Guest guest Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 Boy you ARE a mess! switch off your TV quick Nisargadatta , " Jeroen " <sphurna wrote: > > Dear all, > > I think this enlightenment and spirituality-business is dangerous and > destructive. It leads us away from and destroys what is of vital > importance to ourselves, that is, nature. > > What I mean is that anything we experience, is an experience of nature > (or the cosmos). In short, all there is, is nature. Nature is not some > external thing. As you are never separate from nature, nature and you > are one: it is impossible to say where a human 'ends' and > nature/cosmos 'begins'. To ignore/destroy nature is to ignore/destroy > humans, to straightjacket nature is to straightjacket yourself, and > vice versa. Nature is one. > > Nature is a (comm)unity and everything that occurs in nature (f.e. a > human being) is a form of that (comm)unity. > > So it's not Shiva, Shakti, (para)Brahma(n), God, Allah, Buddha-nature > or whatever other spiritual, mystical, or transcendental concept/path > that was, is or will be making your day: it all is, has been and will > be nature. Hence there is no high and mighty plain of Detachment, > Happiness and Bliss where the Enlightened dwell: every one of us is > here, in/with nature, as nature. And I assure you, we all suffer > tremendously from the wars that are being waged on nature. > > So instead of searching for ((y)our) Happiness and ((y)our) > Enlightenment, we/you should better start minding and fighting for > what we are and what we were from the very beginning, viz. nature and > her (comm)unity. > > Notice that, I, that is, nature, am being destroyed while you are > searching for Enlightenment. In other words, the search for a Higher > State of Being (Enlightenment, Liberation, Extinction) is one of the > terrors of the contemporary world. We do not need Enlightenment, we > need nature, and we need it now! > > Other terrors that haunt our world are the terrorism of the Higher > Being (cfr. Abrahamic God), the terrorism of the Higher > Community/Leader(s) (cfr. states, kingdoms), and the terrorism of the > Higher Reason (cfr. Western Enlightened Reason). > > The terrorism of the Higher Being (God) turns humans into creatures of > this Being on a mission to spread His Message and Love. This is a very > tough terrorism as it is purely rooted in the belief in this Being, > whose existence can not be proven or disproven. > The terrorism of the Higher Reason (cfr. Western Enlightened Reason) > turns humans into civilised, developed people who (are made to) > believe in the High/Developed value of democratic states, science, > industry,.. with all the political, economic, industrial, > (neo)colonial, social, cultural, ecological consequences thereof. > The terrorism of the Higher Community/Leader(s) (states, kingdoms) > turns people into subjects, civilians or followers who (are made to) > believe that this Higher Community/Leader(s) is more important than > their own natural (comm)unity. > The terrorism of the Higher State of Being (Enlightenment) turns human > beings into seekers of spirituality/enlightenment who (are made to) > believe that (people with) this Higher State of Being is(are) more > important/valuable than (people with) other states of being. > > All these searches for Higher Goals terrorise/straightjacket human > beings. Being ignorant that nature is one, these straightjackets tear > nature into pieces (creatures, civilised/developed people, ..) and > destroy the (comm)unity of nature. > > Let's face it: we are not really creatures, civilised/developed > people, labour-units, subjects, civilians, followers or > spiritual/enlightenment seekers. Let's stop terrorising and > straightjacketing ourselves: we are nature!! > > The goal of nature is not to be holy/divine, civilised, obedient or > enlightened, but to live and enjoy her/our (comm)unity/ies. > > Therefore, we must (learn to) support, conserve and live in/as/with > our natural (comm)unity/ies with love and wisdom, and help stopping > the denial, straightjacketing and destruction of nature/ourself in the > name of some Higher Goal. > > The only energy/power humans need is not nuclear or electromagnetic, > but energy/power that is naturally available. The fusion humans need > is not a nuclear fusion, but a fusion of natural/human energies. > > > I wish us the best of luck! > > > Greetings, > > > Jeroen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " <ericparoissien wrote: > > Boy you ARE a mess! > switch off your TV quick > > Nisargadatta , " Jeroen " <sphurna@> wrote: > > > > Dear all, > > > > I think this enlightenment and spirituality-business is dangerous and > > destructive. It leads us away from and destroys what is of vital > > importance to ourselves, that is, nature. > > > > What I mean is that anything we experience, is an experience of nature > > (or the cosmos). In short, all there is, is nature. Nature is not