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Nisargadatta , epston wrote:

>

> In a message dated 3/27/2006 3:00:06 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> ericparoissien writes:

>

> > In a message dated 3/27/2006 1:01:53 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> > >ericparoissien@ writes:

> > >

> > >>those who write and suffer

> > >>those who write and don't suffer

> > >>those who don't write and suffer

> > >>those who don't write and don't suffer

> > >

> > >Those who write and sometimes suffer.

> > >Those who write and don't often suffer

> > >Those who don't write and sometimes suffer

> > >Those who don't write and don't oftern suffer.

> > >

> > >Larry Epston

> >

> > so it is a trap you describe, poor Niz served

> > no purposed and died like a useless dog:

> > " Thus conscience cloth make cowards of us all,

> > And thus the native hue of resolution

> > Is siclied o'er, with a pale cast of thought,

> > And enterprises of great pith and moment,

> > With this regard their currents turn away,

> > And lose the name of action. "

> >

> >

> >

> L.E: You seem to have a paranoid proclivity. First labeling as a

protection

> and now feeling a trap is being layed for you. Strange.

> And now you are making a list of conclusions and attributing them to

me. I

> never said or meant any of your list of conclusions. At least have

the

> courtesy to own your own fantasies and say you are just guessing and

ask me if this

> is my intension.

> But, oh no. you just jump to conclusions. How hostile and meanspirited.

> You listed the extremes, and I filled in the grey zones. Seems more

real and

> complete the way I wrote it. What is your real complaint?

>

> Larry Epston

>

>

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In a message dated 3/27/2006 11:03:31 AM Pacific Standard Time,

silver-1069 writes:

 

>

> Larry has vividly demonstrated in his posts that he suffers. He's

> in the right place.

>

> Some deny they suffer but betray to the world that they do. Others

> proclaim to the world that they suffer but fail to surrender.

>

> Most fall somewhere in between.

>

> " Silver "

 

L.E: Sometimes I suffer, not often. Otherwise, good post. I like the

recognition of " somewhere in between. " Lots of gray zone. In and out, up and

down

and all around. Lots of variations.

 

Larry Epston

 

 

 

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In a message dated 3/27/2006 11:07:55 AM Pacific Standard Time,

silver-1069 writes:

 

> There you go again, Larry. Freud would have had a wonderful time

> with you. Time to up your meds, perhaps?

>

> :-)

>

> " Silver "

>

 

L.E: I take my vitamins, but it doesn't help. Maybe you are right and I need

to up the dose.

 

Larry E

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien "

<ericparoissien wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote:

> >

> > In a message dated 3/27/2006 3:00:06 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> > ericparoissien@ writes:

> >

> > > In a message dated 3/27/2006 1:01:53 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> > > >ericparoissien@ writes:

> > > >

> > > >>those who write and suffer

> > > >>those who write and don't suffer

> > > >>those who don't write and suffer

> > > >>those who don't write and don't suffer

> > > >

> > > >Those who write and sometimes suffer.

> > > >Those who write and don't often suffer

> > > >Those who don't write and sometimes suffer

> > > >Those who don't write and don't oftern suffer.

> > > >

> > > >Larry Epston

> > >

> > > so it is a trap you describe, poor Niz served

> > > no purposed and died like a useless dog:

> > > " Thus conscience cloth make cowards of us all,

> > > And thus the native hue of resolution

> > > Is siclied o'er, with a pale cast of thought,

> > > And enterprises of great pith and moment,

> > > With this regard their currents turn away,

> > > And lose the name of action. "

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > L.E: You seem to have a paranoid proclivity. First labeling as

a

> protection

> > and now feeling a trap is being layed for you. Strange.

> > And now you are making a list of conclusions and attributing

them to

> me. I

> > never said or meant any of your list of conclusions. At least

have

> the

> > courtesy to own your own fantasies and say you are just guessing

and

> ask me if this

> > is my intension.

> > But, oh no. you just jump to conclusions. How hostile and

meanspirited.

> > You listed the extremes, and I filled in the grey zones. Seems

more

> real and

> > complete the way I wrote it. What is your real complaint?

> >

> > Larry Epston

> >

> >

> >

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Nisargadatta , epston wrote:

>

> In a message dated 3/27/2006 3:32:41 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> ericparoissien writes:>

> >

> > >>>>those who write and suffer

> > >>>>those who write and don't suffer

> > >>>>those who don't write and suffer

> > >>>>those who don't write and don't suffer

>

>

>

> > L.E: writes:

> Those who write and sometimes suffer.

