > Which brings us back to Pluto

> > >

> > > " If you declare that you are naturally designed for such a

diet,

> > then

> > > first kill for yourself what you want to eat. Do it, however,

> only

> > > through your own resources, unaided by cleaver or cudgel or

any

> > kind

> > > of ax. "

> > > Plutarch, in an essay " On Eating Flesh " .

> > >

> > > We are digressing here to vegetarianism as a solo theme. Not

my

> > > intent, as I'm not among the group, though would that I were.

And

> > > besides, I could have done 12 individual posts on this theme.

> > Dang! I

> > > better smahten up and stop losin' ground to that there Silver

> > feller.

> > > ...............bob

> > >

> >

> >

> > So after all these quotes you´re still not vegetarian? Maybe you

> > should visit a slaughterhouse? Or kill an animal with your hands

> and

> > eat it?

> >

> > Len

> >

> Are you vegen len?

> bob

 

 

Vegetarian diet, not vegan.

Once you get used to it: easy and delicious.

 

Len

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > " To be nonviolent to human beings and to be a killer or enemy

> of

> > > the

> > > > poor animals is Satan's philosophy. In this age there is

> always

> > > > enmity against poor animals, and therefore the poor creatures

> are

> > > > always anxious. The reaction of the poor animals is being

> forced

> > > on

> > > > human society, and therefore there is always strain of cold

or

> > hot

> > > > war between men, individually, collectively or nationally. "

> > > > A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada,

> > > > in Srimad-Bhagavatam (1.10.6)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > " Every act of irreverence for life, every act which neglects

> > life,

> > > > which is indifferent to and wastes life, is a step towards

the

> > > love

> > > > of death. This choice man must make at every minute. Never

> were

> > > the

> > > > consequences of the wrong choice as total and as irreversible

> as

> > > they

> > > > are today. Never was the warning of the Bible so urgent: `I

> have

> > > put

> > > > before you life and death, blessing and curse. Choose life,

> that

> > > you

> > > > and your children may live.'

> > > > (Deuteronomy 30:19) " Erich Fromm

> > > >

> > > > " To avoid causing terror to living beings, let the disciple

> > > refrain

> > > > from eating meat... the food of the wise is that which is

> > consumed

> > > by

> > > > the sadhus [holymen]; it does not consist of meat... There

may

> be

> > > > some foolish people in the future who will say that I

> permitted

> > > meat-

> > > > eating and that I partook of meat myself, but... meat-eating

I

> > > have

> > > > not permitted to anyone, I do not permit, I will not permit

> meat-

> > > > eating in any form, in any manner and in any place; it is

> > > > unconditionally prohibited for

> > > > all. "

> > > > The Buddha in Dhammapada

> > > >

> > > > Beings which kill others should not be killed in the belief

> that

> > > the

> > > > destruction of one of them leads to the protection of many

> others.

> > > > Purushartha Siddhyupaya

> > > > (Jainism)

> > > >

> > > > Those who have forsaken the killing of all; those who are

> > > helpmates

> > > > to all; those who are a sanctuary to all; those men are in

the

> > way

> > > of

> > > > heaven.

> > > > Hitopadesa (Hindu)

> > > >

> > > > But for the sake of some little mouthful of flesh we deprive

a

> > > soul

> > > > of the sun and light, and of that proportion of life and time

> it

> > > had

> > > > been born into the world to enjoy.

> > > > Plutarch

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Fishing is a pleasure of retirement, yet the angler has the

> power

> > > to

> > > > let the fish live or die.

> > > > Hung Tzu-ch'eng

> > > > (Now wait a minute! Even J.C. ate fishies while fishing for

> > > men..bn)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > The very emphasis of the commandment: Thou shalt not kill,

> makes

> > > it

> > > > certain that we are descended from an endlessly long chain of

> > > > generations of murderers, whose love of murder was in their

> blood

> > > as

> > > > it is perhaps also in ours.

> > > > Sigmund Freud

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > While we ourselves are the living graves of murdered beasts,

> how

> > > can

> > > > we expect any ideal conditions on this earth?

> > > > George Bernard Shaw

> > > >

> > > > " I do not want to make my stomach a graveyard of dead

animals. "

> > > > George Bernard Shaw

> > > >

> > > > " I'm no shrinking violet. I played hockey until half my

teeth

> > > were

> > > > knocked down my throat. And I'm extremely competitive on a

> tennis

> > > > court. . . But that experience at the slaughterhouse

> overwhelmed

> > > me.

