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Boy you ARE a mess!

switch off your TV quick

 

Nisargadatta , " Jeroen " <sphurna wrote:

>

> Dear all,

>

> I think this enlightenment and spirituality-business is dangerous and

> destructive. It leads us away from and destroys what is of vital

> importance to ourselves, that is, nature.

>

> What I mean is that anything we experience, is an experience of nature

> (or the cosmos). In short, all there is, is nature. Nature is not some

> external thing. As you are never separate from nature, nature and you

> are one: it is impossible to say where a human 'ends' and

> nature/cosmos 'begins'. To ignore/destroy nature is to ignore/destroy

> humans, to straightjacket nature is to straightjacket yourself, and

> vice versa. Nature is one.

>

> Nature is a (comm)unity and everything that occurs in nature (f.e. a

> human being) is a form of that (comm)unity.

>

> So it's not Shiva, Shakti, (para)Brahma(n), God, Allah, Buddha-nature

> or whatever other spiritual, mystical, or transcendental concept/path

> that was, is or will be making your day: it all is, has been and will

> be nature. Hence there is no high and mighty plain of Detachment,

> Happiness and Bliss where the Enlightened dwell: every one of us is

> here, in/with nature, as nature. And I assure you, we all suffer

> tremendously from the wars that are being waged on nature.

>

> So instead of searching for ((y)our) Happiness and ((y)our)

> Enlightenment, we/you should better start minding and fighting for

> what we are and what we were from the very beginning, viz. nature and

> her (comm)unity.

>

> Notice that, I, that is, nature, am being destroyed while you are

> searching for Enlightenment. In other words, the search for a Higher

> State of Being (Enlightenment, Liberation, Extinction) is one of the

> terrors of the contemporary world. We do not need Enlightenment, we

> need nature, and we need it now!

>

> Other terrors that haunt our world are the terrorism of the Higher

> Being (cfr. Abrahamic God), the terrorism of the Higher

> Community/Leader(s) (cfr. states, kingdoms), and the terrorism of the

> Higher Reason (cfr. Western Enlightened Reason).

>

> The terrorism of the Higher Being (God) turns humans into creatures of

> this Being on a mission to spread His Message and Love. This is a very

> tough terrorism as it is purely rooted in the belief in this Being,

> whose existence can not be proven or disproven.

> The terrorism of the Higher Reason (cfr. Western Enlightened Reason)

> turns humans into civilised, developed people who (are made to)

> believe in the High/Developed value of democratic states, science,

> industry,.. with all the political, economic, industrial,

> (neo)colonial, social, cultural, ecological consequences thereof.

> The terrorism of the Higher Community/Leader(s) (states, kingdoms)

> turns people into subjects, civilians or followers who (are made to)

> believe that this Higher Community/Leader(s) is more important than

> their own natural (comm)unity.

> The terrorism of the Higher State of Being (Enlightenment) turns human

> beings into seekers of spirituality/enlightenment who (are made to)

> believe that (people with) this Higher State of Being is(are) more

> important/valuable than (people with) other states of being.

>

> All these searches for Higher Goals terrorise/straightjacket human

> beings. Being ignorant that nature is one, these straightjackets tear

> nature into pieces (creatures, civilised/developed people, ..) and

> destroy the (comm)unity of nature.

>

> Let's face it: we are not really creatures, civilised/developed

> people, labour-units, subjects, civilians, followers or

> spiritual/enlightenment seekers. Let's stop terrorising and

> straightjacketing ourselves: we are nature!!

>

> The goal of nature is not to be holy/divine, civilised, obedient or

> enlightened, but to live and enjoy her/our (comm)unity/ies.

>

> Therefore, we must (learn to) support, conserve and live in/as/with

> our natural (comm)unity/ies with love and wisdom, and help stopping

> the denial, straightjacketing and destruction of nature/ourself in the

> name of some Higher Goal.

