Guest guest Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 On Mar 28, 2006, at 4:32 AM, Jeroen wrote: > Dear all, > > Jero: I think this enlightenment and spirituality-business is > dangerous and > destructive. It leads us away from and destroys what is of vital > importance to ourselves, that is, nature. P: I completely agree with your premise that all is nature, but if that is true, then no thing is excluded, including those things you consider dangerous. It's only because the ' nature' you speak of, is an idealization that you see danger to it in it's own activities. > > J: What I mean is that anything we experience, is an experience of > nature > (or the cosmos). In short, all there is, is nature. Nature is not some > external thing. As you are never separate from nature, nature and you > are one: it is impossible to say where a human 'ends' and > nature/cosmos 'begins'. To ignore/destroy nature is to ignore/destroy > humans, to straightjacket nature is to straightjacket yourself, and > vice versa. Nature is one. P: complete agreement again, but is this and idea with you, or a direct perception? If your skin is not a border, if this is a sensation, a bone deep feeling, then that is the aim of all spirituality, even when most spiritual people don't realize it. > > > J:Notice that, I, that is, nature, am being destroyed while you are > searching for Enlightenment. In other words, the search for a Higher > State of Being (Enlightenment, Liberation, Extinction) is one of the > terrors of the contemporary world. We do not need Enlightenment, we > need nature, and we need it now! P: I can see that your view of nature is not comprehensive enough. You seem to equate nature with an ecosystem friendly to life. Please notice, that life supporting environments are very very rare in nature. Earth and a few similar planets scattered millions of year apart, are an insignificant exception in a Cosmos intensely inhospitable to life. So, if you really want to feel one with nature let's not be too provincial. Nature, is not only life, or even consciousness, and humans are neither the icing, nor the birthday candles in the the Cosmic cake. Best wishes, Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5 wrote: > > > On Mar 28, 2006, at 4:32 AM, Jeroen wrote: > > > Dear all, > > ...... YADA YADA YADA Now Pete: ...... Yes but...YADA YADA YADA Now Jeroen: ...... YADA YADA YADA Now Pete: ...... YOWSA! and/but YADA YADA.. you got it sorta.. Now Jeroen: ...... Yada Yada.. Now Pete: > > > So, if you really want to feel one with nature let's > not be too provincial. Nature, is not only life, or > even consciousness, and humans are neither > the icing, nor the birthday candles in the the > Cosmic cake. > > Best wishes, > > Pete > > And that cake is chocolate flavoured, sort of umber coloured. Easy to procure in the redundant provincial Province of Ontario. As with Nature it is not just life, consciousness or humans.. It's Delissio! And beavers are the constituent matter of the candles....Blow Hard! Happy Norouz......bob > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5@> wrote: > > > > Then ending salutation should have been Happy 'Nowrooz' not Norouz It is the Persian New year and days of festivities.......and delicious Gaz nougats!...bob > > On Mar 28, 2006, at 4:32 AM, Jeroen wrote: > > > > > Dear all, > > > ...... YADA YADA YADA > > Now Pete: > ...... Yes but...YADA YADA YADA > > Now Jeroen: > ...... YADA YADA YADA > > Now Pete: > ...... YOWSA! and/but YADA YADA.. you got it sorta.. > > Now Jeroen: > ...... Yada Yada.. > > Now Pete: > > > > So, if you really want to feel one with nature let's > > not be too provincial. Nature, is not only life, or > > even consciousness, and humans are neither > > the icing, nor the birthday candles in the the > > Cosmic cake. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Pete > > > > And that cake is chocolate flavoured, sort of umber coloured. Easy > to procure in the redundant provincial Province of Ontario. As with > Nature it is not just life, consciousness or humans.. It's Delissio! > And beavers are the constituent matter of the candles....Blow Hard! > > Happy Norouz......bob > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5@> wrote: > > > > > > On Mar 28, 2006, at 4:32 AM, Jeroen wrote: > > > > > Dear all, > > > ...... YADA YADA YADA > > Now Pete: > ...... Yes but...YADA YADA YADA > > Now Jeroen: > ...... YADA YADA YADA > > Now Pete: > ...... YOWSA! and/but YADA YADA.. you got it sorta.. > > Now Jeroen: > ...... Yada Yada.. Earth calling Bob! Earth calling Bob! No response? OK then, bye bye Bob! > > Now Pete: > > > > So, if you really want to feel one with nature let's > > not be too provincial. Nature, is not only life, or > > even consciousness, and humans are neither > > the icing, nor the birthday candles in the the > > Cosmic cake. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Pete > > > > And that cake is chocolate flavoured, sort of umber coloured. Easy > to procure in the redundant provincial Province of Ontario. As with > Nature it is not just life, consciousness or humans.. It's Delissio! > And beavers are the constituent matter of the candles....Blow Hard! > > Happy Norouz......bob > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Jeroen " <sphurna wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Bob N. " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , Pete S <pedsie5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Mar 28, 2006, at 4:32 AM, Jeroen wrote: > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > ...... YADA YADA YADA > > > > Now Pete: > > ...... Yes but...YADA YADA YADA > > > > Now Jeroen: > > ...... YADA YADA YADA > > > > Now Pete: > > ...... YOWSA! and/but YADA YADA.. you got it sorta.. > > > > Now Jeroen: > > ...... Yada Yada.. > > > > Earth calling Bob! Earth calling Bob! > > No response? > > OK then, bye bye Bob! > > I hope you're serious with your goodbye Jerome..whoops.. Jeroen. and thanks for the non-memories too. Love and Kisses......bob > > > > > > > > Now Pete: > > > > > So, if you really want to feel one with nature let's > > > not be too provincial. Nature, is not only life, or > > > even consciousness, and humans are neither > > > the icing, nor the birthday candles in the the > > > Cosmic cake. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > And that cake is chocolate flavoured, sort of umber coloured. Easy > > to procure in the redundant provincial Province of Ontario. As with > > Nature it is not just life, consciousness or humans.. It's Delissio! > > And beavers are the constituent matter of the candles....Blow Hard! > > > > Happy Norouz......bob > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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