... on Pain and Suffering./That is Very Very Good, Silver!

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-

1069 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien "

> <ericparoissien@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming@>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > As long as there is *ability* to *feel*...

> > >

> > > there exists the *potential* for *Pain*!

> > >

> > >

> > > Not all Pain is bad or useless...

> > >

> > > Some of the great poetry [including spiritual ones],

> > > great paintings and other creations of beauty are

> > > born out of Pain!

> > >

> > > Some artists are known to purposely *revisit*

> > > their *root of pain*, in order to keep drawing

> > > inspiration from it!

> > >

> > >

> > > Most *artists* have greater *capacity* to *feel*...

> > > which translates into higher potential for *ecstasy*

> > > as well as *pain*!

> > >

> > > Most Serial Killers, torturers, Rapists, Child Molesters and

> > > other serial criminals have LESS capacity to *feel*

> > > and, in fact *suffer* quite LESS!!!

> > >

> > >

> > > ...

> > >

> > > However, much of the *pain* is simply a LESSON being

> > > taught and once that lesson is TRULY learnt, the need

> > > for that PAIN is gone!

> > >

> >

> > and once the need for pain is gone...

> > there is the ability to feel

> > ...

> > yet what we discuss here is the *relevance*

> > of pain to spirituality ...

> > does my back ache plunge me into a hell of

> > doubts about my ability to be up to my destiny

> > ...

> > that's the question

> > ...

> > whether 'tis important to perform

> > and that i feel that somehow my capability

> > is hampered, then the word " never " comes to

> > mind " i'll never be able to enjoy again... "

> > ...

> > this is the type of suffering that is relevant

> > to spirituality;

> > but i'd like to hear other person's take on it.

> >

>

> **********

>

> After performances my hands are bruised from drumming. That's

> Pain.

>

> Performing and drumming for me are Pleasures

>

> Suffering is not having hands to play drums and being left with

the

> desire to play.

>

> Surrender to reality is acceptance that I have no hands to play my

> drums and acceptance that I might NEVER perform again.

>

> happiness is surrender to WHAT IS in spite of pain, pleasure,

> desire, and lack of fulfillment. In spite of anything, I can be

> happy AS IS. that's surrender.

 

 

 

That is Very Very Good, Silver!

 

 

 

 

> That's what I think anyway but I

> might be wrong or might not have the whole picture. In fact, I

> doubt I do I'm just trying to understand, that's all. bye

>

> " Silver "

>

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-

> 1069@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien "

> > <ericparoissien@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind "

<adithya_comming@>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > As long as there is *ability* to *feel*...

> > > >

> > > > there exists the *potential* for *Pain*!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Not all Pain is bad or useless...

> > > >

> > > > Some of the great poetry [including spiritual ones],

> > > > great paintings and other creations of beauty are

> > > > born out of Pain!

> > > >

> > > > Some artists are known to purposely *revisit*

> > > > their *root of pain*, in order to keep drawing

> > > > inspiration from it!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Most *artists* have greater *capacity* to *feel*...

> > > > which translates into higher potential for *ecstasy*

> > > > as well as *pain*!

> > > >

> > > > Most Serial Killers, torturers, Rapists, Child Molesters and

> > > > other serial criminals have LESS capacity to *feel*

> > > > and, in fact *suffer* quite LESS!!!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ...

> > > >

> > > > However, much of the *pain* is simply a LESSON being

> > > > taught and once that lesson is TRULY learnt, the need

> > > > for that PAIN is gone!

> > > >

> > >

> > > and once the need for pain is gone...

> > > there is the ability to feel

> > > ...

> > > yet what we discuss here is the *relevance*

> > > of pain to spirituality ...

> > > does my back ache plunge me into a hell of

> > > doubts about my ability to be up to my destiny

> > > ...

> > > that's the question

> > > ...