>

> The only energy/power humans need is not nuclear or electromagnetic,

> but energy/power that is naturally available. The fusion humans need

> is not a nuclear fusion, but a fusion of natural/human energies.

>

>

> I wish us the best of luck!

>

>

> Greetings,

>

>

> Jeroen

>

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Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " <ericparoissien

wrote:

>

> Boy you ARE a mess!

> switch off your TV quick

>

> Nisargadatta , " Jeroen " <sphurna@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear all,

> >

> > I think this enlightenment and spirituality-business is dangerous and

> > destructive. It leads us away from and destroys what is of vital

> > importance to ourselves, that is, nature.

> >

> > What I mean is that anything we experience, is an experience of nature

> > (or the cosmos). In short, all there is, is nature. Nature is not some

> > external thing. As you are never separate from nature, nature and you

> > are one: it is impossible to say where a human 'ends' and

> > nature/cosmos 'begins'. To ignore/destroy nature is to ignore/destroy

> > humans, to straightjacket nature is to straightjacket yourself, and

> > vice versa. Nature is one.

> >

> > Nature is a (comm)unity and everything that occurs in nature (f.e. a

> > human being) is a form of that (comm)unity.

> >

> > So it's not Shiva, Shakti, (para)Brahma(n), God, Allah, Buddha-nature

> > or whatever other spiritual, mystical, or transcendental concept/path

> > that was, is or will be making your day: it all is, has been and will

> > be nature. Hence there is no high and mighty plain of Detachment,

> > Happiness and Bliss where the Enlightened dwell: every one of us is

> > here, in/with nature, as nature. And I assure you, we all suffer

> > tremendously from the wars that are being waged on nature.

> >

> > So instead of searching for ((y)our) Happiness and ((y)our)

> > Enlightenment, we/you should better start minding and fighting for

> > what we are and what we were from the very beginning, viz. nature and

> > her (comm)unity.

> >

> > Notice that, I, that is, nature, am being destroyed while you are

> > searching for Enlightenment. In other words, the search for a Higher

> > State of Being (Enlightenment, Liberation, Extinction) is one of the

> > terrors of the contemporary world. We do not need Enlightenment, we

> > need nature, and we need it now!

> >

> > Other terrors that haunt our world are the terrorism of the Higher

> > Being (cfr. Abrahamic God), the terrorism of the Higher

> > Community/Leader(s) (cfr. states, kingdoms), and the terrorism of the

> > Higher Reason (cfr. Western Enlightened Reason).

> >

> > The terrorism of the Higher Being (God) turns humans into creatures of

> > this Being on a mission to spread His Message and Love. This is a very

> > tough terrorism as it is purely rooted in the belief in this Being,

> > whose existence can not be proven or disproven.

> > The terrorism of the Higher Reason (cfr. Western Enlightened Reason)

> > turns humans into civilised, developed people who (are made to)

> > believe in the High/Developed value of democratic states, science,

> > industry,.. with all the political, economic, industrial,

> > (neo)colonial, social, cultural, ecological consequences thereof.

> > The terrorism of the Higher Community/Leader(s) (states, kingdoms)

> > turns people into subjects, civilians or followers who (are made to)

> > believe that this Higher Community/Leader(s) is more important than

> > their own natural (comm)unity.

> > The terrorism of the Higher State of Being (Enlightenment) turns human

> > beings into seekers of spirituality/enlightenment who (are made to)

> > believe that (people with) this Higher State of Being is(are) more

> > important/valuable than (people with) other states of being.

> >

> > All these searches for Higher Goals terrorise/straightjacket human

> > beings. Being ignorant that nature is one, these straightjackets tear

> > nature into pieces (creatures, civilised/developed people, ..) and

> > destroy the (comm)unity of nature.

> >

> > Let's face it: we are not really creatures, civilised/developed

> > people, labour-units, subjects, civilians, followers or

> > spiritual/enlightenment seekers. Let's stop terrorising and

> > straightjacketing ourselves: we are nature!!