> > > > When I walked out of there, I knew I would never again harm

an

> > > > animal! I knew all the physiological, economic, and

ecological

> > > > arguments supporting vegetarianism, but it was firsthand

> > > experience

> > > > of man's cruelty to animals that laid the real groundwork for

> my

> > > > commitment to vegetarianism. "

> > > > Peter Burwash(champion tennis player)

> > > > (Dr.Tempel Grandin autistic genius designs better methods of

> > > > slaughter for MacDonalds and Co. So who knows eh?..bn)

> > > >

> > > > Which brings us back to Pluto

> > > >

> > > > " If you declare that you are naturally designed for such a

> diet,

> > > then

> > > > first kill for yourself what you want to eat. Do it, however,

> > only

> > > > through your own resources, unaided by cleaver or cudgel or

> any

> > > kind

> > > > of ax. "

> > > > Plutarch, in an essay " On Eating Flesh " .

> > > >

> > > > We are digressing here to vegetarianism as a solo theme. Not

> my

> > > > intent, as I'm not among the group, though would that I were.

> And

> > > > besides, I could have done 12 individual posts on this theme.

> > > Dang! I

> > > > better smahten up and stop losin' ground to that there Silver

> > > feller.

> > > > ...............bob

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > So after all these quotes you´re still not vegetarian? Maybe

you

> > > should visit a slaughterhouse? Or kill an animal with your

hands

> > and

> > > eat it?

> > >

> > > Len

> > >

> > Are you vegen len?

> > bob

>

>

> Vegetarian diet, not vegan.

> Once you get used to it: easy and delicious.

>

> Len

>

Actually, I am working on it. Grains.veggies.fruits.And baked goods.

OH the Baked GOODS! Seriously though, I applaud you. I want this to

be a way of life for me as well. That's why the posts..a self

reminder and reflection as much as anything. I got off on this

tangent from the quote on racism of Bob Marley, posted by Silver. It

set in motion a caravan of intellections as to why, in considering

this awful war, as all wars are, we would ONLY think of the differing

races of men. That idea seems to me to give short shift of a complete

analysis. We are many types of being. Being human of any caste,

colour, creed, persuasion(religious or otherwise) or ethnicity, is

not necessarily the only consideration.IMHO.

For now I'm chillin' wantin' to be vegan...bob

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111

wrote:

 

> Actually, I am working on it. Grains.veggies.fruits.And baked

goods.

> OH the Baked GOODS!

 

 

What about French fries?

So delicious, so unhealthy and so veggie ;-)

 

 

 

> Seriously though, I applaud you. I want this to

> be a way of life for me as well.

 

 

 

It´s always good to hear.

After few weeks it´s really easy, just a matter of a new habit.

The most difficult is the social part: friends, family.

But who cares about them ;-)

 

 

 

 

>That's why the post

s..a self

> reminder and reflection as much as anything. I got off on this

> tangent from the quote on racism of Bob Marley, posted by Silver.

It

> set in motion a caravan of intellections as to why, in considering

> this awful war, as all wars are, we would ONLY think of the

differing

> races of men. That idea seems to me to give short shift of a

complete

> analysis. We are many types of being. Being human of any caste,

> colour, creed, persuasion(religious or otherwise) or ethnicity, is

> not necessarily the only consideration.IMHO.

 

 

 

We are so self-centred that it´s hard for us to realize that we

arent´t more important and superiour to other species.

 

 

 

> For now I'm chillin' wantin' to be vegan...bob

>

 

Enjoy.

 

Len

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 "

<lissbon2002@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > " To be nonviolent to human beings and to be a killer or

enemy

> of

> > > the

> > > > poor animals is Satan's philosophy. In this age there is

> always

> > > > enmity against poor animals, and therefore the poor

creatures

> are

> > > > always anxious. The reaction of the poor animals is being

> forced

> > > on

> > > > human society, and therefore there is always strain of cold

or

> > hot

> > > > war between men, individually, collectively or nationally. "

> > > > A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada,

> > > > in Srimad-Bhagavatam (1.10.6)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > " Every act of irreverence for life, every act which neglects

> > life,

> > > > which is indifferent to and wastes life, is a step towards

the

> > > love

> > > > of death. This choice man must make at every minute. Never

> were

> > > the

> > > > consequences of the wrong choice as total and as

irreversible

> as

> > > they

> > > > are today. Never was the warning of the Bible so urgent: `I

> have

> > > put

> > > > before you life and death, blessing and curse. Choose life,

> that

> > > you

> > > > and your children may live.'

