Guest guest Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 In a message dated 3/27/2006 12:52:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, adithya_comming writes: > However, much of suffering is simply a LESSON being > taught and once that lesson is TRULY learnt, the need > for that suffering is gone! > L.E: I really have little affinity to the idea of a LESSON. It implies that life or god is a teacher and that your difficulties are for your own good or learning. I very much doubt this is true. And some suffering goes on until the person, village, city is destroyed and all the people are dead. So I disagree there is ever a " need " for suffering. Suffering may be the discord that develops when the internal condition and the external condition do not harmonize. Mean parents and the child's need to be loved and protected for instance. Or ideas about god's love for you and the painful events that occur. Suffering occurs when the contradiction increases beyond some unknown point. Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 In a message dated 3/27/2006 6:39:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:53:21 EST epston Suffering.and Contradiction In a message dated 3/27/2006 12:52:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, adithya_comming writes: > However, much of suffering is simply a LESSON being > taught and once that lesson is TRULY learnt, the need > for that suffering is gone! > L.E: I really have little affinity to the idea of a LESSON. It implies that life or god is a teacher and that your difficulties are for your own good or learning. I very much doubt this is true. And some suffering goes on until the person, village, city is destroyed and all the people are dead. So I disagree there is ever a " need " for suffering. Suffering may be the discord that develops when the internal condition and the external condition do not harmonize. Mean parents and the child's need to be loved and protected for instance. Or ideas about god's love for you and the painful events that occur. Suffering occurs when the contradiction increases beyond some unknown point. Larry Epston Suffering arises from the frustration of desire. Desire arises from a sense of lack. Lack is the nature of experience since experience necessitates separation and separation is unwholeness. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/27/2006 6:39:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:53:21 EST > epston > Suffering.and Contradiction > > In a message dated 3/27/2006 12:52:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, > adithya_comming writes: > > > However, much of suffering is simply a LESSON being > > taught and once that lesson is TRULY learnt, the need > > for that suffering is gone! > > > > L.E: I really have little affinity to the idea of a LESSON. It implies that > life or god is a teacher and that your difficulties are for your own good or > learning. I very much doubt this is true. And some suffering goes on until > the person, village, city is destroyed and all the people are dead. So I > disagree there is ever a " need " for suffering. > Suffering may be the discord that develops when the internal condition and > the external condition do not harmonize. Mean parents and the child's need > to > be loved and protected for instance. Or ideas about god's love for you and > the > painful events that occur. Suffering occurs when the contradiction > increases > beyond some unknown point. > > Larry Epston > > > > Suffering arises from the frustration of desire. Desire arises from a sense > of lack. Lack is the nature of experience since experience necessitates > separation and separation is unwholeness. > > Phil > > Gautama Buddha couldn't have said it better Phil...bob > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > L.E: I really have little affinity to the idea of a LESSON. It implies that > life or god is a teacher and that your difficulties are for your own good or > learning. I very much doubt this is true. Your difficulties are your limitations. No limitations, no difficulties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > L.E: I really have little affinity to the idea of a LESSON. It > implies that > > life or god is a teacher and that your difficulties are for your own > good or > > learning. I very much doubt this is true. > > > > Your difficulties are your limitations. > No limitations, no difficulties. > Well said. Difficulties are lessons. Life is the teacher. Acceptance is acknowleging there is something to learn. That applies in the face of difficulties, but also in the face of no-difficulties. The great lesson is that there is no difference between life and the learner. But somehow many difficulties must be face before that can begin to dawn. Life is not aloof and indifferent. Life is dynamic, intimate, alive. To turn away from Life is to die. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 --- billrishel <illusyn a écrit : Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > L.E: I really have little affinity to the idea of a LESSON. It > implies that > > life or god is a teacher and that your difficulties are for your own > good or > > learning. I very much doubt this is true. > > > > Your difficulties are your limitations. > No limitations, no difficulties. > Well said. Difficulties are lessons. Life is the teacher. Acceptance is acknowleging there is something to learn. That applies in the face of difficulties, but also in the face of no-difficulties. The great lesson is that there is no difference between life and the learner. But somehow many difficulties must be face before that can begin to dawn. Life is not aloof and indifferent. Life is dynamic, intimate, alive. To turn away from Life is to die. Bill " Life is not aloof and indifferent. Life is dynamic, intimate, alive. " ....and challenging, and not how I want it most of the time, and corrosive, and bloody cruel, and hillarious, and playing dead........ P ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > L.E: I really have little affinity to the idea of a LESSON. It > > implies that > > > life or god is a teacher and that your difficulties are for your own > > good or > > > learning. I very much doubt this is true. > > > > > > > > Your difficulties are your limitations. > > No limitations, no difficulties. > > > Well said. > > Difficulties are lessons. > Life is the teacher. > Acceptance is acknowleging there is something to learn. > That applies in the face of difficulties, > but also in the face of no-difficulties. > > The great lesson is that there is no > difference between life and the learner. > But somehow many difficulties must be > face before that can begin to dawn. > > Life is not aloof and indifferent. > Life is dynamic, intimate, alive. > > To turn away from Life is to die. > > > Bill True. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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