> >

> > The goal of nature is not to be holy/divine, civilised, obedient or

> > enlightened, but to live and enjoy her/our (comm)unity/ies.

> >

> > Therefore, we must (learn to) support, conserve and live in/as/with

> > our natural (comm)unity/ies with love and wisdom, and help stopping

> > the denial, straightjacketing and destruction of nature/ourself in the

> > name of some Higher Goal.

> >

> > The only energy/power humans need is not nuclear or electromagnetic,

> > but energy/power that is naturally available. The fusion humans need

> > is not a nuclear fusion, but a fusion of natural/human energies.

> >

> >

> > I wish us the best of luck!

> >

> >

> > Greetings,

> >

> >

> > Jeroen

> >

>

 

 

Well....that's the trouble with dreams..........They seem so real don't they?

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

 

....

 

> > > I wish us the best of luck!

> > >

> > >

> > > Greetings,

> > >

> > >

> > > Jeroen

> > >

> >

>

>

> Well....that's the trouble with dreams..........They seem so real

don't they?

>

>

> toombaru

>

 

 

some dreams can be lethal

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Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien "

<ericparoissien wrote:

>

> Boy you ARE a mess!

 

 

Anything is better than being you, that's for sure!

 

Jeroen

 

 

 

 

> switch off your TV quick

>

> Nisargadatta , " Jeroen " <sphurna@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear all,

> >

> > I think this enlightenment and spirituality-business is dangerous and

> > destructive. It leads us away from and destroys what is of vital

> > importance to ourselves, that is, nature.

> >

> > What I mean is that anything we experience, is an experience of nature

> > (or the cosmos). In short, all there is, is nature. Nature is not some

> > external thing. As you are never separate from nature, nature and you

> > are one: it is impossible to say where a human 'ends' and

> > nature/cosmos 'begins'. To ignore/destroy nature is to ignore/destroy

> > humans, to straightjacket nature is to straightjacket yourself, and

> > vice versa. Nature is one.

> >

> > Nature is a (comm)unity and everything that occurs in nature (f.e. a

> > human being) is a form of that (comm)unity.

> >

> > So it's not Shiva, Shakti, (para)Brahma(n), God, Allah, Buddha-nature

> > or whatever other spiritual, mystical, or transcendental concept/path

> > that was, is or will be making your day: it all is, has been and will

> > be nature. Hence there is no high and mighty plain of Detachment,

> > Happiness and Bliss where the Enlightened dwell: every one of us is

> > here, in/with nature, as nature. And I assure you, we all suffer

> > tremendously from the wars that are being waged on nature.

> >

> > So instead of searching for ((y)our) Happiness and ((y)our)

> > Enlightenment, we/you should better start minding and fighting for

> > what we are and what we were from the very beginning, viz. nature and

> > her (comm)unity.

> >

> > Notice that, I, that is, nature, am being destroyed while you are

> > searching for Enlightenment. In other words, the search for a Higher

> > State of Being (Enlightenment, Liberation, Extinction) is one of the

> > terrors of the contemporary world. We do not need Enlightenment, we

> > need nature, and we need it now!

> >

> > Other terrors that haunt our world are the terrorism of the Higher

> > Being (cfr. Abrahamic God), the terrorism of the Higher

> > Community/Leader(s) (cfr. states, kingdoms), and the terrorism of the

> > Higher Reason (cfr. Western Enlightened Reason).

> >

> > The terrorism of the Higher Being (God) turns humans into creatures of

> > this Being on a mission to spread His Message and Love. This is a very

> > tough terrorism as it is purely rooted in the belief in this Being,

> > whose existence can not be proven or disproven.

> > The terrorism of the Higher Reason (cfr. Western Enlightened Reason)

> > turns humans into civilised, developed people who (are made to)

> > believe in the High/Developed value of democratic states, science,

> > industry,.. with all the political, economic, industrial,

> > (neo)colonial, social, cultural, ecological consequences thereof.