> > > > (Deuteronomy 30:19) " Erich Fromm

> > > >

> > > > " To avoid causing terror to living beings, let the disciple

> > > refrain

> > > > from eating meat... the food of the wise is that which is

> > consumed

> > > by

> > > > the sadhus [holymen]; it does not consist of meat... There

may

> be

> > > > some foolish people in the future who will say that I

> permitted

> > > meat-

> > > > eating and that I partook of meat myself, but... meat-eating

I

> > > have

> > > > not permitted to anyone, I do not permit, I will not permit

> meat-

> > > > eating in any form, in any manner and in any place; it is

> > > > unconditionally prohibited for

> > > > all. "

> > > > The Buddha in Dhammapada

> > > >

> > > > Beings which kill others should not be killed in the belief

> that

> > > the

> > > > destruction of one of them leads to the protection of many

> others.

> > > > Purushartha Siddhyupaya

> > > > (Jainism)

> > > >

> > > > Those who have forsaken the killing of all; those who are

> > > helpmates

> > > > to all; those who are a sanctuary to all; those men are in

the

> > way

> > > of

> > > > heaven.

> > > > Hitopadesa (Hindu)

> > > >

> > > > But for the sake of some little mouthful of flesh we deprive

a

> > > soul

> > > > of the sun and light, and of that proportion of life and

time

> it

> > > had

> > > > been born into the world to enjoy.

> > > > Plutarch

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Fishing is a pleasure of retirement, yet the angler has the

> power

> > > to

> > > > let the fish live or die.

> > > > Hung Tzu-ch'eng

> > > > (Now wait a minute! Even J.C. ate fishies while fishing

for

> > > men..bn)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > The very emphasis of the commandment: Thou shalt not kill,

> makes

> > > it

> > > > certain that we are descended from an endlessly long chain

of

> > > > generations of murderers, whose love of murder was in their

> blood

> > > as

> > > > it is perhaps also in ours.

> > > > Sigmund Freud

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > While we ourselves are the living graves of murdered beasts,

> how

> > > can

> > > > we expect any ideal conditions on this earth?

> > > > George Bernard Shaw

> > > >

> > > > " I do not want to make my stomach a graveyard of dead

animals. "

> > > > George Bernard Shaw

> > > >

> > > > " I'm no shrinking violet. I played hockey until half my

teeth

> > > were

> > > > knocked down my throat. And I'm extremely competitive on a

> tennis

> > > > court. . . But that experience at the slaughterhouse

> overwhelmed

> > > me.

> > > > When I walked out of there, I knew I would never again harm

an

> > > > animal! I knew all the physiological, economic, and

ecological

> > > > arguments supporting vegetarianism, but it was firsthand

> > > experience

> > > > of man's cruelty to animals that laid the real groundwork

for

> my

> > > > commitment to vegetarianism. "

> > > > Peter Burwash(champion tennis player)

> > > > (Dr.Tempel Grandin autistic genius designs better methods of

> > > > slaughter for MacDonalds and Co. So who knows eh?..bn)

> > > >

> > > > Which brings us back to Pluto

> > > >

> > > > " If you declare that you are naturally designed for such a

> diet,

> > > then

> > > > first kill for yourself what you want to eat. Do it,

however,

> > only

> > > > through your own resources, unaided by cleaver or cudgel or

> any

> > > kind

> > > > of ax. "

> > > > Plutarch, in an essay " On Eating Flesh " .

> > > >

> > > > We are digressing here to vegetarianism as a solo theme. Not

> my

> > > > intent, as I'm not among the group, though would that I

were.

> And

> > > > besides, I could have done 12 individual posts on this

theme.

> > > Dang! I

> > > > better smahten up and stop losin' ground to that there

Silver

> > > feller.

> > > > ...............bob

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > So after all these quotes you´re still not vegetarian? Maybe

you

> > > should visit a slaughterhouse? Or kill an animal with your

hands

> > and

> > > eat it?

> > >

> > > Len

> > >

> > Are you vegen len?

> > bob

>

>

> Vegetarian diet, not vegan.