> > > whether 'tis important to perform

> > > and that i feel that somehow my capability

> > > is hampered, then the word " never " comes to

> > > mind " i'll never be able to enjoy again... "

> > > ...

> > > this is the type of suffering that is relevant

> > > to spirituality;

> > > but i'd like to hear other person's take on it.

> > >

> >

> > **********

> >

> > After performances my hands are bruised from drumming. That's

> > Pain.

> >

> > Performing and drumming for me are Pleasures

> >

> > Suffering is not having hands to play drums and being left with

> the

> > desire to play.

> >

> > Surrender to reality is acceptance that I have no hands to play

my

> > drums and acceptance that I might NEVER perform again.

> >

> > happiness is surrender to WHAT IS in spite of pain, pleasure,

> > desire, and lack of fulfillment. In spite of anything, I can be

> > happy AS IS. that's surrender.

>

>

>

> That is Very Very Good, Silver!

 

*****Really?!? Wow, thanks! It's just what I feel, that's all. I

don't know how to write it down most of the tiem. I know how to

live it though!!! And it's absolutely [can't find the right word to

describe it].

 

:-)

 

" Silver "

>

>

>

>

> > That's what I think anyway but I

> > might be wrong or might not have the whole picture. In fact, I

> > doubt I do I'm just trying to understand, that's all. bye

> >

> > " Silver "

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-

> 1069@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien "

> > <ericparoissien@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming@>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > As long as there is *ability* to *feel*...

> > > >

> > > > there exists the *potential* for *Pain*!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Not all Pain is bad or useless...

> > > >

> > > > Some of the great poetry [including spiritual ones],

> > > > great paintings and other creations of beauty are

> > > > born out of Pain!

> > > >

> > > > Some artists are known to purposely *revisit*

> > > > their *root of pain*, in order to keep drawing

> > > > inspiration from it!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Most *artists* have greater *capacity* to *feel*...

> > > > which translates into higher potential for *ecstasy*

> > > > as well as *pain*!

> > > >

> > > > Most Serial Killers, torturers, Rapists, Child Molesters and

> > > > other serial criminals have LESS capacity to *feel*

> > > > and, in fact *suffer* quite LESS!!!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ...

> > > >

> > > > However, much of the *pain* is simply a LESSON being

> > > > taught and once that lesson is TRULY learnt, the need

> > > > for that PAIN is gone!

> > > >

> > >

> > > and once the need for pain is gone...

> > > there is the ability to feel

> > > ...

> > > yet what we discuss here is the *relevance*

> > > of pain to spirituality ...

> > > does my back ache plunge me into a hell of

> > > doubts about my ability to be up to my destiny

> > > ...

> > > that's the question

> > > ...

> > > whether 'tis important to perform

> > > and that i feel that somehow my capability

> > > is hampered, then the word " never " comes to

> > > mind " i'll never be able to enjoy again... "

> > > ...

> > > this is the type of suffering that is relevant

> > > to spirituality;

> > > but i'd like to hear other person's take on it.

> > >

> >

> > **********

> >

> > After performances my hands are bruised from drumming. That's

> > Pain.

> >

> > Performing and drumming for me are Pleasures

> >

> > Suffering is not having hands to play drums and being left with

> the

> > desire to play.

> >

> > Surrender to reality is acceptance that I have no hands to play my

> > drums and acceptance that I might NEVER perform again.

> >

> > happiness is surrender to WHAT IS in spite of pain, pleasure,

> > desire, and lack of fulfillment. In spite of anything, I can be

> > happy AS IS. that's surrender.

>

>

>

> That is Very Very Good, Silver!

 

it is very good, and also the resourcefulness of our

destinies is not to be discarded either, we are not

bound as Whitman said, to lose everything that was

once dear to us and get used to it, pleasured are

continuously renew under various simple forms and

nature is very generous in this regard, i heard some

say a saint can still keep a " body of enjoyment " even

after his vasanas are all burned out.