some > > external thing. As you are never separate from nature, nature and you > > are one: it is impossible to say where a human 'ends' and > > nature/cosmos 'begins'. To ignore/destroy nature is to ignore/destroy > > humans, to straightjacket nature is to straightjacket yourself, and > > vice versa. Nature is one. > > > > Nature is a (comm)unity and everything that occurs in nature (f.e. a > > human being) is a form of that (comm)unity. > > > > So it's not Shiva, Shakti, (para)Brahma(n), God, Allah, Buddha-nature > > or whatever other spiritual, mystical, or transcendental concept/path > > that was, is or will be making your day: it all is, has been and will > > be nature. Hence there is no high and mighty plain of Detachment, > > Happiness and Bliss where the Enlightened dwell: every one of us is > > here, in/with nature, as nature. And I assure you, we all suffer > > tremendously from the wars that are being waged on nature. > > > > So instead of searching for ((y)our) Happiness and ((y)our) > > Enlightenment, we/you should better start minding and fighting for > > what we are and what we were from the very beginning, viz. nature and > > her (comm)unity. > > > > Notice that, I, that is, nature, am being destroyed while you are > > searching for Enlightenment. In other words, the search for a Higher > > State of Being (Enlightenment, Liberation, Extinction) is one of the > > terrors of the contemporary world. We do not need Enlightenment, we > > need nature, and we need it now! > > > > Other terrors that haunt our world are the terrorism of the Higher > > Being (cfr. Abrahamic God), the terrorism of the Higher > > Community/Leader(s) (cfr. states, kingdoms), and the terrorism of the > > Higher Reason (cfr. Western Enlightened Reason). > > > > The terrorism of the Higher Being (God) turns humans into creatures of > > this Being on a mission to spread His Message and Love. This is a very > > tough terrorism as it is purely rooted in the belief in this Being, > > whose existence can not be proven or disproven. > > The terrorism of the Higher Reason (cfr. Western Enlightened Reason) > > turns humans into civilised, developed people who (are made to) > > believe in the High/Developed value of democratic states, science, > > industry,.. with all the political, economic, industrial, > > (neo)colonial, social, cultural, ecological consequences thereof. > > The terrorism of the Higher Community/Leader(s) (states, kingdoms) > > turns people into subjects, civilians or followers who (are made to) > > believe that this Higher Community/Leader(s) is more important than > > their own natural (comm)unity. > > The terrorism of the Higher State of Being (Enlightenment) turns human > > beings into seekers of spirituality/enlightenment who (are made to) > > believe that (people with) this Higher State of Being is(are) more > > important/valuable than (people with) other states of being. > > > > All these searches for Higher Goals terrorise/straightjacket human > > beings. Being ignorant that nature is one, these straightjackets tear > > nature into pieces (creatures, civilised/developed people, ..) and > > destroy the (comm)unity of nature. > > > > Let's face it: we are not really creatures, civilised/developed > > people, labour-units, subjects, civilians, followers or > > spiritual/enlightenment seekers. Let's stop terrorising and > > straightjacketing ourselves: we are nature!! > > > > The goal of nature is not to be holy/divine, civilised, obedient or > > enlightened, but to live and enjoy her/our (comm)unity/ies. > > > > Therefore, we must (learn to) support, conserve and live in/as/with > > our natural (comm)unity/ies with love and wisdom, and help stopping > > the denial, straightjacketing and destruction of nature/ourself in the > > name of some Higher Goal. > > > > The only energy/power humans need is not nuclear or electromagnetic, > > but energy/power that is naturally available. The fusion humans need > > is not a nuclear fusion, but a fusion of natural/human energies. > > > > > > I wish us the best of luck! > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > Jeroen > > > Well....that's the trouble with dreams..........They seem so real don't they? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: .... > > > I wish us the best of luck! > > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > > > > Jeroen > > > > > > > > Well....that's the trouble with dreams..........They seem so real don't they? > > > toombaru > some dreams can be lethal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " <ericparoissien wrote: > > Boy you ARE a mess! Anything is better than being you, that's for sure! Jeroen > switch off your TV quick > > Nisargadatta , " Jeroen " <sphurna@> wrote: > > > > Dear all, > > > > I think this enlightenment and spirituality-business is dangerous and > > destructive. It leads us away from and destroys what is of vital > > importance to ourselves, that is, nature. > > > > What I mean