> Once you get used to it: easy and delicious.

>

> Len

>

 

*************

 

I'll vouch for that. My girlfriend is vegetarian and I love

whatever she cooks. It's actually making me realize I don't need

meat anymore. Tofu and Soy really aren't that bad. I'm getting

used to them.

 

" Silver "

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 "

<lissbon2002@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Bob N. "

<Roberibus111@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > " To be nonviolent to human beings and to be a killer or

enemy

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > poor animals is Satan's philosophy. In this age there is

> > always

> > > > > enmity against poor animals, and therefore the poor

creatures

> > are

> > > > > always anxious. The reaction of the poor animals is being

> > forced

> > > > on

> > > > > human society, and therefore there is always strain of

cold

> or

> > > hot

> > > > > war between men, individually, collectively or

nationally. "

> > > > > A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada,

> > > > > in Srimad-Bhagavatam (1.10.6)

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > " Every act of irreverence for life, every act which

neglects

> > > life,

> > > > > which is indifferent to and wastes life, is a step towards

> the

> > > > love

> > > > > of death. This choice man must make at every minute. Never

> > were

> > > > the

> > > > > consequences of the wrong choice as total and as

irreversible

> > as

> > > > they

> > > > > are today. Never was the warning of the Bible so urgent:

`I

> > have

> > > > put

> > > > > before you life and death, blessing and curse. Choose

life,

> > that

> > > > you

> > > > > and your children may live.'

> > > > > (Deuteronomy 30:19) " Erich Fromm

> > > > >

> > > > > " To avoid causing terror to living beings, let the

disciple

> > > > refrain

> > > > > from eating meat... the food of the wise is that which is

> > > consumed

> > > > by

> > > > > the sadhus [holymen]; it does not consist of meat... There

> may

> > be

> > > > > some foolish people in the future who will say that I

> > permitted

> > > > meat-

> > > > > eating and that I partook of meat myself, but... meat-

eating

> I

> > > > have

> > > > > not permitted to anyone, I do not permit, I will not

permit

> > meat-

> > > > > eating in any form, in any manner and in any place; it is

> > > > > unconditionally prohibited for

> > > > > all. "

> > > > > The Buddha in Dhammapada

> > > > >

> > > > > Beings which kill others should not be killed in the

belief

> > that

> > > > the

> > > > > destruction of one of them leads to the protection of many

> > others.

> > > > > Purushartha Siddhyupaya

> > > > > (Jainism)

> > > > >

> > > > > Those who have forsaken the killing of all; those who are

> > > > helpmates

> > > > > to all; those who are a sanctuary to all; those men are in

> the

> > > way

> > > > of

> > > > > heaven.

> > > > > Hitopadesa (Hindu)

> > > > >

> > > > > But for the sake of some little mouthful of flesh we

deprive

> a

> > > > soul

> > > > > of the sun and light, and of that proportion of life and

time

> > it

> > > > had

> > > > > been born into the world to enjoy.

> > > > > Plutarch

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Fishing is a pleasure of retirement, yet the angler has

the

> > power

> > > > to

> > > > > let the fish live or die.

> > > > > Hung Tzu-ch'eng

> > > > > (Now wait a minute! Even J.C. ate fishies while fishing

for

> > > > men..bn)

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > The very emphasis of the commandment: Thou shalt not kill,

> > makes

> > > > it

> > > > > certain that we are descended from an endlessly long chain

of

> > > > > generations of murderers, whose love of murder was in

their

> > blood

> > > > as

> > > > > it is perhaps also in ours.

> > > > > Sigmund Freud

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > While we ourselves are the living graves of murdered

beasts,

> > how

> > > > can

> > > > > we expect any ideal conditions on this earth?

> > > > > George Bernard Shaw

> > > > >

> > > > > " I do not want to make my stomach a graveyard of dead

> animals. "

> > > > > George Bernard Shaw

> > > > >

> > > > > " I'm no shrinking violet. I played hockey until half my

> teeth

> > > > were

> > > > > knocked down my throat. And I'm extremely competitive on a

> > tennis

> > > > > court. . . But that experience at the slaughterhouse

> > overwhelmed

> > > > me.