 

>

>

>

>

> > That's what I think anyway but I

> > might be wrong or might not have the whole picture. In fact, I

> > doubt I do I'm just trying to understand, that's all. bye

> >

> > " Silver "

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien "

<ericparoissien wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming@>

wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-

> > 1069@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien "

> > > <ericparoissien@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind "

<adithya_comming@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > As long as there is *ability* to *feel*...

> > > > >

> > > > > there exists the *potential* for *Pain*!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Not all Pain is bad or useless...

> > > > >

> > > > > Some of the great poetry [including spiritual ones],

> > > > > great paintings and other creations of beauty are

> > > > > born out of Pain!

> > > > >

> > > > > Some artists are known to purposely *revisit*

> > > > > their *root of pain*, in order to keep drawing

> > > > > inspiration from it!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Most *artists* have greater *capacity* to *feel*...

> > > > > which translates into higher potential for *ecstasy*

> > > > > as well as *pain*!

> > > > >

> > > > > Most Serial Killers, torturers, Rapists, Child Molesters

and

> > > > > other serial criminals have LESS capacity to *feel*

> > > > > and, in fact *suffer* quite LESS!!!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ...

> > > > >

> > > > > However, much of the *pain* is simply a LESSON being

> > > > > taught and once that lesson is TRULY learnt, the need

> > > > > for that PAIN is gone!

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > and once the need for pain is gone...

> > > > there is the ability to feel

> > > > ...

> > > > yet what we discuss here is the *relevance*

> > > > of pain to spirituality ...

> > > > does my back ache plunge me into a hell of

> > > > doubts about my ability to be up to my destiny

> > > > ...

> > > > that's the question

> > > > ...

> > > > whether 'tis important to perform

> > > > and that i feel that somehow my capability

> > > > is hampered, then the word " never " comes to

> > > > mind " i'll never be able to enjoy again... "

> > > > ...

> > > > this is the type of suffering that is relevant

> > > > to spirituality;

> > > > but i'd like to hear other person's take on it.

> > > >

> > >

> > > **********

> > >

> > > After performances my hands are bruised from drumming. That's

> > > Pain.

> > >

> > > Performing and drumming for me are Pleasures

> > >

> > > Suffering is not having hands to play drums and being left

with

> > the

> > > desire to play.

> > >

> > > Surrender to reality is acceptance that I have no hands to

play my

> > > drums and acceptance that I might NEVER perform again.

> > >

> > > happiness is surrender to WHAT IS in spite of pain, pleasure,

> > > desire, and lack of fulfillment. In spite of anything, I can

be

> > > happy AS IS. that's surrender.

> >

> >

> >

> > That is Very Very Good, Silver!

>

> it is very good, and also the resourcefulness of our

> destinies is not to be discarded either, we are not

> bound as Whitman said, to lose everything that was

> once dear to us and get used to it, pleasured are

> continuously renew under various simple forms and

> nature is very generous in this regard, i heard some

> say a saint can still keep a " body of enjoyment " even

> after his vasanas are all burned out.

 

*****

 

Sounds like vasanas aren't good for you. What are they? Is it

something I can catch? I hope not. But there's alot of other stuff

out there that can get me. I guess I've just been lucky so far not

to catch anything. I live in a good part of the world where

vasanas can't hurt me??? I know how to avoid catching a cold. I

have to wash myhands and be careful not to breath in other peoples'

air or something like that. Sometimes though that's not possible

and in spite of all the preventative measures I've taken I still

can't help getting a cold. Vasanas?? How do you catch those and

most importantly, how do you avoid them? I definitely don't like

the sound of having to BURN them out of me once their IN. Yikes!

 

:-(

 

" Silver "

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > That's what I think anyway but I

> > > might be wrong or might not have the whole picture. In fact,

I

> > > doubt I do I'm just trying to understand, that's all. bye

> > >

> > > " Silver "

> > >

> >

>