> > The terrorism of the Higher Community/Leader(s) (states, kingdoms)

> > turns people into subjects, civilians or followers who (are made to)

> > believe that this Higher Community/Leader(s) is more important than

> > their own natural (comm)unity.

> > The terrorism of the Higher State of Being (Enlightenment) turns human

> > beings into seekers of spirituality/enlightenment who (are made to)

> > believe that (people with) this Higher State of Being is(are) more

> > important/valuable than (people with) other states of being.

> >

> > All these searches for Higher Goals terrorise/straightjacket human

> > beings. Being ignorant that nature is one, these straightjackets tear

> > nature into pieces (creatures, civilised/developed people, ..) and

> > destroy the (comm)unity of nature.

> >

> > Let's face it: we are not really creatures, civilised/developed

> > people, labour-units, subjects, civilians, followers or

> > spiritual/enlightenment seekers. Let's stop terrorising and

> > straightjacketing ourselves: we are nature!!

> >

> > The goal of nature is not to be holy/divine, civilised, obedient or

> > enlightened, but to live and enjoy her/our (comm)unity/ies.

> >

> > Therefore, we must (learn to) support, conserve and live in/as/with

> > our natural (comm)unity/ies with love and wisdom, and help stopping

> > the denial, straightjacketing and destruction of nature/ourself in the

> > name of some Higher Goal.

> >

> > The only energy/power humans need is not nuclear or electromagnetic,

> > but energy/power that is naturally available. The fusion humans need

> > is not a nuclear fusion, but a fusion of natural/human energies.

> >

> >

> > I wish us the best of luck!

> >

> >

> > Greetings,

> >

> >

> > Jeroen

> >

>

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Nisargadatta , " Jeroen " <sphurna wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien "

> <ericparoissien@> wrote:

> >

> > Boy you ARE a mess!

>

>

> Anything is better than being you, that's for sure!

>

> Jeroen

 

************

K. Now you're getting on my nerves.

 

" Silver "

************

>

>

>

>

> > switch off your TV quick

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Jeroen " <sphurna@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear all,

> > >

> > > I think this enlightenment and spirituality-business is

dangerous and

> > > destructive. It leads us away from and destroys what is of

vital

> > > importance to ourselves, that is, nature.

> > >

> > > What I mean is that anything we experience, is an experience

of nature

> > > (or the cosmos). In short, all there is, is nature. Nature is

not some

> > > external thing. As you are never separate from nature, nature

and you

> > > are one: it is impossible to say where a human 'ends' and

> > > nature/cosmos 'begins'. To ignore/destroy nature is to

ignore/destroy

> > > humans, to straightjacket nature is to straightjacket

yourself, and

> > > vice versa. Nature is one.

> > >

> > > Nature is a (comm)unity and everything that occurs in nature

(f.e. a

> > > human being) is a form of that (comm)unity.

> > >

> > > So it's not Shiva, Shakti, (para)Brahma(n), God, Allah, Buddha-

nature

> > > or whatever other spiritual, mystical, or transcendental

concept/path

> > > that was, is or will be making your day: it all is, has been

and will

> > > be nature. Hence there is no high and mighty plain of

Detachment,

> > > Happiness and Bliss where the Enlightened dwell: every one of

us is

> > > here, in/with nature, as nature. And I assure you, we all

suffer

> > > tremendously from the wars that are being waged on nature.

> > >

> > > So instead of searching for ((y)our) Happiness and ((y)our)

> > > Enlightenment, we/you should better start minding and fighting

for

> > > what we are and what we were from the very beginning, viz.

nature and

> > > her (comm)unity.

> > >

> > > Notice that, I, that is, nature, am being destroyed while you

are

> > > searching for Enlightenment. In other words, the search for a

Higher

> > > State of Being (Enlightenment, Liberation, Extinction) is one

of the

> > > terrors of the contemporary world. We do not need

Enlightenment, we

> > > need nature, and we need it now!