is that anything we experience, is an experience of nature > > (or the cosmos). In short, all there is, is nature. Nature is not some > > external thing. As you are never separate from nature, nature and you > > are one: it is impossible to say where a human 'ends' and > > nature/cosmos 'begins'. To ignore/destroy nature is to ignore/destroy > > humans, to straightjacket nature is to straightjacket yourself, and > > vice versa. Nature is one. > > > > Nature is a (comm)unity and everything that occurs in nature (f.e. a > > human being) is a form of that (comm)unity. > > > > So it's not Shiva, Shakti, (para)Brahma(n), God, Allah, Buddha-nature > > or whatever other spiritual, mystical, or transcendental concept/path > > that was, is or will be making your day: it all is, has been and will > > be nature. Hence there is no high and mighty plain of Detachment, > > Happiness and Bliss where the Enlightened dwell: every one of us is > > here, in/with nature, as nature. And I assure you, we all suffer > > tremendously from the wars that are being waged on nature. > > > > So instead of searching for ((y)our) Happiness and ((y)our) > > Enlightenment, we/you should better start minding and fighting for > > what we are and what we were from the very beginning, viz. nature and > > her (comm)unity. > > > > Notice that, I, that is, nature, am being destroyed while you are > > searching for Enlightenment. In other words, the search for a Higher > > State of Being (Enlightenment, Liberation, Extinction) is one of the > > terrors of the contemporary world. We do not need Enlightenment, we > > need nature, and we need it now! > > > > Other terrors that haunt our world are the terrorism of the Higher > > Being (cfr. Abrahamic God), the terrorism of the Higher > > Community/Leader(s) (cfr. states, kingdoms), and the terrorism of the > > Higher Reason (cfr. Western Enlightened Reason). > > > > The terrorism of the Higher Being (God) turns humans into creatures of > > this Being on a mission to spread His Message and Love. This is a very > > tough terrorism as it is purely rooted in the belief in this Being, > > whose existence can not be proven or disproven. > > The terrorism of the Higher Reason (cfr. Western Enlightened Reason) > > turns humans into civilised, developed people who (are made to) > > believe in the High/Developed value of democratic states, science, > > industry,.. with all the political, economic, industrial, > > (neo)colonial, social, cultural, ecological consequences thereof. > > The terrorism of the Higher Community/Leader(s) (states, kingdoms) > > turns people into subjects, civilians or followers who (are made to) > > believe that this Higher Community/Leader(s) is more important than > > their own natural (comm)unity. > > The terrorism of the Higher State of Being (Enlightenment) turns human > > beings into seekers of spirituality/enlightenment who (are made to) > > believe that (people with) this Higher State of Being is(are) more > > important/valuable than (people with) other states of being. > > > > All these searches for Higher Goals terrorise/straightjacket human > > beings. Being ignorant that nature is one, these straightjackets tear > > nature into pieces (creatures, civilised/developed people, ..) and > > destroy the (comm)unity of nature. > > > > Let's face it: we are not really creatures, civilised/developed > > people, labour-units, subjects, civilians, followers or > > spiritual/enlightenment seekers. Let's stop terrorising and > > straightjacketing ourselves: we are nature!! > > > > The goal of nature is not to be holy/divine, civilised, obedient or > > enlightened, but to live and enjoy her/our (comm)unity/ies. > > > > Therefore, we must (learn to) support, conserve and live in/as/with > > our natural (comm)unity/ies with love and wisdom, and help stopping > > the denial, straightjacketing and destruction of nature/ourself in the > > name of some Higher Goal. > > > > The only energy/power humans need is not nuclear or electromagnetic, > > but energy/power that is naturally available. The fusion humans need > > is not a nuclear fusion, but a fusion of natural/human energies. > > > > > > I wish us the best of luck! > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > Jeroen > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Jeroen " <sphurna wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > Boy you ARE a mess! > > > Anything is better than being you, that's for sure! > > Jeroen ************ K. Now you're getting on my nerves. " Silver " ************ > > > > > > switch off your TV quick > > > > Nisargadatta , " Jeroen " <sphurna@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > I think this enlightenment and spirituality-business is dangerous and > > > destructive. It leads us away from and destroys what is of vital > > > importance to ourselves, that is, nature. > > > > > > What I mean is that anything we experience, is an experience of nature > > > (or the