Guest guest Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 For life to exist this universe has to be exactly as it is. The slightest change in any of its many natural laws, and life would be impossible; therefore, say the believers, there must be a Creator. Not so, say unbeliever this perfection is due to chance. But to be due to chance, implies the existence of multiple, almost infinite numbers of universes. Chance can't be the result of a single throw, with such infinite odds, that would, certainly, be cheating. So it must be either God, or multiple universes. Take your pick, or flip a coin if you must. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 In a message dated 3/25/2006 9:12:17 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 19:32:40 -0800 Pete S <pedsie5 God or Chance? For life to exist this universe has to be exactly as it is. The slightest change in any of its many natural laws, and life would be impossible; therefore, say the believers, there must be a Creator. Not so, say unbeliever this perfection is due to chance. But to be due to chance, implies the existence of multiple, almost infinite numbers of universes. Chance can't be the result of a single throw, with such infinite odds, that would, certainly, be cheating. So it must be either God, or multiple universes. Take your pick, or flip a coin if you must. Pete This is a case of what I call, 'the third hand'. On the one hand, apparent precision implies intelligent design. On the other hand, complex order is included in the probabilities of random chance. On the third hand, the existence of a perfectly integrated system says nothing about the system except that it functions in harmony. An infinite number of systems can be imagined that could function in harmony. The design of the human body is not a constant in this theoretical system. Is it so that the human creature could only exist under these precise conditions, or could an infinite number of different human designs exist, each having their own set of 'perfect' circumstances taylored to support it's design? If there is an infinite set of 'ideal' scenarios for life to exist, what is the probability of one of them occurring randomly on the scale of millenia? It would be 100%. Life is inevitable. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 In a message dated 3/25/2006 9:54:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, ADHHUB writes: > In a message dated 3/25/2006 9:12:17 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Fri, 24 Mar 2006 19:32:40 -0800 > Pete S <pedsie5 > God or Chance? > > For life to exist this universe has to be > exactly as it is. The slightest change > in any of its many natural laws, and > life would be impossible; therefore, > say the believers, there must be a > Creator. Not so, say unbeliever this > perfection is due to chance. But to > be due to chance, implies the existence > of multiple, almost infinite numbers of > universes. Chance can't be the result > of a single throw, with such infinite odds, > that would, certainly, be cheating. > > So it must be either God, or multiple > universes. Take your pick, or flip a coin > if you must. > > Pete > > > > This is a case of what I call, 'the third hand'. On the one hand, apparent > precision implies intelligent design. On the other hand, complex order is > included in the probabilities of random chance. On the third hand, the > existence > of a perfectly integrated system says nothing about the system except that > it > functions in harmony. An infinite number of systems can be imagined that > could function in harmony. The design of the human body is not a constant > in this > theoretical system. > > Is it so that the human creature could only exist under these precise > conditions, or could an infinite number of different human designs exist, > each > having their own set of 'perfect' circumstances taylored to support it's > design? > If there is an infinite set of 'ideal' scenarios for life to exist, what is > the probability of one of them occurring randomly on the scale of > millenia? It > would be 100%. Life is inevitable. > L.E: This discussion reminds me of those who justify the huge expense of space exploration by claiming they want to determine when and how life or the universe began. Over and over you can read this given as the reasom. If you solve this problem and resolve the qestions and opinions above, what do you end up with? Answer: Absolutely nothing. If you are right or wrong, you end up with nothing. The correct answer will bring you no reward, and no answer will satisfy everyone so the search will go on with endless questions and answers adding up to nothing. Futility! What if God IS chance? Never mind. I'm not interested in your effort to answer. Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 3/25/2006 9:54:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, ADHHUB > writes: > > > In a message dated 3/25/2006 9:12:17 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > Fri, 24 Mar 2006 19:32:40 -0800 > > Pete S <pedsie5 > > God or Chance? > > > > For life to exist this universe has to be > > exactly as it is. The slightest change > > in any of its many natural laws, and > > life would be impossible; therefore, > > say the believers, there must be a > > Creator. Not so, say unbeliever this > > perfection is due to chance. But to > > be due to chance, implies the existence > > of multiple, almost infinite numbers of > > universes. Chance can't be the result > > of a single throw, with such infinite odds, > > that would, certainly, be cheating. > > > > So it must be either God, or multiple > > universes. Take your pick, or flip a coin > > if you must. > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > This is a case of what I call, 'the third hand'. On the one hand, apparent > > precision implies intelligent design. On the other hand, complex order is > > included in the probabilities of random chance. On the third hand, the > > existence > > of a perfectly integrated system says nothing about the system except that > > it > > functions in harmony. An infinite number of systems can be imagined that > > could function in harmony. The design of the human body is not a constant > > in this > > theoretical system. > > > > Is it so that the human creature could only exist under these precise > > conditions, or could an infinite number of different human designs exist, > > each > > having their own set of 'perfect' circumstances taylored to support it's > > design? > > If there is an infinite set of 'ideal' scenarios for life to exist, what is > > the probability of one of them occurring randomly on the scale of > > millenia? It > > would be 100%. Life is inevitable. > > > > L.E: This discussion reminds me of those who justify the huge expense of > space exploration by claiming they want to determine when and how life or the > universe began. Over and over you can read this given as the reasom. > If you solve this problem and resolve the qestions and opinions above, what > do you end up with? Answer: Absolutely nothing. If you are right or wrong, you > end up with nothing. The correct answer will bring you no reward, and no > answer will satisfy everyone so the search will go on with endless questions and > answers adding up to nothing. Futility! > What if God IS chance? Never mind. I'm not interested in your effort to > answer. > > Larry Epston > > You don't seem to be interested in anything but listening to your own inanities, in my non humle opinion which is not an opinion at all. That's the truth friend....bob > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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