> > >

> > > Other terrors that haunt our world are the terrorism of the

Higher

> > > Being (cfr. Abrahamic God), the terrorism of the Higher

> > > Community/Leader(s) (cfr. states, kingdoms), and the terrorism

of the

> > > Higher Reason (cfr. Western Enlightened Reason).

> > >

> > > The terrorism of the Higher Being (God) turns humans into

creatures of

> > > this Being on a mission to spread His Message and Love. This

is a very

> > > tough terrorism as it is purely rooted in the belief in this

Being,

> > > whose existence can not be proven or disproven.

> > > The terrorism of the Higher Reason (cfr. Western Enlightened

Reason)

> > > turns humans into civilised, developed people who (are made to)

> > > believe in the High/Developed value of democratic states,

science,

> > > industry,.. with all the political, economic, industrial,

> > > (neo)colonial, social, cultural, ecological consequences

thereof.

> > > The terrorism of the Higher Community/Leader(s) (states,

kingdoms)

> > > turns people into subjects, civilians or followers who (are

made to)

> > > believe that this Higher Community/Leader(s) is more important

than

> > > their own natural (comm)unity.

> > > The terrorism of the Higher State of Being (Enlightenment)

turns human

> > > beings into seekers of spirituality/enlightenment who (are

made to)

> > > believe that (people with) this Higher State of Being is(are)

more

> > > important/valuable than (people with) other states of being.

> > >

> > > All these searches for Higher Goals terrorise/straightjacket

human

> > > beings. Being ignorant that nature is one, these

straightjackets tear

> > > nature into pieces (creatures, civilised/developed people, ..)

and

> > > destroy the (comm)unity of nature.

> > >

> > > Let's face it: we are not really creatures, civilised/developed

> > > people, labour-units, subjects, civilians, followers or

> > > spiritual/enlightenment seekers. Let's stop terrorising and

> > > straightjacketing ourselves: we are nature!!

> > >

> > > The goal of nature is not to be holy/divine, civilised,

obedient or

> > > enlightened, but to live and enjoy her/our (comm)unity/ies.

> > >

> > > Therefore, we must (learn to) support, conserve and live

in/as/with

> > > our natural (comm)unity/ies with love and wisdom, and help

stopping

> > > the denial, straightjacketing and destruction of

nature/ourself in the

> > > name of some Higher Goal.

> > >

> > > The only energy/power humans need is not nuclear or

electromagnetic,

> > > but energy/power that is naturally available. The fusion

humans need

> > > is not a nuclear fusion, but a fusion of natural/human

energies.

> > >

> > >

> > > I wish us the best of luck!

> > >

> > >

> > > Greetings,

> > >

> > >

> > > Jeroen

> > >

> >

>

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Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-

1069 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Jeroen " <sphurna@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien "

> > <ericparoissien@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Boy you ARE a mess!

> >

> >

> > Anything is better than being you, that's for sure!

> >

> > Jeroen

>

> ************

> K. Now you're getting on my nerves.

>

> " Silver "

> ************

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > switch off your TV quick

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Jeroen " <sphurna@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear all,

> > > >

> > > > I think this enlightenment and spirituality-business is

> dangerous and

> > > > destructive. It leads us away from and destroys what is of

> vital

> > > > importance to ourselves, that is, nature.

> > > >

> > > > What I mean is that anything we experience, is an experience

> of nature

> > > > (or the cosmos). In short, all there is, is nature. Nature is

> not some

> > > > external thing. As you are never separate from nature, nature

> and you

> > > > are one: it is impossible to say where a human 'ends' and

> > > > nature/cosmos 'begins'. To ignore/destroy nature is to

> ignore/destroy

> > > > humans, to straightjacket nature is to straightjacket

> yourself, and

> > > > vice versa. Nature is one.

> > > >

> > > > Nature is a (comm)unity and everything that occurs in nature

> (f.e. a

> > > > human being) is a form of that (comm)unity.