cosmos). In short, all there is, is nature. Nature is not some > > > external thing. As you are never separate from nature, nature and you > > > are one: it is impossible to say where a human 'ends' and > > > nature/cosmos 'begins'. To ignore/destroy nature is to ignore/destroy > > > humans, to straightjacket nature is to straightjacket yourself, and > > > vice versa. Nature is one. > > > > > > Nature is a (comm)unity and everything that occurs in nature (f.e. a > > > human being) is a form of that (comm)unity. > > > > > > So it's not Shiva, Shakti, (para)Brahma(n), God, Allah, Buddha- nature > > > or whatever other spiritual, mystical, or transcendental concept/path > > > that was, is or will be making your day: it all is, has been and will > > > be nature. Hence there is no high and mighty plain of Detachment, > > > Happiness and Bliss where the Enlightened dwell: every one of us is > > > here, in/with nature, as nature. And I assure you, we all suffer > > > tremendously from the wars that are being waged on nature. > > > > > > So instead of searching for ((y)our) Happiness and ((y)our) > > > Enlightenment, we/you should better start minding and fighting for > > > what we are and what we were from the very beginning, viz. nature and > > > her (comm)unity. > > > > > > Notice that, I, that is, nature, am being destroyed while you are > > > searching for Enlightenment. In other words, the search for a Higher > > > State of Being (Enlightenment, Liberation, Extinction) is one of the > > > terrors of the contemporary world. We do not need Enlightenment, we > > > need nature, and we need it now! > > > > > > Other terrors that haunt our world are the terrorism of the Higher > > > Being (cfr. Abrahamic God), the terrorism of the Higher > > > Community/Leader(s) (cfr. states, kingdoms), and the terrorism of the > > > Higher Reason (cfr. Western Enlightened Reason). > > > > > > The terrorism of the Higher Being (God) turns humans into creatures of > > > this Being on a mission to spread His Message and Love. This is a very > > > tough terrorism as it is purely rooted in the belief in this Being, > > > whose existence can not be proven or disproven. > > > The terrorism of the Higher Reason (cfr. Western Enlightened Reason) > > > turns humans into civilised, developed people who (are made to) > > > believe in the High/Developed value of democratic states, science, > > > industry,.. with all the political, economic, industrial, > > > (neo)colonial, social, cultural, ecological consequences thereof. > > > The terrorism of the Higher Community/Leader(s) (states, kingdoms) > > > turns people into subjects, civilians or followers who (are made to) > > > believe that this Higher Community/Leader(s) is more important than > > > their own natural (comm)unity. > > > The terrorism of the Higher State of Being (Enlightenment) turns human > > > beings into seekers of spirituality/enlightenment who (are made to) > > > believe that (people with) this Higher State of Being is(are) more > > > important/valuable than (people with) other states of being. > > > > > > All these searches for Higher Goals terrorise/straightjacket human > > > beings. Being ignorant that nature is one, these straightjackets tear > > > nature into pieces (creatures, civilised/developed people, ..) and > > > destroy the (comm)unity of nature. > > > > > > Let's face it: we are not really creatures, civilised/developed > > > people, labour-units, subjects, civilians, followers or > > > spiritual/enlightenment seekers. Let's stop terrorising and > > > straightjacketing ourselves: we are nature!! > > > > > > The goal of nature is not to be holy/divine, civilised, obedient or > > > enlightened, but to live and enjoy her/our (comm)unity/ies. > > > > > > Therefore, we must (learn to) support, conserve and live in/as/with > > > our natural (comm)unity/ies with love and wisdom, and help stopping > > > the denial, straightjacketing and destruction of nature/ourself in the > > > name of some Higher Goal. > > > > > > The only energy/power humans need is not nuclear or electromagnetic, > > > but energy/power that is naturally available. The fusion humans need > > > is not a nuclear fusion, but a fusion of natural/human energies. > > > > > > > > > I wish us the best of luck! > > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > > > > Jeroen > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver- 1069 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Jeroen " <sphurna@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > > > Boy you ARE a mess! > > > > > > Anything is better than being you, that's for sure! > > > > Jeroen > > ************ > K. Now you're getting on my nerves. > > " Silver " > ************ > > > > > > > > > > > switch off your TV quick > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Jeroen " <sphurna@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > I think this enlightenment and spirituality-business is > dangerous and > > > > destructive. It