> > > > > When I walked out of there, I knew I would never again

harm

> an

> > > > > animal! I knew all the physiological, economic, and

> ecological

> > > > > arguments supporting vegetarianism, but it was firsthand

> > > > experience

> > > > > of man's cruelty to animals that laid the real groundwork

for

> > my

> > > > > commitment to vegetarianism. "

> > > > > Peter Burwash(champion tennis player)

> > > > > (Dr.Tempel Grandin autistic genius designs better methods

of

> > > > > slaughter for MacDonalds and Co. So who knows eh?..bn)

> > > > >

> > > > > Which brings us back to Pluto

> > > > >

> > > > > " If you declare that you are naturally designed for such a

> > diet,

> > > > then

> > > > > first kill for yourself what you want to eat. Do it,

however,

> > > only

> > > > > through your own resources, unaided by cleaver or cudgel

or

> > any

> > > > kind

> > > > > of ax. "

> > > > > Plutarch, in an essay " On Eating Flesh " .

> > > > >

> > > > > We are digressing here to vegetarianism as a solo theme.

Not

> > my

> > > > > intent, as I'm not among the group, though would that I

were.

> > And

> > > > > besides, I could have done 12 individual posts on this

theme.

> > > > Dang! I

> > > > > better smahten up and stop losin' ground to that there

Silver

> > > > feller.

> > > > > ...............bob

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > So after all these quotes you´re still not vegetarian? Maybe

> you

> > > > should visit a slaughterhouse? Or kill an animal with your

> hands

> > > and

> > > > eat it?

> > > >

> > > > Len

> > > >

> > > Are you vegen len?

> > > bob

> >

> >

> > Vegetarian diet, not vegan.

> > Once you get used to it: easy and delicious.

> >

> > Len

> >

> Actually, I am working on it. Grains.veggies.fruits.And baked

goods.

> OH the Baked GOODS! Seriously though, I applaud you. I want this

to

> be a way of life for me as well. That's why the posts..a self

> reminder and reflection as much as anything. I got off on this

> tangent from the quote on racism of Bob Marley, posted by Silver.

It

> set in motion a caravan of intellections as to why, in considering

> this awful war, as all wars are, we would ONLY think of the

differing

> races of men. That idea seems to me to give short shift of a

complete

> analysis. We are many types of being. Being human of any caste,

> colour, creed, persuasion(religious or otherwise) or ethnicity, is

> not necessarily the only consideration.IMHO.

> For now I'm chillin' wantin' to be vegan...bob

>

 

*************

 

It's quite an insight to see that we humans are inconsistent in our

ethics.

 

" Silver "

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-

1069 wrote:

 

> > Vegetarian diet, not vegan.

> > Once you get used to it: easy and delicious.

> >

> > Len

> >

>

> *************

>

> I'll vouch for that. My girlfriend is vegetarian and I love

> whatever she cooks. It's actually making me realize I don't need

> meat anymore. Tofu and Soy really aren't that bad. I'm getting

> used to them.

>

> " Silver "

 

 

You can also try quorn, which tastes like chicken and fantastic

veggie burgers. You almost don´t realize that it´s vegetarian.

And, funny, when I see non veggie meals now, they seem so poor

compared to what I eat.

 

Len

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-

1069 wrote:

 

 

> It's quite an insight to see that we humans are inconsistent in our

> ethics.

>

> " Silver "

>

 

 

It is so strange that it would never occur to us to eat our pet.

So it has something to do with contact, attention, friendship.

 

Len

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-

> 1069@> wrote:

>

> > > Vegetarian diet, not vegan.

> > > Once you get used to it: easy and delicious.

> > >

> > > Len

> > >

> >

> > *************

> >

> > I'll vouch for that. My girlfriend is vegetarian and I love

> > whatever she cooks. It's actually making me realize I don't

need

> > meat anymore. Tofu and Soy really aren't that bad. I'm getting

> > used to them.

> >

> > " Silver "

>

>

> You can also try quorn, which tastes like chicken and fantastic

> veggie burgers. You almost don´t realize that it´s vegetarian.

> And, funny, when I see non veggie meals now, they seem so poor

> compared to what I eat.

>

> Len

>

 

***********

 

Thanks, Len. I'll mention it to her. And it's true about meals

with meat. They do look and taste different now that I've been

introduced to vegetarianism. For me, it's the health factor.

Eating vegetarian style has made me more conscious of my health

overall. I don't smoke anymore and I eat better and i'm noticing a

huge difference.

