Guest guest Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 In a message dated 3/27/2006 4:15:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, lissbon2002 writes: > Not that suffering is unreal, because it is damn real > when it hurts, but it´s causes are unreal: images. > > len L.E: Do you mean like when your girlfriend dumps you for being untrustworthy? Or you employer dumps you because you are a Jew, or a Black? Or when your child is killed by an American bomb? Do you mean those kinds of unreal images? Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 >In a message dated 3/27/2006 4:15:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, >lissbon2002 writes: > >>Not that suffering is unreal, because it is damn real >>when it hurts, but it´s causes are unreal: images. >> >>len > > >L.E: Do you mean like when your girlfriend dumps you for being untrustworthy? > Or you employer dumps you because you are a Jew, or a Black? Or when your >child is killed by an American bomb? Do you mean those kinds of unreal images? > >Larry Epston ********* Memories of past suffering and anticipation of future suffering bring suffering into the present. " Silver " L.E: Yes, but most of us humans don't live in the present very often or very much, so are those situations real or unreal images? Is that the kind of suffering caused by those unreal images? Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 In a message dated 3/27/2006 6:56:51 PM Pacific Standard Time, silver-1069 writes: > Sure. I would say unreal images cause suffering. I wonder if > unreal images of past pleasure and images of anticipated pleasure > bring suffering? I don't know if they do unless I'm attached to > pleasure and and when my pleasures aren't being fulfilled then I > suffer? > > " Silver " > L.E: I guess my point is that real events bring suffering as well. I'm not sure what unreal images are, unless you are saying that ordinary reality is unreal, then in that case if correct, unreal experiences cause suffering. Larry Epston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 3/27/2006 4:15:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, > lissbon2002 writes: > > > Not that suffering is unreal, because it is damn real > > when it hurts, but it´s causes are unreal: images. > > > > len > > > L.E: Do you mean like when your girlfriend dumps you for being untrustworthy? > Or you employer dumps you because you are a Jew, or a Black? Or when your > child is killed by an American bomb? Do you mean those kinds of unreal images? > > Larry Epston ********* Memories of past suffering and anticipation of future suffering bring suffering into the present. " Silver " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > > >In a message dated 3/27/2006 4:15:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, > >lissbon2002@ writes: > > > >>Not that suffering is unreal, because it is damn real > >>when it hurts, but it´s causes are unreal: images. > >> > >>len > > > > > >L.E: Do you mean like when your girlfriend dumps you for being > untrustworthy? > > Or you employer dumps you because you are a Jew, or a Black? Or > when your > >child is killed by an American bomb? Do you mean those kinds of > unreal images? > > > >Larry Epston > > ********* > > Memories of past suffering and anticipation of future suffering > bring suffering into the present. > > " Silver " > > L.E: Yes, but most of us humans don't live in the present very often or very > much, so are those situations real or unreal images? Is that the kind of > suffering caused by those unreal images? > > Larry Epston ********* Sure. I would say unreal images cause suffering. I wonder if unreal images of past pleasure and images of anticipated pleasure bring suffering? I don't know if they do unless I'm attached to pleasure and and when my pleasures aren't being fulfilled then I suffer? " Silver " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 3/27/2006 6:56:51 PM Pacific Standard Time, > silver-1069 writes: > > > Sure. I would say unreal images cause suffering. I wonder if > > unreal images of past pleasure and images of anticipated pleasure > > bring suffering? I don't know if they do unless I'm attached to > > pleasure and and when my pleasures aren't being fulfilled then I > > suffer? > > > > " Silver " > > > > L.E: I guess my point is that real events bring suffering as well. I'm not > sure what unreal images are, unless you are saying that ordinary reality is > unreal, then in that case if correct, unreal experiences cause suffering. > > Larry Epston > > So what's your point? BOB > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 3/27/2006 6:56:51 PM Pacific Standard Time, > silver-1069 writes: > > > Sure. I would say unreal images cause suffering. I wonder if > > unreal images of past pleasure and images of anticipated pleasure > > bring suffering? I don't know if they do unless I'm attached to > > pleasure and and when my pleasures aren't being fulfilled then I > > suffer? > > > > " Silver " > > > > L.E: I guess my point is that real events bring suffering as well. I'm not > sure what unreal images are, unless you are saying that ordinary reality is > unreal, then in that case if correct, unreal experiences cause suffering. > > Larry Epston ******* All there is is the ordinary, IMHO. Seeking after the illusoriness of extraordinarinessness causes alot of the suffering we humans experience. " Silver " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 Nisargadatta , epston wrote: > > In a message dated 3/27/2006 4:15:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, > lissbon2002 writes: > > > Not that suffering is unreal, because it is damn real > > when it hurts, but it´s causes are unreal: images. > > > > len > > > L.E: Do you mean like when your girlfriend dumps you for being untrustworthy? > Or you employer dumps you because you are a Jew, or a Black? Or when your > child is killed by an American bomb? Do you mean those kinds of unreal images? > > Larry Epston Yes. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > In a message dated 3/27/2006 4:15:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > lissbon2002@ writes: > > > > > Not that suffering is unreal, because it is damn real > > > when it hurts, but it´s causes are unreal: images. > > > > > > len > > > > > > L.E: Do you mean like when your girlfriend dumps you for being > untrustworthy? > > Or you employer dumps you because you are a Jew, or a Black? Or > when your > > child is killed by an American bomb? Do you mean those kinds of > unreal images? > > > > Larry Epston > > > Yes. > > Len > or when your printer dumps you at page 62 when printing the Bible or the Mahabharata? that kind of pain is unreal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " <ericparoissien wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 3/27/2006 4:15:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > > lissbon2002@ writes: > > > > > > > Not that suffering is unreal, because it is damn real > > > > when it hurts, but it´s causes are unreal: images. > > > > > > > > len > > > > > > > > > L.E: Do you mean like when your girlfriend dumps you for being > > untrustworthy? > > > Or you employer dumps you because you are a Jew, or a Black? Or > > when your > > > child is killed by an American bomb? Do you mean those kinds of > > unreal images? > > > > > > Larry Epston > > > > > > Yes. > > > > Len > > > > or when your printer dumps you at page 62 > when printing the Bible or the Mahabharata? > that kind of pain is unreal? > no no Eric, not *that* kind! please, try to follow the discussion! Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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