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In a message dated 3/27/2006 9:15:55 PM Pacific Standard Time,

illusyn writes:

 

> Bill: If a " sense of I " is unreal, then there is nothing

> there to do the distinguishing talked about.

>

> L.E: But the whole ordinary world is run by the unreal ego some say, so

> obvously there is much to talk about.

>

> Larry Epston

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 3/27/2006 9:31:09 PM Pacific Standard Time,

illusyn writes:

 

> Nisargadatta , epston wrote:

> >

> >In a message dated 3/27/2006 9:15:55 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> >illusyn writes:

> >

> >>Bill: If a " sense of I " is unreal, then there is nothing

> >>there to do the distinguishing talked about.

> >>

> >>L.E: But the whole ordinary world is run by the unreal ego some

> say, so

> >>obvously there is much to talk about.

> >>

> >>Larry Epston

>

> I didn't say there is nothing to talk about.

>

>

> Bill

>

L.E: Actually what you wrote doesn't make good English sense, sorry to say.

I suppose I said, there is nothing to talk about. Perhaps you can rewrite it

in a clearer fashion.

 

Larry Epston

 

 

 

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L.E: The problems is, if the sense of I or you is unreal, how

can it distinguish the real from the unreal?

~~~~~~~~

 

Calling it a problem doesn't make it one.

 

If a " sense of I " is unreal, then there is nothing

there to do the distinguishing talked about.

 

There is nothing that is seen " as real " .

Any thought that " this is real " is illusion.

 

But anything that arises in consciousness as

*subjectively felt* is unreal. Anything *felt* as

one's own private experience is unreal. Anything

separated out in experience as pertaining to

" oneself " is unreal.

 

Hence the unreal *can* be seen, though the moment

it is truly seen as such it is gone.

 

The real is simply what remains when the obscuring

clouds of the unreal have passed away.

 

 

 

Bill

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Nisargadatta , epston wrote:

>

> In a message dated 3/27/2006 9:15:55 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> illusyn writes:

>

> > Bill: If a " sense of I " is unreal, then there is nothing

> > there to do the distinguishing talked about.

> >

> > L.E: But the whole ordinary world is run by the unreal ego some

say, so

> > obvously there is much to talk about.

> >

> > Larry Epston

 

I didn't say there is nothing to talk about.

 

 

Bill

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Nisargadatta , epston wrote:

>

> In a message dated 3/27/2006 9:31:09 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> illusyn writes:

>

> > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote:

> > >

> > >In a message dated 3/27/2006 9:15:55 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> > >illusyn@ writes:

> > >

> > >>Bill: If a " sense of I " is unreal, then there is nothing

> > >>there to do the distinguishing talked about.

> > >>

> > >>L.E: But the whole ordinary world is run by the unreal ego some

> > say, so

> > >>obvously there is much to talk about.

> > >>

> > >>Larry Epston

> >

> > I didn't say there is nothing to talk about.

> >

> >

> > Bill

> >

> L.E: Actually what you wrote doesn't make good English sense, sorry

to say.

> I suppose I said, there is nothing to talk about. Perhaps you can

rewrite it

> in a clearer fashion.

>

> Larry Epston

>

> The following is a jest OK L.E.....Does what Bill wrote make good

French sense?

.........bob

p. s. now try to make nice, I have.(bn)

> >

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> > I didn't say there is nothing to talk about.

> >

> >

> > Bill

> >

> L.E: Actually what you wrote doesn't make good English sense, sorry

to say. Perhaps you can rewrite it in a clearer fashion.

 

" I didn't say there isn't something to talk about. "

Same thing.

Both make good English sense.

 

Bill

 

Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote:

> >

> > In a message dated 3/27/2006 9:31:09 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> > illusyn@ writes:

> >

> > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >In a message dated 3/27/2006 9:15:55 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> > > >illusyn@ writes:

> > > >

> > > >>Bill: If a " sense of I " is unreal, then there is nothing

> > > >>there to do the distinguishing talked about.

> > > >>

> > > >>L.E: But the whole ordinary world is run by the unreal ego some

> > > say, so

> > > >>obvously there is much to talk about.

> > > >>

> > > >>Larry Epston

> > >

> > > I didn't say there is nothing to talk about.

> > >

> > >

> > > Bill

> > >

> > L.E: Actually what you wrote doesn't make good English sense, sorry

> to say.

> > I suppose I said, there is nothing to talk about. Perhaps you can

> rewrite it

> > in a clearer fashion.

> >

> > Larry Epston

> >

> > The following is a jest OK L.E.....Does what Bill wrote make good

> French sense?

> .........bob

> p. s. now try to make nice, I have.(bn)

> > >

>

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