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In a message dated 3/27/2006 2:54:39 AM Pacific Standard Time,

ericparoissien writes:

 

> Nisargadatta , epston wrote:

> >

> >In a message dated 3/27/2006 12:49:59 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> >illusyn writes:

> >

> >>If I feel " annoyed with " someone, then is that about them

> >>or about me? It's about me. It is not about them. So what

> >>is for me to deal with? It is for me to recognized that my

> >>annoyance is *my issue*, and that to deal with it means to

> >>see it as such. Really, if all of that transpires in an open,

> >>undistorted way, then it simply evaporates. Once the cycle of

> >>blaming is broken the circuit can no longer fuel itself.

> >>

> >>Bill

> >

> >L.E: How does this apply when someone is about to shoot and kill

> you? Is

> >this situation only about you, and not them. Is the " annoyance

> 'your issue?' Is

> >the bullet moving toward you head, 'your issue?' What you say is

> true but is

> >only one half of the problem which must include what is outside the

> body even

> >as it is experienced inside the body. In ordinary life what is

> exterior to

> >your body has its own life and must be dealt with, related to.

> >

> >Larry Epston

>

> this is called the " projective argument " in philosophy;

> if your mind is heavy enough you'll bite it (the bullet?)

> and dance at the puppet master's finger.

> They'll say " yes but what will you say when you die? "

> and you'll answer (because it is a big deal to you)

> " when i die i'll probably ...this and that "

> but as Jesus said:

> " let the dead bury (take care of) the dead "

> the projective argument will only project as

> much of you that is heavy enough to be projected.

>

>

L.E: Some people think that by naming a thing, they have power over a thing.

Doctors fall into this. It is an attempt to demonstrate to others superiority

and knowledge. It is essentially an arrogant approach.

But I ask, how much of you is heavy enough to be projected? Does the one

who labels claim total freedom from the subject of his label? Are you so smart

that you are free of it?

To you, is Bill stating the true facts and I am just entering a false

deceitful word game? There for my argument has no basis to be considered because

you

have labled it as specious?

Just for play, how about giving us an answer or is the question raised too

unworthy for you to stoop to that level?

Bill seems to deny the relevance of an external reality and advocate an

internal reality. I say both are significant. Do you have something to add

besides your label?

 

Larry Epston

 

 

 

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In a message dated 3/27/2006 8:33:19 AM Pacific Standard Time,

illusyn writes:

 

> Bill seems to deny the relevance of an external reality and advocate an

> internal reality. I say both are significant. Do you have something

> to add

> besides your label?

>

> ~~~~~~~~~

>

> Boy have you got that wrong, Larry!

>

> I believe I have been quite consistent in saying that

> to distinguish " inner " from " outer " is a serious confusion.

>

> Bill

 

L.E: In ordinary life that serious condition is the usual practice. On a

deeper level of recognition and experience, there is no division between inner

and

outer. It is all a flowing process of life.

 

 

 

 

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Bill seems to deny the relevance of an external reality and advocate an

internal reality. I say both are significant. Do you have something

to add

besides your label?

 

~~~~~~~~~

 

Boy have you got that wrong, Larry!

 

I believe I have been quite consistent in saying that

to distinguish " inner " from " outer " is a serious confusion.

 

Bill

 

 

Nisargadatta , epston wrote:

>

> In a message dated 3/27/2006 2:54:39 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> ericparoissien writes:

>

> > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote:

> > >

> > >In a message dated 3/27/2006 12:49:59 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> > >illusyn@ writes:

> > >

> > >>If I feel " annoyed with " someone, then is that about them

> > >>or about me? It's about me. It is not about them. So what

> > >>is for me to deal with? It is for me to recognized that my

> > >>annoyance is *my issue*, and that to deal with it means to

> > >>see it as such. Really, if all of that transpires in an open,

> > >>undistorted way, then it simply evaporates. Once the cycle of

> > >>blaming is broken the circuit can no longer fuel itself.

> > >>

> > >>Bill

> > >

> > >L.E: How does this apply when someone is about to shoot and kill

> > you? Is

> > >this situation only about you, and not them. Is the " annoyance

> > 'your issue?' Is

> > >the bullet moving toward you head, 'your issue?' What you say is

> > true but is

> > >only one half of the problem which must include what is outside the

> > body even

> > >as it is experienced inside the body. In ordinary life what is

> > exterior to

> > >your body has its own life and must be dealt with, related to.

> > >

> > >Larry Epston

> >

> > this is called the " projective argument " in philosophy;

> > if your mind is heavy enough you'll bite it (the bullet?)

> > and dance at the puppet master's finger.

> > They'll say " yes but what will you say when you die? "

> > and you'll answer (because it is a big deal to you)

> > " when i die i'll probably ...this and that "

> > but as Jesus said:

> > " let the dead bury (take care of) the dead "

> > the projective argument will only project as

> > much of you that is heavy enough to be projected.

> >

> >

> L.E: Some people think that by naming a thing, they have power over

a thing.

> Doctors fall into this. It is an attempt to demonstrate to others

superiority

> and knowledge. It is essentially an arrogant approach.

> But I ask, how much of you is heavy enough to be projected? Does

the one

> who labels claim total freedom from the subject of his label? Are

you so smart

> that you are free of it?

> To you, is Bill stating the true facts and I am just entering a false

> deceitful word game? There for my argument has no basis to be

considered because you

> have labled it as specious?

> Just for play, how about giving us an answer or is the question

raised too

> unworthy for you to stoop to that level?

> Bill seems to deny the relevance of an external reality and advocate an

> internal reality. I say both are significant. Do you have

something to add

> besides your label?

>

> Larry Epston

>

>

>

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