 

" Silver "

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-

> 1069@> wrote:

>

>

> > It's quite an insight to see that we humans are inconsistent in

our

> > ethics.

> >

> > " Silver "

> >

>

>

> It is so strange that it would never occur to us to eat our pet.

> So it has something to do with contact, attention, friendship.

>

> Len

>

 

**************

 

Same goes for a pet plant?? I wonder....

 

 

" Silver "

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-

1069 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-

> > 1069@> wrote:

> >

> > > > Vegetarian diet, not vegan.

> > > > Once you get used to it: easy and delicious.

> > > >

> > > > Len

> > > >

> > >

> > > *************

> > >

> > > I'll vouch for that. My girlfriend is vegetarian and I love

> > > whatever she cooks. It's actually making me realize I don't

> need

> > > meat anymore. Tofu and Soy really aren't that bad. I'm

getting

> > > used to them.

> > >

> > > " Silver "

> >

> >

> > You can also try quorn, which tastes like chicken and fantastic

> > veggie burgers. You almost don´t realize that it´s vegetarian.

> > And, funny, when I see non veggie meals now, they seem so poor

> > compared to what I eat.

> >

> > Len

> >

>

> ***********

>

> Thanks, Len. I'll mention it to her. And it's true about meals

> with meat. They do look and taste different now that I've been

> introduced to vegetarianism. For me, it's the health factor.

> Eating vegetarian style has made me more conscious of my health

> overall. I don't smoke anymore and I eat better and i'm noticing

a

> huge difference.

>

> " Silver "

 

 

 

Nothing but advantages.

They say that if we ate plants instead feeding them to the animals

and eating them, the problem of famine in the world would be solved.

I´m not sure whether it´s true (there will be still a problem of

getting the food to those who are hungry) but it´s again an

important argument.

 

Len

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-

1069 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-

> > 1069@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > > It's quite an insight to see that we humans are inconsistent

in

> our

> > > ethics.

> > >

> > > " Silver "

> > >

> >

> >

> > It is so strange that it would never occur to us to eat our pet.

> > So it has something to do with contact, attention, friendship.

> >

> > Len

> >

>

> **************

>

> Same goes for a pet plant?? I wonder....

>

>

>

> " Silver "

 

 

No, I´m cruel with plants ;-)

Maybe if my sensitivity raises a litle bit higher, I´ll become a

fruitarian ;-)

 

Len

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-

> 1069@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 "

<lissbon2002@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-

> > > 1069@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > > It's quite an insight to see that we humans are inconsistent

> in

> > our

> > > > ethics.

> > > >

> > > > " Silver "

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > It is so strange that it would never occur to us to eat our

pet.

> > > So it has something to do with contact, attention, friendship.

> > >

> > > Len

> > >

> >

> > **************

> >

> > Same goes for a pet plant?? I wonder....

> >

> >

> >

> > " Silver "

>

>

> No, I´m cruel with plants ;-)

> Maybe if my sensitivity raises a litle bit higher, I´ll become a

> fruitarian ;-)

>

> Len

>

 

***********

 

It might be true that you are what you eat. In highschool I

ingested lots of cannabis and consequently behaved much like a plant

in the classroom; I behave like a nut sometimes and this is directly

attributable to my love for peanuts; I'd better back off the fruit

before I become one. Lol.

 

" Silver "

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-

1069 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-

> > 1069@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 "

> <lissbon2002@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 "

<silver-

> > > > 1069@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > It's quite an insight to see that we humans are

inconsistent

> > in

> > > our

> > > > > ethics.

> > > > >

> > > > > " Silver "

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > It is so strange that it would never occur to us to eat our

> pet.

> > > > So it has something to do with contact, attention,

friendship.

> > > >

> > > > Len

> > > >

> > >

> > > **************

> > >

> > > Same goes for a pet plant?? I wonder....

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > " Silver "

> >

> >

> > No, I´m cruel with plants ;-)

> > Maybe if my sensitivity raises a litle bit higher, I´ll become a

> > fruitarian ;-)

> >

> > Len

> >

>

> ***********

>

> It might be true that you are what you eat. In highschool I

> ingested lots of cannabis and consequently behaved much like a

plant

> in the classroom;

 

 

LOL!

 

 

> I behave like a nut sometimes and this is directly

> attributable to my love for peanuts; I'd better back off the fruit

> before I become one. Lol.

>

> " Silver "

 

 

Banana? ;-)