leads us away from and destroys what is of > vital > > > > importance to ourselves, that is, nature. > > > > > > > > What I mean is that anything we experience, is an experience > of nature > > > > (or the cosmos). In short, all there is, is nature. Nature is > not some > > > > external thing. As you are never separate from nature, nature > and you > > > > are one: it is impossible to say where a human 'ends' and > > > > nature/cosmos 'begins'. To ignore/destroy nature is to > ignore/destroy > > > > humans, to straightjacket nature is to straightjacket > yourself, and > > > > vice versa. Nature is one. > > > > > > > > Nature is a (comm)unity and everything that occurs in nature > (f.e. a > > > > human being) is a form of that (comm)unity. > > > > > > > > So it's not Shiva, Shakti, (para)Brahma(n), God, Allah, Buddha- > nature > > > > or whatever other spiritual, mystical, or transcendental > concept/path > > > > that was, is or will be making your day: it all is, has been > and will > > > > be nature. Hence there is no high and mighty plain of > Detachment, > > > > Happiness and Bliss where the Enlightened dwell: every one of > us is > > > > here, in/with nature, as nature. And I assure you, we all > suffer > > > > tremendously from the wars that are being waged on nature. > > > > > > > > So instead of searching for ((y)our) Happiness and ((y)our) > > > > Enlightenment, we/you should better start minding and fighting > for > > > > what we are and what we were from the very beginning, viz. > nature and > > > > her (comm)unity. > > > > > > > > Notice that, I, that is, nature, am being destroyed while you > are > > > > searching for Enlightenment. In other words, the search for a > Higher > > > > State of Being (Enlightenment, Liberation, Extinction) is one > of the > > > > terrors of the contemporary world. We do not need > Enlightenment, we > > > > need nature, and we need it now! > > > > > > > > Other terrors that haunt our world are the terrorism of the > Higher > > > > Being (cfr. Abrahamic God), the terrorism of the Higher > > > > Community/Leader(s) (cfr. states, kingdoms), and the terrorism > of the > > > > Higher Reason (cfr. Western Enlightened Reason). > > > > > > > > The terrorism of the Higher Being (God) turns humans into > creatures of > > > > this Being on a mission to spread His Message and Love. This > is a very > > > > tough terrorism as it is purely rooted in the belief in this > Being, > > > > whose existence can not be proven or disproven. > > > > The terrorism of the Higher Reason (cfr. Western Enlightened > Reason) > > > > turns humans into civilised, developed people who (are made to) > > > > believe in the High/Developed value of democratic states, > science, > > > > industry,.. with all the political, economic, industrial, > > > > (neo)colonial, social, cultural, ecological consequences > thereof. > > > > The terrorism of the Higher Community/Leader(s) (states, > kingdoms) > > > > turns people into subjects, civilians or followers who (are > made to) > > > > believe that this Higher Community/Leader(s) is more important > than > > > > their own natural (comm)unity. > > > > The terrorism of the Higher State of Being (Enlightenment) > turns human > > > > beings into seekers of spirituality/enlightenment who (are > made to) > > > > believe that (people with) this Higher State of Being is(are) > more > > > > important/valuable than (people with) other states of being. > > > > > > > > All these searches for Higher Goals terrorise/straightjacket > human > > > > beings. Being ignorant that nature is one, these > straightjackets tear > > > > nature into pieces (creatures, civilised/developed people, ..) > and > > > > destroy the (comm)unity of nature. > > > > > > > > Let's face it: we are not really creatures, civilised/developed > > > > people, labour-units, subjects, civilians, followers or > > > > spiritual/enlightenment seekers. Let's stop terrorising and > > > > straightjacketing ourselves: we are nature!! > > > > > > > > The goal of nature is not to be holy/divine, civilised, > obedient or > > > > enlightened, but to live and enjoy her/our (comm)unity/ies. > > > > > > > > Therefore, we must (learn to) support, conserve and live > in/as/with > > > > our natural (comm)unity/ies with love and wisdom, and help > stopping > > > > the denial, straightjacketing and destruction of > nature/ourself in the > > > > name of some Higher Goal. > > > > > > > > The only energy/power humans need is not nuclear or > electromagnetic, > > > > but energy/power that is naturally available. The fusion > humans need > > > > is not a nuclear fusion, but a fusion of natural/human > energies. > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish us the best of luck! > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeroen > > > > > > > > > Good Luck and Good Night Louise......bob > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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