> > Those who write and don't often suffer

> > Those who don't write and sometimes suffer>>>

> Those who don't write and don't oftern suffer.

> >

> > Larry Epston

> >

> > >>so it is a trap you describe, poor Niz served

> > >>no purposed and died like a useless dog:

> > >> " Thus conscience cloth make cowards of us all,

> > >>And thus the native hue of resolution

> > >>Is siclied o'er, with a pale cast of thought,

> > >>And enterprises of great pith and moment,

> > >>With this regard their currents turn away,

> > >>And lose the name of action. "

> >

> > L.E: You seem to have a paranoid proclivity. First labeling as

a

> > protection and now feeling a trap is being layed for you.

Strange.

> > >And now you are making a list of conclusions and attributing

them to

> > me. I

> > >never said or meant any of your list of conclusions. At least

have

> > the courtesy to own your own fantasies and say you are just

guessing and

> > ask me if this is my intension.

> > But, oh no. you just jump to conclusions. How hostile and

meanspirited.

> > You listed the extremes, and I filled in the grey zones. Seems

more

> > real and

> > complete the way I wrote it. What is your real complaint?

> >

> > Larry Epston

> >

> > Please Larry calm down and come back to the topic.

> > ...

> > Don't forget than when you speak about suffering you have to

stay within the

> > realm of the " acceptable " and the " meaningful " , language will

not let you

> > stray

> > too far from those two, if you talk about daily booboos or " oh

shit i missed

> > the bus! " , we are not in the spirituality topic ...

> > let us refresh the topic here:

> > some people suffer and have made the end of suffering the one

aim of their

> > life, and this is the reason why we gather here, because only

spirituality can

> > address

> > the end of suffering in terms of " who is suffering " and not in

terms of

> > fulfillment as other cultural fields do...

> >

> >

> >

> > L.E: Your tone is very patronizing and unpleasant. And you don't

need to

> > lecture me about the use of language. It's your language that

seem rambling,

> > exaggerated and draws unfounded conclusions. You sarcasm and

mockery seem off

> > the " spirituality topic " rather than my remarks.

> What you are writing seems very removed from the topic as you feel

compelled

> to lecture why people gather here, or the use of acceptalbe and

unacceptable

> language, as if you are the arbitrator and decision maker on the

use of

> language. How extremely arrogant. Your pompous lecturing does

not come close to the

> discussion at hand. There are degrees to suffering, a whole

spectrum of

> events and experiences and the situaltion cannot be summed up as

simply as you

> described. As I said, your comments describe the extremes, but

omit all the

> possibilities in between. Do you get annoyed when people disagree

with you?

>

> Larry Epston

 

*************

 

There you go again, Larry. Freud would have had a wonderful time

with you. Time to up your meds, perhaps?

 

:-)

 

" Silver "

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Nisargadatta , epston wrote:

>

> In a message dated 3/27/2006 11:03:31 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> silver-1069 writes:

>

> >

> > Larry has vividly demonstrated in his posts that he suffers.

He's

> > in the right place.

> >

> > Some deny they suffer but betray to the world that they do.

Others

> > proclaim to the world that they suffer but fail to surrender.

> >

> > Most fall somewhere in between.

> >

> > " Silver "

>

> L.E: Sometimes I suffer, not often. Otherwise, good post. I like

the

> recognition of " somewhere in between. " Lots of gray zone. In and

out, up and down

> and all around. Lots of variations.

>

> Larry Epston

 

****************

 

Most definitely, chum! Black and white is not my style either.

 

;-)

 

" Silver "

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Nisargadatta , epston wrote:

>

> In a message dated 3/27/2006 11:07:55 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> silver-1069 writes:

>

> > There you go again, Larry. Freud would have had a wonderful

time

> > with you. Time to up your meds, perhaps?

> >

> > :-)

> >

> > " Silver "

> >

>

> L.E: I take my vitamins, but it doesn't help. Maybe you are right

and I need

> to up the dose.

>

> Larry E

 

************

 

Hehe. There's that Larry I have grown to like. Stepping out of the

mist of others' issues is refreshing, isn't it.... Let's go jump in

the lake! The heat's almost unbearable in here sometimes.

 

" Silver "

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