Guest guest Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 In a message dated 3/25/2006 4:16:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, lissbon2002 writes: > Is your statement about karma this kind of " I don´t know " ? :-) > > Len > L.E: No. My sense of karma is like I said, I'm not aware of it in any part of my existence so it doesn't exist for me. If it exists for others, let them play it out. If it is an unproven belief, they can have it, I don't want it. I'm just not concerned. Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 In a message dated 3/25/2006 4:30:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, lissbon2002 writes: > The word " karma " is a part of a belief system. > But it´s a fact that different people are being born in very > different life situations, exposed to different kinds of > conditioning, abuse, good treatement. Two children of the same > parents have often very different character, people are also born > with special talents aso... > L.E: You seem very oblivious to genetic and DNA coding. There are four amino acids that are strung together in varying combinations. This accounts for all if not most individual difference. Today, there is no need for karma. You can see how it became the myth of choice for many as a false describption of reality. Larry Epston p.s. I come from a mostly Macrobiotic background. As a philosophy it contains lots of interesting ideas concerned with diet and food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 3/25/2006 4:16:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, > lissbon2002 writes: > > > Is your statement about karma this kind of " I don´t know " ? :-) > > > > Len > > > > L.E: No. My sense of karma is like I said, I'm not aware of it in any part of > my existence so it doesn't exist for me. If it exists for others, let them > play it out. > If it is an unproven belief, they can have it, I don't want it. I'm just not > concerned. > > Larry Epston The word " karma " is a part of a belief system. But it´s a fact that different people are being born in very different life situations, exposed to different kinds of conditioning, abuse, good treatement. Two children of the same parents have often very different character, people are also born with special talents aso... One may ask onself, is it just random " luck " , or is there some logic in it, are there some pre-conditions to ones life situation? When I ask myself that question, my answer is: i don´t know. That´s why I say that I don´t know whether there is such a thing as karma. There might be, there might be not. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 3/25/2006 4:30:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, > lissbon2002 writes: > > > The word " karma " is a part of a belief system. > > But it´s a fact that different people are being born in very > > different life situations, exposed to different kinds of > > conditioning, abuse, good treatement. Two children of the same > > parents have often very different character, people are also born > > with special talents aso... > > > > L.E: You seem very oblivious to genetic and DNA coding. There are four amino > acids that are strung together in varying combinations. This accounts for > all if not most individual difference. This doesn´t change nor explain anything. The question remains: is it random or isn´t it? I don´t know. > Today, there is no need for karma. You > can see how it became the myth of choice for many as a false describption of > reality. > > Larry Epston > > p.s. I come from a mostly Macrobiotic background. As a philosophy it > contains lots of interesting ideas concerned with diet and food. Yes, rather strict, disciplined, isn´t it. Len PS: One of my girlfriends was a fan of Macrobiotics. I could only stand it for 3 weeks ;-) Do you have a partner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 In a message dated 3/25/2006 12:49:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 13:41:13 EST epston Re: I Don't Know In a message dated 3/25/2006 10:21:20 AM Pacific Standard Time, lissbon2002 writes: > don´t believe there is karma, I don´t believe there isn´t. > I don´t know. > > len > > L.E: Just stay with " I don't know. " It takes a whole lifetime for some smart-ass wise guys to get to that point. You can live a full life with the few things you do know so don't be surprised at the endless things you don't. It's not important for the most part. IMO. Larry Epston What is important is that which we already think we know. These are the walls of our prison. It takes a whole lifetime for some, perhaps many lifetimes, to get to the point of realizing that we have built our prison, brick by brick. This realization strikes the moment the cell door slams shut, and what is to be done then? The walls have been built with blood and sweat, pride and devotion. No longer the child or the man, what sits in the cell is a builder of prisons. What is a builder of prisons who willingly tears down his own creation? What vanishes first, the prison or the builder who is imprisoned within? Does the artist paint over his greatest work of art in order to use the canvas for what could be an even greater creation, or does he frame it and hang it on his wall, and take out a new canvas so that he can add to his collection. The painter who can use but one canvas and still call himself an artist, or the builder who can tear down the only thing he has built and still call himself a mason; these men are already free. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 3/25/2006 10:21:20 AM Pacific Standard Time, > lissbon2002 writes: > > > don´t believe there is karma, I don´t believe there isn´t. > > I don´t know. > > > > len > > > > > > L.E: Just stay with " I don't know. " It takes a whole lifetime for some > smart-ass wise guys to get to that point. You can live a full life with the few > things you do know so don't be surprised at the endless things you don't. It's > not important for the most part. IMO. > > Larry Epston > > In considering to whom and what type thereof this fate of 'not getting the point' betides Larry, how many years shy of a 'whole' lifetime are you? I know you don't read my posts and that is wonderful IMO. There are those who do and that's good enough for me and this message of just staying with " I know " ..........bob > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 In a message dated 3/25/2006 3:57:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, lissbon2002 writes: > However you seem to know that there is no karma. > So it seems you prefer to stay with this " knowing " rather then not- > knowing ;-) > > Len L.E: No. I don't " know " if there is no karma. I think it, I assume it, there probably isn't, most likely there isn't, in my opinion there isn't, I'm pretty sure there isn't, as far as I can tell there isn't, there is no proof there is that satisfies me, etc. I don't know. To know is a special case. We know very little and not very often. Knowing is for immediate experience. Use other words. We seldom know anything. It's not something to worry about it unless you insist. Real life has a vagueness about it, an indefinie quality, it's a bit of a floating world. You are just not used to it yet, but you have broken free in some areas. Stay with the " I don't know,: " as I said. Larry Epston Larr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 In a message dated 3/26/2006 1:15:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, lissbon2002 writes: > Except of your idea that there is probably no karma you seem also > pretty attached to the idea that you know how I am ;-) > > Len L.E: How can you even say that after what I have just written. I don't, can't, " know " how you are. I can guess, assume, think, posit, etc, I don't know! How can you even say, write, that!! And, how is does an ego get " attached " to anything? I know, it's just a way of talking. Concerning " trustworthyness. " How much do you need? Do you have a treasure to guard? Secrets that need protection? Is there fear involved, that she will tell someone something? Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 the only knowing is the Knowing of nothing, knowing of something is a cemetary, full of memories, to be alive in unknowing, is to fill the wonder of life in love's bewildered eyes, graced in the Light of the Enlightened Mind. IMHO, Ana ;-) Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 3/25/2006 3:57:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, > lissbon2002 writes: > > > However you seem to know that there is no karma. > > So it seems you prefer to stay with this " knowing " rather then not- > > knowing ;-) > > > > Len > > L.E: No. I don't " know " if there is no karma. I think it, I assume it, > there probably isn't, most likely there isn't, in my opinion there isn't, I'm > pretty sure there isn't, as far as I can tell there isn't, there is no proof > there is that satisfies me, etc. I don't know. > To know is a special case. We know very little and not very often. Knowing > is for immediate experience. Use other words. We seldom know anything. It's > not something to worry about it unless you insist. Real life has a vagueness > about it, an indefinie quality, it's a bit of a floating world. You are just > not used to it yet, but you have broken free in some areas. Stay with the " I > don't know,: " as I said. > > Larry Epston > > Larr > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 3/25/2006 3:57:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, > lissbon2002 writes: > > > However you seem to know that there is no karma. > > So it seems you prefer to stay with this " knowing " rather then not- > > knowing ;-) > > > > Len > > L.E: No. I don't " know " if there is no karma. I think it, I assume it, > there probably isn't, most likely there isn't, in my opinion there isn't, I'm > pretty sure there isn't, as far as I can tell there isn't, there is no proof > there is that satisfies me, etc. I don't know. LOL! > To know is a special case. We know very little and not very often. Knowing > is for immediate experience. Use other words. We seldom know anything. It's > not something to worry about it unless you insist. Real life has a vagueness > about it, an indefinie quality, it's a bit of a floating world. You are just > not used to it yet, but you have broken free in some areas. Stay with the " I > don't know,: " as I said. Except of your idea that there is probably no karma you seem also pretty attached to the idea that you know how I am ;-) Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 3/26/2006 1:15:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, > lissbon2002 writes: > > > Except of your idea that there is probably no karma you seem also > > pretty attached to the idea that you know how I am ;-) > > > > Len > > L.E: How can you even say that after what I have just written. I don't, > can't, " know " how you are. I can guess, assume, think, posit, etc, I don't know! > How can you even say, write, that!! How can you say, write that?: " Real life has a vagueness > about it, an indefinie quality, it's a bit of a floating world. You are just > not used to it yet, but you have broken free in some areas. Stay with the " I > don't know,: " as I said. " Are you sure this advice is for me? ;-) > And, how is does an ego get " attached " > to anything? I know, it's just a way of talking. > Concerning " trustworthyness. " How much do you need? Do you have a treasure > to guard? Secrets that need protection? Is there fear involved, that she > will tell someone something? Well, let me think... I guess it´s just the idea that he might spoil my holiday by being a pain in the ass. So, I want to protect my holiday time from unnecessary frustrations. I appreciate frustrations to a degree, because they confront me with myself, but not during my holiday, please. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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