> > > >

> > > > So it's not Shiva, Shakti, (para)Brahma(n), God, Allah,

Buddha-

> nature

> > > > or whatever other spiritual, mystical, or transcendental

> concept/path

> > > > that was, is or will be making your day: it all is, has been

> and will

> > > > be nature. Hence there is no high and mighty plain of

> Detachment,

> > > > Happiness and Bliss where the Enlightened dwell: every one of

> us is

> > > > here, in/with nature, as nature. And I assure you, we all

> suffer

> > > > tremendously from the wars that are being waged on nature.

> > > >

> > > > So instead of searching for ((y)our) Happiness and ((y)our)

> > > > Enlightenment, we/you should better start minding and

fighting

> for

> > > > what we are and what we were from the very beginning, viz.

> nature and

> > > > her (comm)unity.

> > > >

> > > > Notice that, I, that is, nature, am being destroyed while you

> are

> > > > searching for Enlightenment. In other words, the search for a

> Higher

> > > > State of Being (Enlightenment, Liberation, Extinction) is one

> of the

> > > > terrors of the contemporary world. We do not need

> Enlightenment, we

> > > > need nature, and we need it now!

> > > >

> > > > Other terrors that haunt our world are the terrorism of the

> Higher

> > > > Being (cfr. Abrahamic God), the terrorism of the Higher

> > > > Community/Leader(s) (cfr. states, kingdoms), and the

terrorism

> of the

> > > > Higher Reason (cfr. Western Enlightened Reason).

> > > >

> > > > The terrorism of the Higher Being (God) turns humans into

> creatures of

> > > > this Being on a mission to spread His Message and Love. This

> is a very

> > > > tough terrorism as it is purely rooted in the belief in this

> Being,

> > > > whose existence can not be proven or disproven.

> > > > The terrorism of the Higher Reason (cfr. Western Enlightened

> Reason)

> > > > turns humans into civilised, developed people who (are made

to)

> > > > believe in the High/Developed value of democratic states,

> science,

> > > > industry,.. with all the political, economic, industrial,

> > > > (neo)colonial, social, cultural, ecological consequences

> thereof.

> > > > The terrorism of the Higher Community/Leader(s) (states,

> kingdoms)

> > > > turns people into subjects, civilians or followers who (are

> made to)

> > > > believe that this Higher Community/Leader(s) is more

important

> than

> > > > their own natural (comm)unity.

> > > > The terrorism of the Higher State of Being (Enlightenment)

> turns human

> > > > beings into seekers of spirituality/enlightenment who (are

> made to)

> > > > believe that (people with) this Higher State of Being is(are)

> more

> > > > important/valuable than (people with) other states of being.

> > > >

> > > > All these searches for Higher Goals terrorise/straightjacket

> human

> > > > beings. Being ignorant that nature is one, these

> straightjackets tear

> > > > nature into pieces (creatures, civilised/developed

people, ..)

> and

> > > > destroy the (comm)unity of nature.

> > > >

> > > > Let's face it: we are not really creatures,

civilised/developed

> > > > people, labour-units, subjects, civilians, followers or

> > > > spiritual/enlightenment seekers. Let's stop terrorising and

> > > > straightjacketing ourselves: we are nature!!

> > > >

> > > > The goal of nature is not to be holy/divine, civilised,

> obedient or

> > > > enlightened, but to live and enjoy her/our (comm)unity/ies.

> > > >

> > > > Therefore, we must (learn to) support, conserve and live

> in/as/with

> > > > our natural (comm)unity/ies with love and wisdom, and help

> stopping

> > > > the denial, straightjacketing and destruction of

> nature/ourself in the

> > > > name of some Higher Goal.

> > > >

> > > > The only energy/power humans need is not nuclear or

> electromagnetic,

> > > > but energy/power that is naturally available. The fusion

> humans need

> > > > is not a nuclear fusion, but a fusion of natural/human

> energies.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I wish us the best of luck!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Greetings,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Jeroen

> > > >

> > >

> > Good Luck and Good Night Louise......bob

>

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